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steefP2 wrote:I hate that I have to qualify this but I do, when rob is right, aka feeling good and healthy; he’s one of the best lob threats and vertical spacers in the nba. Will dunk everything. Great offensive rebounder. Has shown range up to 15 foot but almost never takes those. Has been working on his short roll finishing, aka 10 foot touch but we haven’t seen it much. Consider him a rim presence only until you see different. Needs to be more aggressive, unselfish to a fault but good passer for a big. Will find people on cuts, somewhat over ambitious on his passes. Can play next to a stretch big but idk if Ayton qualifies.

Defensively he’s one of the better help defenders in the league. Tremendous shot blocker. Good in drop, can switch decently but not amazing. Gets overpowered by the bigger/stronger dudes. Consistency is tied to health which isn’t consistent but when he plays he’s high energy and hungry. Tremendous locker room presence. Big goofy dude. Beloved.

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:The full Timelord experience in 3 and a half minutes:

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Marcus Smart is my favorite player so this isn't me hating on him at all but Robert Williams got robbed of the DPOY in 2022. Here's a great breakdown of how he turned the Celtics defense around midway through that season:

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If only he could stay healthy.

Pattycakes wrote:Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

JasonStern wrote:

Pattycakes wrote:Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

No. We are still 2-3 years out at least. But if the players live up to their potential and we do well in the draft, this team could be really good for an extended period of time.

zzaj wrote:

JasonStern wrote:

Pattycakes wrote:Blazers suddenly looking better than last years squad even without Dame. Yeah I said it

No. We are still 2-3 years out at least. But if the players live up to their potential and we do well in the draft, this team could be really good for an extended period of time.

The thing that makes all of this so great? Mike S. helming the draft...

Whole Truth wrote:I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Giving it until January/February before this board starts calling for Williams to start over Ayton. It won’t happen because of that contract, but Rob checks off all the boxes for what this team needs. Shotblocking, rebounding, rim-running, and he’ll do it without whining about touches. Your organization got yourselves a good dude.

Whole Truth wrote:I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

Blazinaway wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

Whole Truth wrote:

Blazinaway wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Gotta give to het and POR has absolutely no sense of urgency, so whoever gives us want we want within reason then we'd likely trade Timelord, could be this year or next, we'll see come trade deadline or sooner if there are injuries and some desperate teams out there, like Celts desperate to keep up with Bucks

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

Herb is NO's defensive backbone. Main reason NO's was a top 5 defensive team with him playing along side 4 non defensive players in Jonas/Zion/BI & CJ. He's not up for trade.

I was thinking Kira, Hawkins this yrs #14 pick & a FRP.

I'd also consider Kira, Daniels without a FRP but doubt NO's FO would. Maybe (Kira Daniels) for (Williams, FRP) might get them to consider.

Kira is a fast young guard with potential but buried behind CJ/Alvarado & Daniels. He needs a change of scenery & playing time.
Hawkins was this yrs mid draft pick, has 3pt gravity
& if necessary a FRP to bridge any potential value gap

Whole Truth wrote:

Blazinaway wrote:

Whole Truth wrote:I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

sure we'd trade him but we are in no hurry as or GM showed in trading Dame and will extract a very good return, I'd want Herb Jones at least, doubt you'd trade Trey

Herb is NO's defensive backbone. Main reason NO's was a top 5 defensive team with him playing along side 4 non defensive players in Jonas/Zion/BI & CJ. He's not up for trade.

I was thinking Kira, Hawkins this yrs #14 pick & a FRP.

I'd also consider Kira, Daniels without a FRP but doubt NO's FO would. Maybe (Kira Daniels) for (Williams, FRP) might get them to consider.

Kira is a fast young guard with potential but buried behind CJ/Alvarado & Daniels. He needs a change of scenery & playing time.
Hawkins was this yrs mid draft pick, has 3pt gravity
& if necessary a FRP to bridge any potential value gap

Whole Truth wrote:I've posted a couple times about hoping Portland would flip Williams to NO's & it looks as though Portland is entertaining the idea of keeping him. I obviously have an agenda to land him but would like to put forward some reasoning as to why it would also make sense for Portland to not keep him.

As a proven often injured player (several yrs worth of evidence) with value on a rebuilding team. By keeping Williams while trying to develop & rebuild your team risks a value asset to injury, where there's no push to contend or even make the PO's. The weighted decision of an often injured complimentary high end role player vs a potential value asset young player & or pick.

NO's as potential contenders in need of his depth & rim protection have value pick assets with potential lottery worth.

If your young team needs 2-3 yrs to develop as stated above. Williams will be an expiring at that point if he's first able to avoid any risk of injury as he ages. His speed/athletic perimeter game is not conducive to him staying healthy, much like Nance who is also often injured & Williams has already shown in his younger years he can't stay healthy over several yrs. Ultimately why Boston chose to shed his salary despite needing a healthy version of him. Hard to imagine an injury plagued career will improve with age.

You may ask why would NO's want him if this is my argument. The answer would be, to bridge a minute gap between Jonas & Nance as Nance is also injury prone. Especially, if he logs too many mins at C. NO's will be doing what Boston was trying to do with Porzingis & an ageing Horford but at half the cost as all 3 of Jonas, Nance & Williams are a combined 37m apposed to Boston's 60m.

Is there no chance he can be traded ?

Norm2953 wrote:
I think Portland would ask NO for Dyson Daniels in a trade for Williams

Upperclass wrote:A welcome thread can encompass all aspects related to the player. The reality is, Portland is a rebuilding team that doesn't have alot of use for a backup center that can't play PF, at 12mil/year when their starting center is at 33/year.. With as aggressive as the new front office is, he's likely being moved this season before any value drops from injury or performance.