Mid-season Trades in Hindsight

[DusterBuster]

Curious to everyones thoughts on the trades from Feb now that we're starting to seem them essentially be "complete". The big storyline we heard mid-season is that all these deadline deals were incomplete and couldn't fully be graded until the draft / summer.

Well, whatever truth there is in that is now being fulfilled. One of the two trades is essentially "complete", that being the CJ trade. The end result of that trade now stands as:

CJ
Nance
Snell

for

Grant
Hart
Ingles*

*if he resigns in Portland, I'm assuming he does as there seems to be mutual interest... but that one's iffy.

What's the thought on that return for CJ? I think Grant and Hart are two pretty high-level players who definitely fit better than CJ did if you're trying to retool as a defensive athletic team around Dame. Snell is a marvel that he's still collecting an NBA paycheck, so throw him in, why not... but I still think Cronin made a mistake throwing in Nance as I think that probably helped give the Pelicans a little bit of a play-in boost to just get them over the edge.

My grade, this was a weird one, in it's original form, had the potential for a B+ right after the deal, dropped to like a C- after the pick didn't convert, now it's a solid B I think for me.

[elias808]

CJ, Nance, and Snell for Hart, Grant, and Ingles is a rock solid A trade for me. Admittedly, I've been a big fan of Hart since his college days and felt he hasn't been given a fair shake thus far in his career (playing out of position). I would have preferred Collins (again, a player I like more than most) over Grant, but for the price...I'll take it.

Cronin really saved his skin with this trade, in my book. For months I figured we were looking down the barrel of Olshay 2.0. Keep the 7 pick is absolutely huge for this franchise as far as getting pieces for the "win now" while not destroying our future.

All that being said, the job isn't done. We still painfully lack true two way wing players. OG is easily top of the list of who I would push for, although I don't see that happening. Taking Dyson @7 is my preference if we keep the pick. But I think the sweet spot is somewhere between the two.

I'm now more open to the potential 7 for Dort and 12 idea in conjunction with a S&T Ant to somewhere else. Where that somewhere else is? Im not sure. Ideally make something happen to get Miles B. A Ball/Ant backcourt would be pretty GD good.

Dame
Hart
Miles
Grant
Nurk

Dort/Little/Ingles/12

[Dame Lizard]

CJ, Nance, and Snell for Hart, Grant, and Ingles is a rock solid A trade for me. Admittedly, I've been a big fan of Hart since his college days and felt he hasn't been given a fair shake thus far in his career (playing out of position). I would have preferred Collins (again, a player I like more than most) over Grant, but for the price...I'll take it.

Cronin really saved his skin with this trade, in my book. For months I figured we were looking down the barrel of Olshay 2.0. Keep the 7 pick is absolutely huge for this franchise as far as getting pieces for the "win now" while not destroying our future.

All that being said, the job isn't done. We still painfully lack true two way wing players. OG is easily top of the list of who I would push for, although I don't see that happening. Taking Dyson @7 is my preference if we keep the pick. But I think the sweet spot is somewhere between the two.

I'm now more open to the potential 7 for Dort and 12 idea in conjunction with a S&T Ant to somewhere else. Where that somewhere else is? Im not sure. Ideally make something happen to get Miles B. A Ball/Ant backcourt would be pretty GD good.

Dame
Hart
Miles
Grant
Nurk

Dort/Little/Ingles/12

For me trading #7 for Dort + #12 would un-do the good that the Grant trade has provided.

Dort is definitely not worth trading down from #7 to #12 imo. Offensively he is not good, and he's expiring.

A Shaedon Sharpe or Dyson Daniels is worth a lot more than a Sochan or Eason imo. I really like Eason at #12, but I've cooled on him a little bit compared to where I was at a month ago.

[elias808]

CJ, Nance, and Snell for Hart, Grant, and Ingles is a rock solid A trade for me. Admittedly, I've been a big fan of Hart since his college days and felt he hasn't been given a fair shake thus far in his career (playing out of position). I would have preferred Collins (again, a player I like more than most) over Grant, but for the price...I'll take it.

