Would Porzingas-Kuzma make Portland a contender? Does Portland have the assets to get them? Would Washington take Simons-Nurkic-Hart for Porzingas-Kuzma-Advija?
Washington has a lot of forwards (Kuzma-Kispert-Advija-Rui-Gafford-Taj) and no real impactful guards other than an often injured Beal.
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Blazers would be a much bigger team and versatile with bigger athletic players that are switchable.
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Porzingas has historically missed a ton of games each season while Kuzma is just another offensive minded
forward and you're trading the only two players in the rotation who consistently rebound
forward and you're trading the only two players in the rotation who consistently rebound
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There is a reason every team Porzingas has played for Santa to get rid of him. No thanks.
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If this is available I believe you need to make this trade happen. 2 productive and versatile players and a young player in Deni who can play multiple positions. You get 3 guys over 6’9 and one of them is 7’3 and the Blazers lack size. You get more points and rebounds from KP-Kuzma-Deni than Nurk-Ant-Hart.
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The biggest problem is Porzingis is such an injury risk. If he has had a clean bill of health throughout his career, I’d be more on board.
Another issue is we are giving up value to get Kuzma, who would back up Grant, and is therefore likely a rental. Neither him nor Grant thrive outside of the PF position. So given Kuzma is capable of 20+ppg and is put on our bench, I think he opts out of his $13M and takes a pay raise and role raise elsewhere (unless it sadly is Grant who leaves in free agency instead).
And finally, are you planning a full time Dame/Sharpe/Payton rotation with spot minutes for Keon? You are trading away 2 SGs (though Hart often plays out of position at SF) and not getting one back.
At minimum, I think you take the Hart/Kuzma swap out. It keeps the guard rotation stronger than in your trade, ups the SF position by adding Deni (Hart now more evenly splits time between starting SG and backup SF), we don’t waste Kuzma on the bench and lose him in the summer, then we take a chance at Porzingis. I’m still not sure I say yes to this, but maybe I take the chance given how mediocre the team currently appears to be. I’d probably want additional value, like a protected 1st, but Wizards wouldn’t because why add a volume scoring SG in Simons when they still have Beal?
Dame/Payton/Keon
Hart/Sharpe/Payton/Keon
Deni/Hart/Little
Grant/Little/Winslow
Porzingis/Eubanks
Another issue is we are giving up value to get Kuzma, who would back up Grant, and is therefore likely a rental. Neither him nor Grant thrive outside of the PF position. So given Kuzma is capable of 20+ppg and is put on our bench, I think he opts out of his $13M and takes a pay raise and role raise elsewhere (unless it sadly is Grant who leaves in free agency instead).
And finally, are you planning a full time Dame/Sharpe/Payton rotation with spot minutes for Keon? You are trading away 2 SGs (though Hart often plays out of position at SF) and not getting one back.
At minimum, I think you take the Hart/Kuzma swap out. It keeps the guard rotation stronger than in your trade, ups the SF position by adding Deni (Hart now more evenly splits time between starting SG and backup SF), we don’t waste Kuzma on the bench and lose him in the summer, then we take a chance at Porzingis. I’m still not sure I say yes to this, but maybe I take the chance given how mediocre the team currently appears to be. I’d probably want additional value, like a protected 1st, but Wizards wouldn’t because why add a volume scoring SG in Simons when they still have Beal?
Dame/Payton/Keon
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Deni/Hart/Little
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I prefer to keep Kuzma over Hart. Kuzma brings size, versatility, shooting and scoring. Also I’d also look to trade
Dame.
PG: Deni
SG: Sharpe
SF: Kuzma
PF: Grant
C: Porzingas
What team gives Portland the most return for Dame?
Dame.
PG: Deni
SG: Sharpe
SF: Kuzma
PF: Grant
C: Porzingas
What team gives Portland the most return for Dame?
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We are not trading for an injury riddled big man in Porzingis, I also don't think Kuzma adds much to this team. He might be slightly taller than our current SF's but that is not as huge of a deal, he also seems to be a bit underwhelming on defense from what I have seen.
Blazers have the worst luck in the world with big men and injuries the last thing we need is one that has already had a laundry list of injuries.
Blazers have the worst luck in the world with big men and injuries the last thing we need is one that has already had a laundry list of injuries.
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Yawn
Not a fan of Porzingas or Kuzma and dont know who Deni is.
Not a fan of Porzingas or Kuzma and dont know who Deni is.
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Blazers20 wrote:I prefer to keep Kuzma over Hart. Kuzma brings size, versatility, shooting and scoring. Also I’d also look to trade
Dame.
PG: Deni
SG: Sharpe
SF: Kuzma
PF: Grant
C: Porzingas
What team gives Portland the most return for Dame?
If we are trading Dame away I want to suck for a few years, I would love to just throw out the 24 and under crowd and then see how they do. Getting a nice top 3 pick could add a lot to the young talent we already have accrued. ****, Sharpe, Simons, and Grant are already a pretty damn decent rebuild already.
In this scenario we might trade Grant also but he would be the one guy over 25 I might hold onto.
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What would we look like is we gave Jabari the Vonleh treatment?
Dame
Ant
Grant
Walker
Nurkic
2nd unit
Ant
Hart
Sharpe
Watford
Eubanks
That leaves
Keon
Gp2
Winslow
Little
as our deep bench
Maybe a consolidation deal that improve the 2nd unit makes sense
Maybe
Hart
Keon
Brown
2nd round pick
For
Rui
Deni
Gibson
???
Then it's
Dame
Ant
Grant
Walker
Nurkic
2nd unit
Deni
Ant
Sharpe
Rui
Eubanks
I would see if GP2 and Eubanks can get us that backup Center we need like Wiseman
Deni
Ant
Sharpe
Rui
Wiseman off the bench?
That's a freaky big athletic team. More balanced too.
Dame
Ant
Grant
Walker
Nurkic
2nd unit
Ant
Hart
Sharpe
Watford
Eubanks
That leaves
Keon
Gp2
Winslow
Little
as our deep bench
Maybe a consolidation deal that improve the 2nd unit makes sense
Maybe
Hart
Keon
Brown
2nd round pick
For
Rui
Deni
Gibson
???
Then it's
Dame
Ant
Grant
Walker
Nurkic
2nd unit
Deni
Ant
Sharpe
Rui
Eubanks
I would see if GP2 and Eubanks can get us that backup Center we need like Wiseman
Deni
Ant
Sharpe
Rui
Wiseman off the bench?
That's a freaky big athletic team. More balanced too.
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What about:
WAS: Ant-Nurk
ATL: Hart-D.Robinson
MIA: GP2-Winslow-Keon
POR: KP-Deni-Collins-Jovic
1: Dame
2: Deni-Sharpe
3: Grant-Jovic
4: Collins-Walker
5: KP-Drew
WAS: Ant-Nurk
ATL: Hart-D.Robinson
MIA: GP2-Winslow-Keon
POR: KP-Deni-Collins-Jovic
1: Dame
2: Deni-Sharpe
3: Grant-Jovic
4: Collins-Walker
5: KP-Drew
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