Bulls and Blazers in serious trade talks?

[Dakotah612]

Apparently Rick Bucher was on ESPNews saying something could get done before the deadline. There is a huge thread on this going on over at the Bulls forum. No players were mentioned. I have a gut feeling KP is trying to get Tyrus Thomas.

[jeffhardyfan52]

if we get Tyrus Thomas(who i dont want) the bulls completly got owned in the 06 draft and i really dont think kp will trade any body right now

[Tommy Udo 6]

When I heard the comment, Bucher said that the teams were the most active in trade talks. I didnt interpret it that they were necessarily talking to each other - just that both were actively trying to deal

[Milkdud]

I dunno what we would trade for him, what would they want for him? Webster?

[Spykes]

I'd love to see us make a run for Gordon.

Thomas? Not so much. If we can get him on the cheap, so be it. But I wouldn't give up anything of substantial value to get Thomas right now.

[mojomarc]

Boy, I don't see any way that could actually work and make sense for us. The player that Chicago wants to rid itself of most is not TT, but Ben Wallace. The closest I could come that would seem to answer Portland needs that might possibly be acceptable to us (but hardly acceptable to Chicago, which would kill it) would be something like Wallace, Thomas and Gordon for Jack, Frye, Przy and Raef.

For us, this move would take Przy's salary off the books a year earlier since Wallace only has two years, and gives us Roy's backcourt mate for the run while replacing Przy's physical play with a younger player in TT.

For Chicago, it gets rid of the stench of the awful Wallace signing by replacing him with the younger (and more productive) Przybilla while freeing up more minutes for Noah. It replaces some of the loss of Gordon, and it does provide some much needed frontcourt scoring as well.

In the end, this really only makes sense for Chicago if they think Ben Gordon is sure to walk this offseason. For Portland, it risks the chemistry of the team and brings two guys with questionable attitudes in TT and big Ben in, so the only reason to do it from our side is if KP is absolutely certain that Roy and Gordon has a significantly better shot at being a championship backcourt than Roy/Rudy.

I know I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, and I doubt Paxson would, either.

[Yadadimean]

I could see us getting Thomas cheap. Their front office has been making bad decisions since they got rid of Chandler to sign Wallace to a huge contract

[Wizenheimer]

Boy, I don't see any way that could actually work and make sense for us. The player that Chicago wants to rid itself of most is not TT, but Ben Wallace. The closest I could come that would seem to answer Portland needs that might possibly be acceptable to us (but hardly acceptable to Chicago, which would kill it) would be something like Wallace, Thomas and Gordon for Jack, Frye, Przy and Raef.

For us, this move would take Przy's salary off the books a year earlier since Wallace only has two years, and gives us Roy's backcourt mate for the run while replacing Przy's physical play with a younger player in TT.

For Chicago, it gets rid of the stench of the awful Wallace signing by replacing him with the younger (and more productive) Przybilla while freeing up more minutes for Noah. It replaces some of the loss of Gordon, and it does provide some much needed frontcourt scoring as well.

In the end, this really only makes sense for Chicago if they think Ben Gordon is sure to walk this offseason. For Portland, it risks the chemistry of the team and brings two guys with questionable attitudes in TT and big Ben in, so the only reason to do it from our side is if KP is absolutely certain that Roy and Gordon has a significantly better shot at being a championship backcourt than Roy/Rudy.

I know I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, and I doubt Paxson would, either.

of course if Gordon was going to walk from chicago, there would be no guarantee he wouldn't walk from portland....big risk, especially considering the almost certainty the chemistry would be hammered hard.

[mojomarc]

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of course if Gordon was going to walk from chicago, there would be no guarantee he wouldn't walk from portland....big risk, especially considering the almost certainty the chemistry would be hammered hard.

Yup, but my point was that's the only reason Paxson considers this, and KP only does this if he's sure he has a long-term solution (which you'd assume would be a major selling point in getting BG to resign).

Like I said--I don't see this as remotely feasible.

[Billy]

I'd love to get Gordon and he seems like such a crazy good fit.

If Portland dealt Frye and sent back at least one more player than they received they could at least look to sign a big out of the NBDL to fill in--if one isn't returned.

Something about this doesn't quite sit right though. If in fact the insinuation was that Chicago and Portland were talking deal, why wouldn't Bucher have mentioned it at the same time as the Przybilla/Cassell thing?

[Mr Odd]

Are you people for real??

Tyrus does NOT fit the type of players that
Pritchard brings in, ontop of that he made
a horrible impression in Portland during the
workouts & interviews. Im willing to bet BIG
that if the Blazers & Bulls are in talks it isnt
about Tyrus.. .The ONLY way Tyrus would
be in the deal is for filler & then he would
most likely be moved as soon as possible.


