Trade with Dallas? Thoughts?

itsgotime · Post #1 » by **itsgotime** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:05 pm

Mavs fan here who sees there might be a trade that helps us both out. Wanted to get your thoughts on how much interest you would have.

As I read your forums there seems to be at least a want for vet presence to help you as you start your playoff runs starting this year. You also seem to want to get Miles off your team to finish off the era you ended not too long ago. Once Oden comes back you have less use for as many players as you have that can fill the 5 spot.

Here's my trade:

Dallas trades JET, Hassell, Ager and Diop

Portland trades Miles, Jack, Webster and Frye

Tradechecker...successful.

Why Dallas does it? It fills holes we have on our team in getting a two way C with potential by trading their one way C with potential. We get Webster who can either learn more on the bench (if he needs to) and we use EJ and Stack as our 6th men/starter. IF Web is good enough to start JHo becomes the SG with Web at the 3.

It puts players into set positions, JET is eating up both PG and SG minutes, however don't get me wrong he is definately an asset on this team both on and off the court. With Jack and Web that gives us 2 players who can fill the 2 roles JET brings to our team.

Why Portland does it? JET and Hassell have been where you guys are soon going to dominate. They are great lockerroom guys and will help when things get tough to keep the team looking in the right direction. JET can play either the spark plug off the bench for you allowing your real stars to continue to develop their offense, or he can start and help in the clutch department.

Diop's contract is expiring this year, he is a really good defensive backup C, so at teh end of the year you can decide when Oden comes back what you want to do with him. Sign, SnT, or let go and keep the salary. He will be worth right around the MLE, maybe higher at the end of the year.

Ager is thrown in just because. This also gets rid of Miles for you, not sure how much this is a priority, but I've read in at least 2 places that it is a want.

What do you think? Is it a steal, or am I asking too much? I admittedly don't know your players very well past the national media thoughts. It seems Frye is the odd man out for you when Oden gets back, and I've read that Outlaw could be made into a good 3 with JJones being a good backup. Hassell can play SG and SF for you too and is a defensive stopper type player.

Telfaire · Post #2 » by **Telfaire** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:15 pm

Change Diop and Ager to Bass and George and I might consider it, 'cause I'm a firm believer in Webster. I love Hassell's defense, but he's not much of 3-point threat which could be a problem.

Yadadimean · Post #3 » by **Yadadimean** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:17 pm

From a talent standpoint its a decent trade. But we like Martel. All I really want from Dallas is Brandon Bass.

d-train · Post #4 » by **d-train** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:21 pm

Blazers would say no to this deal. JET and Hassell's contracts are the deal killers. Taking Miles helps but not enough to take the $15 million committed in 2009 that JET and Hassell would cost. Additionally, from a talent value perspective, this deal only offers JET and that's not enough for what you are asking. So, your deal is no good on all counts.

Village Idiot · Post #5 » by **Village Idiot** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:27 pm

I'd love to have Terry in the backcourt next to Roy but not at the cost of Webster. Since they're cousins it would be cool to havet them on the same team, not being traded for each other.

Telfaire · Post #6 » by **Telfaire** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:30 pm

Really? JET and Webster are cousins?

Anyway, even though I suggested adding Bass into the deal, we might be able to sign him in 2009 even without unloading Miles...so no possible deals for now, Mavs' fans...

itsgotime · Post #7 » by **itsgotime** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:41 pm

Telfaire wrote:Change Diop and Ager to Bass and George and I might consider it, 'cause I'm a firm believer in Webster. I love Hassell's defense, but he's not much of 3-point threat which could be a problem.

I don't mind that change. I didn't know much of what you might be looking for in return so Diop and Ager were more throw ins than anything. Frye could take up the minutes that Bass plays now. I really like Bass, but think he would be better suited to play the 3 more. We currently play him at the 4 and 5 mostly and he gives up too much height (although he's pretty great when we play small ball teams).

He's quick enough to play other SF's and strong enough to post them up on the other side too. George is that good vet presence too, however he'd have to ok the deal, not too sure about that. If that's what it takes to get some good young players in that can contribute to a title competing team now then I'd do it (are these guys that good?). I also like the trade for the future of our team.

Post #8 » by **Spykes** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:43 pm

I like the general idea of this trade, but it still needs some tweaking imo.

itsgotime · Post #9 » by **itsgotime** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:46 pm

Telfaire wrote:Really? JET and Webster are cousins?

Anyway, even though I suggested adding Bass into the deal, we might be able to sign him in 2009 even without unloading Miles...so no possible deals for now, Mavs' fans...

Might be able to being the key word, the Mavs do pretty well with players they want to keep. Bass would be one of those players.

SalemStoner · Post #10 » by **SalemStoner** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:50 pm

I'd counter with an offer of

Miles, Jack(or Sergio) and Frye

for

JTerry and Devean George.

As bad as Miles contract is, Terry's is 2 years longer, almost as bad and you're getting a pair of solid contributers right now who are young enough to still improve.

You're definately not going to get to dump JET's contract on us AND get us to give up 3 above average prospects who have already proven they can play in this league. Either you can get Webster and Miles or the offer above, and I think the one above is a better fit for you guys imo. =)

itsgotime · Post #11 » by **itsgotime** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:51 pm

Spykes wrote:I like the general idea of this trade, but it still needs some tweaking imo.

The only tweeking I can see on our end is as long as you're not asking for Dirk, JHo, Devin or Stack (Stack only because our FO is in LOVE with him and would never trade him away, me as a fan, you could have him for much less than he's worth). Well, not those guys unless we're discussing a couple of your ungettable guys. Pretty much anyone else is up for grabs in my mind.

