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All the fearmongering about extending Ayton can finally be put to rest.

Now what to do with Jerami Grant.

on june 29, ant and ayton are gone. i'm impressed.

Adios amigo

I **** give up. This offseason is stupid. I’m not mad, just confused

what does a buyout mean in this situation? I assume the Blazers still have to pay Ayton's salary this year. We just did it to avoid the logjam of centers and the inevitable drama if ayton wasn't getting the minutes he wanted?

DusterBuster wrote:I **** give up. This offseason is stupid. I’m not mad, just confused

What's the matter? Didn't get 1st round picks? Didn't get a player? What's up?

I never understood the fear mongering about potential extensions to Simons and Ayton, and the idea we had to move them to prevent that. A GM can just not resign players if they aren't worth the contract and no trades are worth-while.

Anyways, nothing lost with waiving Ayton, I hope they save a few bucks by letting him choose his next destination (uhg probably the Lakers) but there was no good coming out of keeping him. The only thing we lose out on is an incredibly small chance of flipping him at the deadline, but we literally lived through that scenario last season and once is more than enough of that journey. Didn't happen then, lets move on.

And you know what, by getting rid of Simons and Ayton we have really sent a message about the type of team we want to be and the kind of effort and defense we are going to demand from our players. Hopefully Grant gets the message and bounces back this year.

I'm not entirely convinced there is a logjam at center. Reath is simply there as a last string center should they need him. RW3 never stays healthy so I don't even count on him. I have a hard time believing Yang is ready for playing time. I think there was a place for Ayton. Having said that, I'm not sad he's gone. I am surprised they bought him out rsther than trade him or wait for his contract to expire.

Cap wise what does buying a player out really mean?

m0ng0 wrote:Cap wise what does buying a player out really mean?

That will depend on the terms negotiated in the buyout. His contract will still count against our books but based on what they agree to. We won’t know until they release the terms of the deal once the buyout is finalized.

m0ng0 wrote:Cap wise what does buying a player out really mean?

We reduce his cap hit by the amount he agrees to "give up" in the buyout. He currently makes 35.5. A lot of times on bigger deals, guys will give up what they think they can recoup elsewhere. So let's say the tax mle. It's ~ 5 million.
So now our cap hit on him goes from 35.5 to 30.5. Then, if he signs with another team, we get to further reduce our cap hit. If he signs for 5 million, we are able to reduce further by the amoount of his new contract, minus the league minimum, divided in half.

So if he signs for 5 million, it'd be (5-1.2)/2. Or, a further reduction of his salary by 1.9 million. So now his hit on our cap would go from the original 35.5 down to 28.6.

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I'm not entirely convinced there is a logjam at center.

The people that were saying that don't really follow the team very closely. They just saw 4 other centers listed on the roster on draft day and based their opinions on that.

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Reath is simply there as a last string center should they need him. RW3 never stays healthy so I don't even count on him.

Yep!

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I have a hard time believing Yang is ready for playing time.

Billups thinks he is. His footwork for his age is amazing.

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I think there was a place for Ayton. Having said that, I'm not sad he's gone. I am surprised they bought him out rsther than trade him or wait for his contract to expire.

From what I heard, the only offers they could get for his expiring contract was another bad contract. So cutting ties so that it opens the door for minutes for the youngsters made more sense.

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I'm not entirely convinced there is a logjam at center. Reath is simply there as a last string center should they need him. RW3 never stays healthy so I don't even count on him. I have a hard time believing Yang is ready for playing time. I think there was a place for Ayton. Having said that, I'm not sad he's gone. I am surprised they bought him out rsther than trade him or wait for his contract to expire.

We aren't going to compete with this team, so what's the harm in getting the young guys minutes?

We actually get to test Clingan and Yang to see whether they're showing promise.

The worse we are the higher our draft back next year should be, and we need a star.

