Welcome to Portland Timelord (aka Robert Williams)!

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Welcome to Portland Robert Williams! Exciting young big man who was loved in Boston. I believe he adds something to the Blazers that we have needed for a long time. Here is some stuff from the Boston board:

I hate that I have to qualify this but I do, when rob is right, aka feeling good and healthy; he’s one of the best lob threats and vertical spacers in the nba. Will dunk everything. Great offensive rebounder. Has shown range up to 15 foot but almost never takes those. Has been working on his short roll finishing, aka 10 foot touch but we haven’t seen it much. Consider him a rim presence only until you see different. Needs to be more aggressive, unselfish to a fault but good passer for a big. Will find people on cuts, somewhat over ambitious on his passes. Can play next to a stretch big but idk if Ayton qualifies.

Defensively he’s one of the better help defenders in the league. Tremendous shot blocker. Good in drop, can switch decently but not amazing. Gets overpowered by the bigger/stronger dudes. Consistency is tied to health which isn’t consistent but when he plays he’s high energy and hungry. Tremendous locker room presence. Big goofy dude. Beloved.

The full Timelord experience in 3 and a half minutes:

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Marcus Smart is my favorite player so this isn't me hating on him at all but Robert Williams got robbed of the DPOY in 2022. Here's a great breakdown of how he turned the Celtics defense around midway through that season:

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If only he could stay healthy.

[Pattycakes]

Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

[JasonStern]

Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

No. We are still 2-3 years out at least. But if the players live up to their potential and we do well in the draft, this team could be really good for an extended period of time.

[zzaj]

Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

No. We are still 2-3 years out at least. But if the players live up to their potential and we do well in the draft, this team could be really good for an extended period of time.

The thing that makes all of this so great? Mike S. helming the draft...

[Blazinaway]

Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

No. We are still 2-3 years out at least. But if the players live up to their potential and we do well in the draft, this team could be really good for an extended period of time.

The thing that makes all of this so great? Mike S. helming the draft...

agree, I keep thinking about the GS pick this season that old team in on a razor's edge

[Whole Truth]

I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

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I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

If he is healthy he helps win games, something good for developing young players.
If he gets hurt we get better draft position naturally.
I think we are good keeping the Timelord.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Giving it until January/February before this board starts calling for Williams to start over Ayton. It won’t happen because of that contract, but Rob checks off all the boxes for what this team needs. Shotblocking, rebounding, rim-running, and he’ll do it without whining about touches. Your organization got yourselves a good dude.

[Whole Truth]

Giving it until January/February before this board starts calling for Williams to start over Ayton. It won’t happen because of that contract, but Rob checks off all the boxes for what this team needs. Shotblocking, rebounding, rim-running, and he’ll do it without whining about touches. Your organization got yourselves a good dude.

Agree with most of your post except Williams doesn't check all the boxes because he can't space the floor. Ayton is atleast an offensive valve that Scoot can throw it into the block for a post possession. Williams is a defensive rim runner. The biggest knock on Scoot is he has limited range & is somewhat undersized to be running into a clogged lane all game. Portland in general doesn't have much in terns of effective floor spacers like Boston had.. Less than 2 with Williams & Scoot on court at the same time I'd assume will be problematic for Portland & the young guard.

[Blazinaway]

I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

[Whole Truth]

I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

Herb is NO's defensive backbone. Main reason NO's was a top 5 defensive team with him playing along side 4 non defensive players in Jonas/Zion/BI & CJ. He's not up for trade.

I was thinking Kira, Hawkins this yrs #14 pick & a FRP.

I'd also consider Kira, Daniels without a FRP but doubt NO's FO would. Maybe (Kira Daniels) for (Williams, FRP) might get them to consider.

Kira is a fast young guard with potential but buried behind CJ/Alvarado & Daniels. He needs a change of scenery & playing time.
Hawkins was this yrs mid draft pick, has 3pt gravity
& if necessary a FRP to bridge any potential value gap

[Blazinaway]

I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Gotta give to het and POR has absolutely no sense of urgency, so whoever gives us want we want within reason then we'd likely trade Timelord, could be this year or next, we'll see come trade deadline or sooner if there are injuries and some desperate teams out there, like Celts desperate to keep up with Bucks

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

Herb is NO's defensive backbone. Main reason NO's was a top 5 defensive team with him playing along side 4 non defensive players in Jonas/Zion/BI & CJ. He's not up for trade.