Sometimes you guys.. .I swear. LOL!!

[Fitz303]

Are you people for real??

Tyrus does NOT fit the type of players that
Pritchard brings in, ontop of that he made
a horrible impression in Portland during the
workouts & interviews. Im willing to bet BIG
that if the Blazers & Bulls are in talks it isnt
about Tyrus.. .The ONLY way Tyrus would
be in the deal is for filler & then he would
most likely be moved as soon as possible.


Sometimes you guys.. .I swear. LOL!!

+1 I wouldnt take TT for anything personally. Not to say TT wont become a good player, but I would rather not have his character in this locker room that has become so tight

[Khazim]

I doubt there is anything really going on, but if there we're, my money would be on talks involving Hinrich.

[swede]

I'd love to get Kirk but everyone remember good 'ol Ricky B is so full of it. He said two weeks ago the Blazers were "Still active in trade talks" then cooks this one up a few weeks later? I don't know that I buy it. We have seen the team play great ball and I don't see much on Chicago that helps our '09 plan.

[Wizenheimer]

I have a hard time believing this 'report' is that accurate, at least on Portland's end.

I'm certain that KP is getting a lot of calls from other GM's interested in portland's stable of young players. That doesn't mean he's actively looking to make a trade, but it could mean that Bucher has heard portland involved a lot in the 'chatter'.

One thing I've wondered about: KP has publically stated a number of times about that cap-space plan. That has always seemed a little out of character. GM's are usually pretty tight-lipped about their plans. I wonder if KP was simply using those statements to troll for offers from other GM's thinking they knew what KP's timeline was.

As far as the Bulls, I can't picture KP being interested in TT unless Chicago was willing to trade him for Frye. But portland would have to add Green or mcRoberts to make salaries match. And Frye can play some C and I don't think TT could. Besides, how would he get PF minutes behind LMA and Travis. And of course he may have an attitude issue.

Ben Wallace I don't believe holds any interest for KP unless he's got other 'irons in the fire' that mean the cap-space plan has been abandoned.

Hinrich's contract is just too damn big, I don't believe he'd be a blazer target.

Gordon would be the apparent target, IMO. He would seem to be a good backcourt partner for Roy and can certainly stretch the defense. But there are issues with him too. He's not a good ball handler, and he's 6'2 and finished growing. He apparently wants a lot of money, and he wouldn't come with a guarantee that portland could re-sign him.

Martell and Jack for Gordon works CBA-wise but that illustrates the problem with a trade at this point: trading away those 2 players will have a definite impact on chemistry. I can't see KP doing it.

So it seems just like more pre-deadline speculation that occurs every year.

[HitMan52]

I have a question for you guys from a Bulls fan. Why do you guys think Tyrus Thomas has character issues? I have heard nothing bad from him from any articles or interviews from players or coaches. Do you guys think that because of the "Free Money" comments or is it because he gets really excited when he dunks?

[mojomarc]

I can't see Martell being involved. If he is that would mean that we would be down two SFs for next season since Jones likely won't be back (and if he is, he really isn't a starter for a good team but a great bench guy). We'd end up with one too many guards and one too few SFs.

IMO, if we're going to a Jack + someone for Gordon, that someone would have to be Frye. He also addresses more of a need for Chicago.

Still don't think anything will come of this.

[DmoneyH3]

lol@ Jones not coming back. I take it you didn't read the OLive blog. He loves it here and wants stability.

[swede]

He also likes money..

I dunno about you but I aint paying James Jones the MLE. No way no how. Unless we make the playoffs and the dude is offishal. Let Miami sign him and pray he will Kapono the rest of the year.

[Fitz303]

I can't see Martell being involved. If he is that would mean that we would be down two SFs for next season since Jones likely won't be back (and if he is, he really isn't a starter for a good team but a great bench guy). We'd end up with one too many guards and one too few SFs.

IMO, if we're going to a Jack + someone for Gordon, that someone would have to be Frye. He also addresses more of a need for Chicago.

Still don't think anything will come of this.

Totally agree about the Jack and Frye over Jack and Webster, but I dont think that Martell is a total guarantee to be here next year. KP has never been exceptionally high on Martell. Why dont you think Jones will be back?? I don't see ANY way that Jones isnt here next year, and I could see him or Travis starting in the SF spot and the other backing him up. Jones does everything that Martell does, but a little bit better. Martell obviously has more potential, but if we were offered a decent deal for him, I think Jones would fill right in for him. I dont think it will necessarily happen, but I wouldnt be too surprised if it did