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Grant Trade?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:35 pm
by GreenRiddler
I don’t see how he fits this team too old and we probably only signed to appease Dame. He stifled Sharpe and Ayton the most imo.
Has some of the highest iso possessions per game and some of the lowest FG% in iso positions with a minimum number of attempts. I rather play small with Camara at 4 or Jabari. Freeing up touches for Sharpe and Ayton who came alive after Grant wasn’t plying.
He’s overpaid but still good for a team trying to win and needs his skills or a contender with dead weight that wants to pay the cap hit for the next 3 years in exchange for an expiring dead weight player.
I don’t see us getting a first for him given his contract. I can see us getting a 2nd and salary matching that’s expiring and maybe a young experiment like we got in Banton.
I like the lakers, grizzlies and Pistons. Pistons have been trying to win they have experience worth him and they need shooting.
There would have to be a 3rd team for Det to make the salary match.
Thoughts? What’s his value and do we trade him in June?
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 10:05 pm
by JRoy
I hope we move him for shorter contracts and a small asset or two.
He could help several teams but no one besides Jerami likes that contract.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 10:31 pm
by Butter
I'm wondering of a team like the Spurs would have any interest in him. He'd be a volume scorer to take the pressure off their other younger starters.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 11:45 pm
by Pattycakes
Someone will take him and we’ll get likely a future first rounder for the salary dump someone else is bound to respond to us with. He’s gotten underrated
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 2:10 am
by Shem
The problem with Grant (and Ant too) is that they're the big dogs in terms of who the team is going to defer to based on their age and experience (plus their salaries). That means Scoot and Sharpe will defer to them which will slow down their growth. This is why they both need to be traded.
And this team isn't going to take the next big step if Grant and Ant are the top dogs.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 4:38 am
by Tim Lehrbach
Grant for Barnes/#13 has been discussed a lot.
I wonder if Detroit would step in and take Barnes, 7, and 14 for 5?
Yes, it amounts to a salary dump of Grant, which many of us have agreed there is little incentive for Portland to rush into. (To recap those reasons, a good start or whole season from Grant, plus one year less on his contract, may increase his attractiveness, whereas holding on to him without seeing any improvement in his play or health really doesn't hurt the team or the prospects of dumping him later.)
But if the Blazers can use nonessential assets to move up, they should consider it. Otherwise, they might find themselves left with small, slight guards and a whole lotta question marks on the board at 7. Of course, even at 5, the draft could end up going Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Castle in some order, leaving the Blazers with the same grab bag. At least they'd have Buzelis as an option.
Here's a needlessly convoluted version:
Detroit trades
Isaiah Stewart
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#5)
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#53)
Detroit receives
Harrison Barnes
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#7)
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#14)
Detroit perspective
Veteran help, an extra first rounder, and removing the long-term money owed to Stewart are not a huge haul, but they may justify moving down just two spots.
Portland trades
Jerami Grant
Kris Murray
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#7)
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#14)
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#40)
Portland receives
Marvin Bagley III (waived)
Davion Mitchell
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#5)
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#13)
Portland perspective
The Blazers move up (twice!) to land their draft targets. The cost of Grant, Murray, and #40 is affordable. Speaking of affordability, the Blazers stay safely under the tax and shed millions off Grant's contract. It's possible neither Bagley nor Mitchell ever sees the practice facility.
Sacramento trades
Harrison Barnes
Davion Mitchell
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#13)
Sacramento receives
Jerami Grant
Kris Murray
Sacramento perspective
Mixed reviews on this from Sacramento fans, but those who like it see a team closer to the top than the bottom of the league. I happen to agree. Sometimes a seemingly marginal upgrade can make a team wholly more dynamic. That's the gamble here. Reuniting the Murray brothers is a feel-good story.
Washington trades
Marvin Bagley III
Washington receives
Isaiah Stewart
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#40)
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#53)
Washington perspective
A playable big and two more shots at the draft. Is Stewart's contract bearable, though?
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 12:35 am
by cdubbz
I wouldn’t want to help the Kings get better.
I’m all aboard shedding salary but Mitchell & Bagley can make a roster spot.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 1:57 am
by Butter
cdubbz wrote:I wouldn’t want to help the Kings get better.
I’m all aboard shedding salary but Mitchell & Bagley can make a roster spot.