Cronin really saved his skin with this trade, in my book. For months I figured we were looking down the barrel of Olshay 2.0. Keep the 7 pick is absolutely huge for this franchise as far as getting pieces for the "win now" while not destroying our future.

All that being said, the job isn't done. We still painfully lack true two way wing players. OG is easily top of the list of who I would push for, although I don't see that happening. Taking Dyson @7 is my preference if we keep the pick. But I think the sweet spot is somewhere between the two.

I'm now more open to the potential 7 for Dort and 12 idea in conjunction with a S&T Ant to somewhere else. Where that somewhere else is? Im not sure. Ideally make something happen to get Miles B. A Ball/Ant backcourt would be pretty GD good.

Dame
Hart
Miles
Grant
Nurk

Dort/Little/Ingles/12

For me trading #7 for Dort + #12 would un-do the good that the Grant trade has provided.

Dort is definitely not worth trading down from #7 to #12 imo. Offensively he is not good, and he's expiring.

A Shaedon Sharpe or Dyson Daniels is worth a lot more than a Sochan or Eason imo. I really like Eason at #12, but I've cooled on him a little bit compared to where I was at a month ago.

While I am a big fan of Dyson and Sharpe, I do think Dort is absolutely worth trading down five picks, and here is why;

1. The Thunder put up a ton of threes and we're awful at it. Dort attempted 14.2 fg per game with 7.7 from 3 @ a 33% clip. In no world should he be putting up that many threes. He is an effective two point shooter at 49%.

So let's try and find a recent parallel; Josh Hart.

2. Hart, while with NOP last year, shot 50% on 9.5 shots per game with 3.2 of those coming from distance. Once getting traded to the Blazers, Hart got up 4.5 more shots per game with 3 of those coming from distance. During said time he upped his three point percentage from 32% (1 made over 3.2 shots per game) to 37% (2.4 made over 6.4 shots per game). He managed to increase his PPG by around 6 while maintaining his overall effectiveness.

Why does this matter?

Dort has been stuck on a god awful team that can't hit a three to save their life, all the whole being asked to shoot more shots from there. The modern NBA is all about space and "gravity". I fully believe buying Dort at the cost of 5 draft slots is a HUGE win. Compound that with the potential of a healthy Dame, creating even more "gravity", Dort is a huge buy low prospect.

And I didn't even talk about his on ball defense. Just look up some. YouTube videos of him shutting down Harden or Mitchell.

[PDXKnight]

Not a bad deal indeed. But I tend to agree with the aforementioned post dealing 7 for Dort and 12 would be lame. I'd be happier if we got og or Collins with the pick

[Dame Lizard]

CJ, Nance, and Snell for Hart, Grant, and Ingles is a rock solid A trade for me. Admittedly, I've been a big fan of Hart since his college days and felt he hasn't been given a fair shake thus far in his career (playing out of position). I would have preferred Collins (again, a player I like more than most) over Grant, but for the price...I'll take it.

Cronin really saved his skin with this trade, in my book. For months I figured we were looking down the barrel of Olshay 2.0. Keep the 7 pick is absolutely huge for this franchise as far as getting pieces for the "win now" while not destroying our future.

All that being said, the job isn't done. We still painfully lack true two way wing players. OG is easily top of the list of who I would push for, although I don't see that happening. Taking Dyson @7 is my preference if we keep the pick. But I think the sweet spot is somewhere between the two.

I'm now more open to the potential 7 for Dort and 12 idea in conjunction with a S&T Ant to somewhere else. Where that somewhere else is? Im not sure. Ideally make something happen to get Miles B. A Ball/Ant backcourt would be pretty GD good.

Dame
Hart
Miles
Grant
Nurk

Dort/Little/Ingles/12

For me trading #7 for Dort + #12 would un-do the good that the Grant trade has provided.

Dort is definitely not worth trading down from #7 to #12 imo. Offensively he is not good, and he's expiring.

A Shaedon Sharpe or Dyson Daniels is worth a lot more than a Sochan or Eason imo. I really like Eason at #12, but I've cooled on him a little bit compared to where I was at a month ago.