Wizenheimer · Post #12 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:04 pm

I agree that strictly from a talent perspective, it's a fairly even trade.

But there are always other factors in trades and plenty are in this one. Portland would be giving up three young rotation players. Frye and Jack they could part with because Terry can play the role Jack does and play it quite a bit better.

And Diop would help Portland on the boards this season. However he can't stretch a defense like Frye can with mid-range jumpers. And he'd be redundant with Oden and Pryzbilla next year. Portland would have no guarantee they could resign him if they wanted either, so it could be just a half year rental of Diop.

The biggest problem is that adding Terry and Hassel would kill any opportunity portland had for cap space in 2009, even with having moved Miles to dallas. Hassel would have to be excluded.

And another big problem is that Terry is 30 years old and will be sliding downward about the time Portland is challenging for a title.

So a counter-proposal would be:

Webster, frye, jack, miles

for

terry, diop, george, & bass

And I imagine both team's fans would reject that.

Post #13 » by **Spykes** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:05 pm

itsgotime wrote:The only tweeking I can see on our end is as long as you're not asking for Dirk, JHo, Devin or Stack (Stack only because our FO is in LOVE with him and would never trade him away, me as a fan, you could have him for much less than he's worth). Well, not those guys unless we're discussing a couple of your ungettable guys. Pretty much anyone else is up for grabs in my mind.

I wasn't thinking about adding any of those guys.

I was saying that I like the general idea of sending out Miles' shorter contract and some extra pieces for Terry. I think JET could be a nice fit alongside Roy.

I haven't had a serious chance to look at the trade checker and look at what can be added/subtracted, but I'm about to do that in a few minutes.

Post #14 » by **mojomarc** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:10 pm

Not even remotely interested in the first deal, and I'm not really interested in the follow ups. Why screw with our chemistry to get a Joel-duplicate, a good but not great and terribly overpaid guard in Terry, and the rest?

Tiggo Bitties · Post #15 » by **Tiggo Bitties** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:10 pm

Who would we rather have in 3 years, Webster or Terry?

itsgotime · Post #16 » by **itsgotime** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:22 pm

I guess I didn't realize you guys had that much more to add to your roster to make you a title competitor. My thought was when you add Oden next year, you pretty much only need experience to get to contending for a title. Roy, Oden and Aldridge are your future stars. Outlaw and Blake are your glue guys and JET could be your vet that helps point you in the right direction.

Getting JET helps make your guys better thoughout his contract because he is a GREAT locker room guy, a GREAT fan and community guy. He has a fire to him that gets the team pumped. He is that spark plug that gets things going in the right direction when the team needs it. At the end of his contract he'll be 34 and declining, at that point you can sign him for his career ending contract and keep him around to do what he does for the team.

Yes that is the point where you'll be competing for your title(s), and Terry will have helped put you in the right direction by that time. Miles will definately not do that with his $15 mil contract, so while Terry might be a bit overpriced, he doesn't come without his uses.

I'm on board with a Terry, Bass, George and Diop trade, we have some guys that might be able to fill the role Bass filled, along with your guys coming in and getting most of those minutes anyway.

Post #17 » by **Spykes** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:23 pm

What about this deal during the summer...

Miles
Green
Frye
Portland's 1st Round Pick (If Portland makes the playoffs)

for

Terry
Bass

This is probably a bit of a lowball offer from Portland's side, but I think it has some positives for the Mavs. Bass for Frye is kinda a wash for both teams, but Frye can probably stretch the defense better than Bass can. Plus he doesn't give up as much size in the post as Bass does.

Then the deal basically boils down to Miles, Green and Portland's pick (around 15-20) for Terry. In terms of overall talent, they do take a hit, but they get a solid first round pick and a player with some potential in Green. But the big thing for the Mavs is that they basically cut Terry's contract in half by swapping Terry for Miles.

itsgotime · Post #18 » by **itsgotime** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:52 pm

Hmmmm, that is intriguing. How good is Green and his potential? We have JJB as our 3rd PG, he is a good PG but I think his talent has capped already. He would be a good backup on a playoff team, but not what's needed to contend for titles. If Green is better than that, and Miles is good enough to start on our team, I might not have too much a problem with this.

Those are two big if's and would be more willing if you take out Green, add Jack and we add EJ (expiring contract next year). That is also if Jack is good enough to be a backup PG for a title contender. I like the idea of pushing JHo down to the SG spot and getting a more help side defending type of 3. Miles can do that, and the change in scenery as well as our already really good locker room might help him live up to his hype...

Lots of if's in that, however I think Frye is probably an upgrade to what we use Bass for currently. Although, Bass has a good chance at making a really big splash in the playoffs and being pretty much untradable for our FO (they fall in love with players pretty easily).

Post #19 » by **BlackMamba** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:59 pm

well, supposedly the blazers are in a hunt to cut the most money for next summer, then, taking terry would mess up that idea.

don't get me wrong, i would really like to have terry as a blazer, he's a good veteran, good ball handeler and can score and shoot.

but i don't know if that would be the way the blazers are going or not.

Post #20 » by **Spykes** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:03 pm

Nate McMillan was really high on Green before the season started and he probably would have gotten a chance to show what he can do if the team hadn't of unexpectedly started to win games. Green's main talents are that he's a great 3pt shooter and a pesky defender. Plus, a lot of people credit Green as being the motor that made that Florida team go.

I'm pretty reluctant to throw in Jack or Webster into this deal since Portland has to take on a LOT of salary in this deal. Even with trading their worst contract in Miles, the Blazers are still taking on an extra 23 million over 2 extra years. That's not a tiny thing that can be overlooked.