Agreed. Let's send Grant to another lottery team so they can win slightly more games, and we get a better shot in the lottery next year.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 10:38 am
by Goldbum
With the cap increase Grant's salary won't be erroneous. I think he's worth 2 first round picks plus an asset. I know for a fact that the Pacers are interested and think he can play next to Siakam. I would LOVE to get Jarace Walker, but I heard he wasn't on the table. Philadelphia has also expressed interest but I don't have any knowledge about those talks other than that they happened.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 10:48 am
by Goldbum
Tim Lehrbach wrote:Grant for Barnes/#13 has been discussed a lot.
I wonder if Detroit would step in and take Barnes, 7, and 14 for 5?
Yes, it amounts to a salary dump of Grant, which many of us have agreed there is little incentive for Portland to rush into. (To recap those reasons, a good start or whole season from Grant, plus one year less on his contract, may increase his attractiveness, whereas holding on to him without seeing any improvement in his play or health really doesn't hurt the team or the prospects of dumping him later.)
But if the Blazers can use nonessential assets to move up, they should consider it. Otherwise, they might find themselves left with small, slight guards and a whole lotta question marks on the board at 7. Of course, even at 5, the draft could end up going Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Castle in some order, leaving the Blazers with the same grab bag. At least they'd have Buzelis as an option.
Here's a needlessly convoluted version:
Detroit trades
Isaiah Stewart
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#5)
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#53)
Detroit receives
Harrison Barnes
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#7)
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#14)
Detroit perspective
Veteran help, an extra first rounder, and removing the long-term money owed to Stewart are not a huge haul, but they may justify moving down just two spots.
Portland trades
Jerami Grant
Kris Murray
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#7)
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#14)
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#40)
Portland receives
Marvin Bagley III (waived)
Davion Mitchell
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#5)
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#13)
Portland perspective
The Blazers move up (twice!) to land their draft targets. The cost of Grant, Murray, and #40 is affordable. Speaking of affordability, the Blazers stay safely under the tax and shed millions off Grant's contract. It's possible neither Bagley nor Mitchell ever sees the practice facility.
Sacramento trades
Harrison Barnes
Davion Mitchell
2024 First Round Draft Pick (#13)
Sacramento receives
Jerami Grant
Kris Murray
Sacramento perspective
Mixed reviews on this from Sacramento fans, but those who like it see a team closer to the top than the bottom of the league. I happen to agree. Sometimes a seemingly marginal upgrade can make a team wholly more dynamic. That's the gamble here. Reuniting the Murray brothers is a feel-good story.
Washington trades
Marvin Bagley III
Washington receives
Isaiah Stewart
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#40)
2024 Second Round Draft Pick (#53)
Washington perspective
A playable big and two more shots at the draft. Is Stewart's contract bearable, though?
I love this trade Tim. Even though I think we can get more the deal makes too much sense. Hopefully can get off of both Ant and Malcom for nice packages. Moving from 13 to 14 means we're more likely to get a guy who falls. I do wonder if we could get up again into the top 10 with our remaining 2nd and loose assets... maybe something around Timelord to the Grizzlies??? I don't know just spit balling
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 5:02 pm
by JasonStern
Goldbum wrote:With the cap increase Grant's salary won't be erroneous. I think he's worth 2 first round picks plus an asset.
You're supposed to green text jokes so that people know you aren't serious.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 7:50 am
by DusterBuster
I'm checked out on this team until I know there's a superstar talent to build around on it or Jodie sells to Phil Knight. Latter aint **** happening, so I guess waiting for the next Blazer great to come along.
so trade grant, keep him, whatever. Same with brogdon, ayton, simons, sharpe, scoot, whoever. give me a player i can hang my hat on, right now, there is none.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 7:54 am
by DusterBuster
JasonStern wrote:Goldbum wrote:With the cap increase Grant's salary won't be erroneous. I think he's worth 2 first round picks plus an asset.
You're supposed to green text jokes so that people know you aren't serious.
I agree with the 2 first round picks part (first rounders could be heavily protected for all we know, and I also just think FRP's are becoming wildly overrated the more teams throw them around like candy).
So I dont discount what Goldbum said. If the Thunder threw two of there lesser firsts and maybe a 8th rotation bench as the "asset"... that lines up. Same for Nets.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 8:45 pm
by JasonStern
DusterBuster wrote:I'm checked out on this team until I know there's a superstar talent to build around on it or Jodie sells to Phil Knight. Latter aint **** happening, so I guess waiting for the next Blazer great to come along.
so trade grant, keep him, whatever. Same with brogdon, ayton, simons, sharpe, scoot, whoever. give me a player i can hang my hat on, right now, there is none.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:29 pm
by raferfenix
Bucks were linked to Grant when he was with Detroit.