I was thinking Kira, Hawkins this yrs #14 pick & a FRP.

I'd also consider Kira, Daniels without a FRP but doubt NO's FO would. Maybe (Kira Daniels) for (Williams, FRP) might get them to consider.

Kira is a fast young guard with potential but buried behind CJ/Alvarado & Daniels. He needs a change of scenery & playing time.
Hawkins was this yrs mid draft pick, has 3pt gravity
& if necessary a FRP to bridge any potential value gap

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I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

Herb is NO's defensive backbone. Main reason NO's was a top 5 defensive team with him playing along side 4 non defensive players in Jonas/Zion/BI & CJ. He's not up for trade.

I was thinking Kira, Hawkins this yrs #14 pick & a FRP.

I'd also consider Kira, Daniels without a FRP but doubt NO's FO would. Maybe (Kira Daniels) for (Williams, FRP) might get them to consider.

Kira is a fast young guard with potential but buried behind CJ/Alvarado & Daniels. He needs a change of scenery & playing time.
Hawkins was this yrs mid draft pick, has 3pt gravity
& if necessary a FRP to bridge any potential value gap

No deal, we are find keeping who we have and letting things play out.

[Norm2953]

I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

I think Portland would ask NO for Dyson Daniels in a trade for Williams

[Upperclass]

One of the most underappreciated players in basketball.. I dont think he'll play well on a team that's figuring itself out and will likely get moved before Jan. Could see the Warriors offering CP3 in a 3way or a buyout, Kuminga (who will never fit in golden st) a first and maybe their recent first-rounder Podz. For Rob and Brogdon.

[Whole Truth]

I think Portland would ask NO for Dyson Daniels in a trade for Williams

IMO Herb & Danieks are comparable players. Both have DPOY potential. Daniels is a better rebounder & has more potential offensive upside than Herb. However, I think Herb has a better overall BBIQ & feel for the game. Having said that, Daniels is obviously younger & can improve.

NO's set to contend, I think it's a risk potentially worth taking but Williams injury risk would have to come with some kind of value compensation for Daniels young upside & better fit with Portland.

Seeing how NO's front office are also high on Daniels upside -


NO's trade - (Kira, Daniels) for (Williams, GS 24 & 1 of the Bicks swap picks)

That's a deal I would consider. The following is what I think NO's front office would come with.

NO's trade - (Kira Hawkins, pick compensation) for (Williams)

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I was kind of hoping this could be a welcome thread for Robert Williams. Not a thread for fans of other teams to explain why we should be sending out our new talent to their home team. Maybe someone could make a separate thread for that?

[Upperclass]

A welcome thread can encompass all aspects related to the player. The reality is, Portland is a rebuilding team that doesn't have alot of use for a backup center that can't play PF, at 12mil/year when their starting center is at 33/year.. With as aggressive as the new front office is, he's likely being moved this season before any value drops from injury or performance.

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A welcome thread can encompass all aspects related to the player. The reality is, Portland is a rebuilding team that doesn't have alot of use for a backup center that can't play PF, at 12mil/year when their starting center is at 33/year.. With as aggressive as the new front office is, he's likely being moved this season before any value drops from injury or performance.

Robert Williams is the kind of player we have needed for a long time. The NBA is not like playing NBA2k, we really do need veterans to teach the young guys what it is like to be a part of a winning culture. Robert Williams will provide defense and hopefully a winning mindset in both practice and games. I am happy to have him as a part of the team and would be very disappointed if he got traded. If you or anyone else would like to provide trade ideas that no NBA front office will see or care about please feel free to use the "Thread for fans of other teams to tell us why Timelord (aka Robert Williams) should be traded to them" thread.

[PDXKnight]

Boston fans hated to lose Williams. That's a good sign