Has Thybulle been milking his injury?

[DusterBuster]

I get he has a high ankle sprain, but when has that ever been a 5-6mo injury recovery for any player? Is more wrong than just a sprain for him the team isn’t talking about?

[m0ng0]

Ya think?

[m0ng0]

Maybe he got the memo? your too good so we will pay you for a year not to play because we dont want to win games? Everybody complains about cap space, why didn't we just cut him or give him an injury claim? Oh because he is not hurt...

[zzaj]

He reinjured his injury about a month ago. iirc

[DusterBuster]

He reinjured his injury about a month ago. iirc

I didn’t hear anything about that. I just remembered the first injury, if it got reinjured, I guess that explains missing 50+ games… kinda?

[Shem]

Has Thybulle been milking his injury?

Are you in a hurry to see him back on the court?

[JRoy]

I am!

[m0ng0]

I am!

Not sure if that was sarcasm, isn't he just another vet taking minutes from our children??? Or is it because he is no danger of roling up 30pts per game?

[PDXKnight]

Again this one falls on the team. I'm sure if we felt we needed him back he'd be playing.

[m0ng0]

Again this one falls on the team. I'm sure if we felt we needed him back he'd be playing.

which begs the question why is he still on the roster as he really has no place or role on this team as currently constructed

[PDXKnight]

Again this one falls on the team. I'm sure if we felt we needed him back he'd be playing.

which begs the question why is he still on the roster as he really has no place or role on this team as currently constructed

Pretty sure if someone offered me that contract I'd laugh my ass off unless I had a worse contract to throw back

[Case2012]

And they matched it just so they could not play him. Here's 30 million dollars buddy! He blocked more 3 pointers on the perimeter than any other player in the league by a vast margin in only 30 games or whatever he played. It was a no brainer to send him to a contender for a few second rounders. It's unbelievable how inept these people are at their jobs. Like on 2k for example, you want to blow it up. You start looking for teams that want your guy for picks. Any 12 year old knows this but Joe Cronin doesn't. It's almost as if there's some bizarre conspiracy happening that we're not aware of taking place behind the scenes. Jody Allen could sell this team and still make millions being the executer of her brothers estate but doesn't because she gets even more money this way. How much money of her dead brothers does she need that she never did a goddamn thing to earn? She could sell it for billions of dollars to someone that actually gives a ____ about basketball but she doesnt, why? Again, how much money doers she need and why id this never discussed in sports media? Especially after she traded dame and it came out that he wanted to come back but decided she was over him. The Adelson's in Dallas have rightfully been called out but why she hasn't she? I can't rationalize it besides pure greed. It's not like we're some amazing contender that she wants to bring a ring to. We stay under the tax. We have ok players that people will go see. They havent been properly developed so they wont be able to command max deals when their rookie deals are up. We can keep drafting young exciting players that are cheap and fans will pay to go see. Idk man.. Seems like the only way i can make sense of it. But why would they give that deal to Thybulle if theyre so cheap? I mean..

[Walton1one]

Thybulle's situation\contract is exactly why Cronin should have never resigned him in the first place. One can only wonder what POR could have done with $15mil in space below the luxury tax, maybe acquire draft assets? But instead, they used all but $4mil of it up in Thybulle, only to have him sit out, what appears to be the entire NBA season, not trade him and potentially see him walk in the offseason, meaning you used up that cap space for nothing? That is the kind of maneuver (along with vastly overpaying your own FA) that SHOULD get a GM fired, but not here, not in dysfunction junction.

Matching to retain an asset is understandable, matching and then doing nothing with that asset is incompetence. But I am sure Joe will trade him in the offseason (if Thybulle opts in) or at the trade deadline where he is always so active.

[JasonStern]

Thybulle isn't blatantly milking his injury. He's just not that good and a veteran-esque player. Nice off the bench guy for a contender, which the Blazers are not. I mean, are you arguing that the Blazers should cut Deni or Shaedon's playing time to get 5ppg from Thybulle? I am confident that, if there were actual assets available for him, he would have been moved. But like Grant, and to a lesser extent, Ayton - no team is chomping at the bits to throw assets to acquire the Blazers veterans.