What do we think about another trade between our teams?
From October 2022:
ESPN’s Zach Lowe said on his podcast that Milwaukee was “sneakily kind of sniffing around Jerami Grant” before he got traded to the Portland Trail Blazers. Lowe added that the Bucks like the idea of adding switchable guys, which is precisely what Grant is. Due to his scoring, defense, and versatility, Grant would be a perfect fit with the Bucks, but the Blazers swooped in and got him from the Detroit Pistons.
https://behindthebuckpass.com/2022/10/07/gathering-latest-milwaukee-bucks-trade-rumors-before-2022-23-season/
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 11:39 pm
by BlazersBroncos
raferfenix wrote:Bucks were linked to Grant when he was with Detroit.
What do we think about another trade between our teams?
From October 2022:
ESPN’s Zach Lowe said on his podcast that Milwaukee was “sneakily kind of sniffing around Jerami Grant” before he got traded to the Portland Trail Blazers. Lowe added that the Bucks like the idea of adding switchable guys, which is precisely what Grant is. Due to his scoring, defense, and versatility, Grant would be a perfect fit with the Bucks, but the Blazers swooped in and got him from the Detroit Pistons.
https://behindthebuckpass.com/2022/10/07/gathering-latest-milwaukee-bucks-trade-rumors-before-2022-23-season/
I would swap Grant for any salary MIL can make match if they pony up their 2031 FRP with little or no protections.
Grant and Dame are boys too.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:27 am
by tester551
BlazersBroncos wrote:raferfenix wrote:Bucks were linked to Grant when he was with Detroit.
What do we think about another trade between our teams?
From October 2022:
ESPN’s Zach Lowe said on his podcast that Milwaukee was “sneakily kind of sniffing around Jerami Grant” before he got traded to the Portland Trail Blazers. Lowe added that the Bucks like the idea of adding switchable guys, which is precisely what Grant is. Due to his scoring, defense, and versatility, Grant would be a perfect fit with the Bucks, but the Blazers swooped in and got him from the Detroit Pistons.
https://behindthebuckpass.com/2022/10/07/gathering-latest-milwaukee-bucks-trade-rumors-before-2022-23-season/
I would swap Grant for any salary MIL can make match if they pony up their 2031 FRP with little or no protections.
Grant and Dame are boys too.
Milwaukee is in a tough spot financially.
Looks like the only trade ballast that they'd have available is Middleton or Lopez + Connaughton
I'd pull the trigger for Middleton + '31 FRP for Grant.
I think you could flip Middleton for additional assets around the league. Maybe a John Collins + Picks from Utah or Rui + Vanderbilt + Picks from Lakers.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:29 am
by PDXKnight
tester551 wrote:BlazersBroncos wrote:I would swap Grant for any salary MIL can make match if they pony up their 2031 FRP with little or no protections.
Grant and Dame are boys too.
Milwaukee is in a tough spot financially.
Looks like the only trade ballast that they'd have available is Middleton or Lopez + Connaughton
I'd pull the trigger for Middleton + '31 FRP for Grant.
I think you could flip Middleton for additional assets around the league. Maybe a John Collins + Picks from Utah or Rui + Vanderbilt + Picks from Lakers.
I think Middleton is worth more than grant potentially. We'd need to take out the first and probably get that pick (or 2) flipping Middleton in a 3 way deal
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:58 am
by raferfenix
Appreciating your posts thanks.
What about #23 this year instead of the 2031 first? Bucks also have your #33 pick if you want that back.
Lopez + Connaughton would work financially.
Middleton and Bobby have plenty of value to Milwaukee but if we were to move either (in this deal or a follow up) Grant sure would make it easier to replace their offensive output as well.
Re: Grant Trade?
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 2:08 am
by tester551
raferfenix wrote:Appreciating your posts thanks.
What about #23 this year instead of the 2031 first? Bucks also have your #33 pick if you want that back.
Lopez + Connaughton would work financially.
Middleton and Bobby have plenty of value to Milwaukee but if we were to move either (in this deal or a follow up) Grant sure would make it easier to replace their offensive output as well.
I'd only trade Grant for Lopez + Pat + #23 if:
1) Portland could swap #23 to Chicago for their own pick back
2) They had follow up trades on the table for both Lopez and Pat