Congratulations for finally being rid of him!

m0ng0 wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:I **** give up. This offseason is stupid. I’m not mad, just confused

What's the matter? Didn't get 1st round picks? Didn't get a player? What's up?

Doing literally nothing with an asset. Not even trying. Nurkic got moved. You can’t tell me you couldn’t move DA. This was NBA agents controlling the Blazers roster vs the GM doing his due diligence… that’s what’s the matter.

I’ve given Cronin a lot of rope this summer, but it’s very clear now he’s just in the league to do Klutch’s bidding, not what’s best for the Blazers because Joe has no spine or he’s just a puppet collecting a paycheck.

Shem wrote:

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I'm not entirely convinced there is a logjam at center.

The people that were saying that don't really follow the team very closely. They just saw 4 other centers listed on the roster on draft day and based their opinions on that.

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Reath is simply there as a last string center should they need him. RW3 never stays healthy so I don't even count on him.

Yep!

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I have a hard time believing Yang is ready for playing time.

Billups thinks he is. His footwork for his age is amazing.

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I think there was a place for Ayton. Having said that, I'm not sad he's gone. I am surprised they bought him out rsther than trade him or wait for his contract to expire.

From what I heard, the only offers they could get for his expiring contract was another bad contract. So cutting ties so that it opens the door for minutes for the youngsters made more sense.

I’ve never been more convinced you work for the Blazers. I’ve yet to see you say anything even remotely critical of the team.

That’s said, even if it’s the case, I hope you’re right. I’ll live in ignorance that that’s correct, I have a hard time buying it… but sure, whatever.

I genuinely hope this is all correct and this team better pray Yang is everything they believe he can be. Maybe this will end up being the right call in the end and the team does have Chinese Jokic on their hands… but my god… getting literally nothing for DA when even Charlotte was able to trade Nurk is absolutely mind **** -ly brain melting levels of insanity.

Dame Lizard wrote:

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I'm not entirely convinced there is a logjam at center. Reath is simply there as a last string center should they need him. RW3 never stays healthy so I don't even count on him. I have a hard time believing Yang is ready for playing time. I think there was a place for Ayton. Having said that, I'm not sad he's gone. I am surprised they bought him out rsther than trade him or wait for his contract to expire.

We aren't going to compete with this team, so what's the harm in getting the young guys minutes?

We actually get to test Clingan and Yang to see whether they're showing promise.

The worse we are the higher our draft back next year should be, and we need a star.

If this team isn’t going to compete for a playoff spot, then what the **** was the Holiday trade for? I can still believe it’s for the mentorship, rumblings they wanted CP3 for that, he probably wasn’t gonna sign, so Jrue was next best option, but if you’re gonna bring him in… don’t you owe it to him to pretend to try? Like… why did they try last year? They pissed away a good lottery pick for what? Just nothing this team is doing shows any sort of clear vision. It’s all chaos and pointlessness.

The only clear direction I can see if agents telling Joe what to do and him saying OK. Sends a few emails and calls it a **** day.

m0ng0 wrote:Adios amigo

Adios payaso


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DusterBuster wrote:getting literally nothing for DA when even Charlotte was able to trade Nurk is absolutely mind **** -ly brain melting levels of insanity.

I don't think anyone would give up anything meaningful to get Ayton in the current circumstances. After his failed stint with Blazers I bet his value as a core player is close to zero.. A stronger team would obviously be willing to get him as a role player, but $35 mln paycheck is a bit too much for that role.

DusterBuster wrote:If this team isn’t going to compete for a playoff spot, then what the **** was the Holiday trade for?

I actually believe dumping Ayton is a good addition by subtraction to make this team more competitive. I mean he's a chucker who treats basketball with zero effort and yet has a former #1 pick ego. I don't think his presence on the roster was really helpful for the team's performance.

I won't be surprised if he starts playing with much more effort and focus once he gets signed with the big market contender. And yet, it will strengthen the opinion of how cancerous DeAndre Ayton is.