[Walton1one]

I think the argument was, Cronin should have never matched DAL offer on Thybulle in the first place. It took up valuable cap room and if, Joe's intent was to extract value for Thybulle, then playing him a little and dealing him at the deadline for anything would have at least made some sense. Now they have to wait to see if he opts into his contract I think, before they can try and trade him, because as you stated, where is the guy going to play?

[DeBlazerRiddem]

It is an odd situation. To my knowledge we haven't heard any real grumblings or discontent from either the Blazers or Thybulle regarding the situation but it has gone on for so long with so little clarity that it is odd, a little unprecedented in the modern era of sports reporting.

I want to see a Thybulle/Camara/Deni line up just terrorizing other teams on defense. Of course it would have to be on a night were at least one of them is shooting okay.

[monopoman]

Matisse is only 27 turning 28 in a few weeks, I could see him being a part of this team in the future. If the Blazers are trying to win game this season or next he will be 29 or 30 when that is happening, nowhere near "old man" status in the NBA.

[Wizenheimer]

for his career, Thybulle has averaged 5 points, 2 rebounds, and 1 assist. He has averaged 2.6 steals per36 but that's a pretty meaningless number when he averages 21 minutes

he has a career PER of 10.5 when the NBA average is 15.0; a career TS% of .548 when the NBA median is .576; a career winshare/48 of .091 when the NBA average is .100, and his mark was .072 last season

he's an anemic rebounder, last season his rebound rate was 177th out of 187 qualified players. He never gets to the FT Line; last season he ranked 224th out of 240 in FT Rate. He's an infrequent assist man as last season his 8.3% assist rate ranked 154th out of 187, even though that was by far the highest rate of his career

all that suggests a veteran minimum contract. It sure doesn't warrant the 11M/ year he's being paid to not play. Of course, most of those numbers are on offense and it's well known he makes his bones on defense. But the Blazers already have a defensive stopper with marginal offense in Toumani. If you have Camara and Clingan on the floor at the same time as Thybulle,you better have a couple of near elite offensive players on the floor at the same time. And right now Portland doesn't have a single one of those on the roster

matching his contract was idiotic. He arrived in Portland with an appropriate salary of 4.3M. Dallas, a team not known recently for smart decisions, for some reason tried to use a toxic offer sheet to steal him. Perhaps Cronin felt he needed to justify the Hart trade by retaining Thybulle; but there is almost never a justification for accepting a toxic contract, There sure wasn't in this case

there is just example after example of Portland being unable to settle on a plan and pick a direction. Or maybe they have settled on a plan and that's having a ridiculously expensive payroll for a team stuck in about the worst Purgatory an NBA team can be stuck in; but in a one-horse town that has no alternative product

[JasonStern]

Wiz is drunk.
"MAYBE FOR THE MLE, THYBULLE WOULD HAVE BEEN WORTH IT!"
He's literally paid the MLE. $11m this season.
"WELL, BACK IN MY DAY, THE MLE WAS $30 A GAME AND A CAN OF COCA-COLA, BACK WHEN IT HAD REAL SUGAR! NONE OF THIS HIGH FRUIT TOAST SYRUP CRAP!"
Resigning Thybulle made sense. Nobody knew Camara would be as good as he has been. Defense doesn't come across in spreadsheet stats. If it did, Thybulle'd probably have a PER of 15 - perfectly hitting a MLE contract.
Retaining Thybulle at the trade deadline can be debated. Win now piece on a team not trying to win now. Takes minutes away from Camara, Sharpe, and even Rupert. Player option makes off-season planning more difficult and complicates potential trades. Guessing he was shopped, but as with most of the roster - our players don't have the value many expect. Maybe you get a Harrison Ingram tier player for him. Maybe?
I'm going to presume he opts in, which makes him expiring after next season. Same with Simons and Ayton. Just get out of that Grant contract, and suddenly the Blazers are sitting pretty cap-wise.

[Wizenheimer]

Wiz is drunk.
"MAYBE FOR THE MLE, THYBULLE WOULD HAVE BEEN WORTH IT!"
He's literally paid the MLE. $11m this season..

it's not me that's drunk

I never said he was worth the MLE. I said his 4.3M salary when he arrived in Portland was appropriate

day drinking followed by night drinking has a negative cumulative impact...talk to your doctor