While I am a big fan of Dyson and Sharpe, I do think Dort is absolutely worth trading down five picks, and here is why;

1. The Thunder put up a ton of threes and we're awful at it. Dort attempted 14.2 fg per game with 7.7 from 3 @ a 33% clip. In no world should he be putting up that many threes. He is an effective two point shooter at 49%.

So let's try and find a recent parallel; Josh Hart.

2. Hart, while with NOP last year, shot 50% on 9.5 shots per game with 3.2 of those coming from distance. Once getting traded to the Blazers, Hart got up 4.5 more shots per game with 3 of those coming from distance. During said time he upped his three point percentage from 32% (1 made over 3.2 shots per game) to 37% (2.4 made over 6.4 shots per game). He managed to increase his PPG by around 6 while maintaining his overall effectiveness.

Why does this matter?

Dort has been stuck on a god awful team that can't hit a three to save their life, all the whole being asked to shoot more shots from there. The modern NBA is all about space and "gravity". I fully believe buying Dort at the cost of 5 draft slots is a HUGE win. Compound that with the potential of a healthy Dame, creating even more "gravity", Dort is a huge buy low prospect.

And I didn't even talk about his on ball defense. Just look up some. YouTube videos of him shutting down Harden or Mitchell.

He's expiring though! What happens after this season when Portland has to pay market value for him?

If you want defense, would you give up Dyson Daniels (who most certainly won't be available at #12) on a four year rookie deal to get one year of a cheap Dort?

In my view, the Draft drops off after:

Smith
Chet
Paolo
Ivey
Murray
Sharpe / Dyson / Mathurin.

I'd rather not drop a tier down to get Dort for 12 months before he's available in free agency.

[elias808]

For me trading #7 for Dort + #12 would un-do the good that the Grant trade has provided.

Dort is definitely not worth trading down from #7 to #12 imo. Offensively he is not good, and he's expiring.

A Shaedon Sharpe or Dyson Daniels is worth a lot more than a Sochan or Eason imo. I really like Eason at #12, but I've cooled on him a little bit compared to where I was at a month ago.

While I am a big fan of Dyson and Sharpe, I do think Dort is absolutely worth trading down five picks, and here is why;

1. The Thunder put up a ton of threes and we're awful at it. Dort attempted 14.2 fg per game with 7.7 from 3 @ a 33% clip. In no world should he be putting up that many threes. He is an effective two point shooter at 49%.

So let's try and find a recent parallel; Josh Hart.

2. Hart, while with NOP last year, shot 50% on 9.5 shots per game with 3.2 of those coming from distance. Once getting traded to the Blazers, Hart got up 4.5 more shots per game with 3 of those coming from distance. During said time he upped his three point percentage from 32% (1 made over 3.2 shots per game) to 37% (2.4 made over 6.4 shots per game). He managed to increase his PPG by around 6 while maintaining his overall effectiveness.

Why does this matter?

Dort has been stuck on a god awful team that can't hit a three to save their life, all the whole being asked to shoot more shots from there. The modern NBA is all about space and "gravity". I fully believe buying Dort at the cost of 5 draft slots is a HUGE win. Compound that with the potential of a healthy Dame, creating even more "gravity", Dort is a huge buy low prospect.

And I didn't even talk about his on ball defense. Just look up some. YouTube videos of him shutting down Harden or Mitchell.

He's expiring though! What happens after this season when Portland has to pay market value for him?

If you want defense, would you give up Dyson Daniels (who most certainly won't be available at #12) on a four year rookie deal to get one year of a cheap Dort?

In my view, the Draft drops off after:

Smith
Chet
Paolo
Ivey
Murray
Sharpe / Dyson / Mathurin.

I'd rather not drop a tier down to get Dort for 12 months before he's available in free agency.

Very understandable and wouldn't at all be mad with that. I'm a HUGE Dyson fan as well. The difference being on our big board, I'm assuming. I have Eason and even more so Jalen Williams high. Truth be told, Jalen is 4th on my big board. He is Middleton to me 1000%.0

[Pattycakes]

Blazers set themselves up well to be the team to absorb salaries other teams are concerned about paying out. Finally feels like we have the ball on our court again.