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My key question is should we have an interest in Vince as he could likely be had pretty cheaply IMO. NJ seems to be blowin it up. Would you guys think something like Raef and then Webs or Jack or Frye (or some combo of them) and this yrs pick could get it done? Would you want it done?

Vince just turned 31, still scoring over 20 PPG, his extension he just signed has 3 more years after this at an avg of 16 mil or so.

Is he worth considering or not?

No way, no thanks. Don't want him anywhere near our team.

cucad8 wrote:No way, no thanks. Don't want him anywhere near our team.

Is he that bad? I seem to hear more about KIDD always havin problems - is Carter a cancer?

Well, for one, his contract sucks, for what we would get out of him. He would play out of position at SF for us, and doesn't offer the 3 point shooting we need with Roy dominating the ball. He quit on his team in Toronto when things weren't going great for him, and my guess is he is part of the reason Kidd doesn't like it in NJ.

I'd much rather be in on conversations with free agents in 09 than be saddled with Carter. He's avoided injury lately, but lest we forget that Carter has been an injury magnet. Good player when healthy, but he's injured way to often to trade anything significant for him--let alone rely on him.

No Carter, with a contract like his he can't be had for cheap. He may put up good numbers, but he is not very competitive and his play will not likely translate into wins.

cucad8 wrote:Well, for one, his contract sucks, for what we would get out of him. He would play out of position at SF for us, and doesn't offer the 3 point shooting we need with Roy dominating the ball.

Not that I want Carter, but he is a career 37.5% three point shooter and has been over 40% several times in his career. That makes him a pretty darned good three point shooter. Not James Jones or Kapono, but darned good.

He quit on his team in Toronto when things weren't going great for him, and my guess is he is part of the reason Kidd doesn't like it in NJ.

That's a better reason not to like him, along with the fact that he is a bit injury prone historically, seems to have peaked production-wise, and yet still has several very expensive years contract-wise. I'm of the philosophy that it's almost always better to cut a player loose one year too early than one year too late from both a trade and a chemistry perspective, but in Vince's case it would be Rod Thorne doing the one-year early cut.

Pass.

I lobbied for a Zach trade for Carter. But tht was to get us some national attention and a change from Zach. That was also when we were nowhere near the playoffs.

Carter disappears in the playoffs! Even in his prime he never took things over. With JKidd and Jefferson all firing he played TERRIBLY. he's just not a play-off player. Plus the injuries...I'm not sure how many more he can take.
(I would accept him for Raef and Darius. Nothing else ie raef and Joel etc.)

a few years ago i would thought of maybe. right now i say no and no and an absolute no.

God no

His two better season in the past few years have been in contract years. Not even worth Darius and Raef straight up for him. He's officially washed up. That contract is dreadful.

In any NJ deal, Raef's contract would have to be a major part
of it. I'd rather trade for Kidd due to the length of his contract
even if they only took back Raef and Green.

Absolutely not, for reasons already stated. He's earned his "Wince Harder" nickname and I like the way the touches are distributed right now.

What about Jason Kidd? I apologize if there is another thread that I overlooked. But it just makes a lot of sense to me. You have Lafrentz' contract that instantly makes any trade doable with Kidd, and have the plethora of non-core youngsters that should interest NJ.

Enough said
unless it was straight up for raef/miles

If we could get something done that focused around maybe '08 1st + Miles + Jack + filler for Carter OR Kidd, I'd be down.

No thanks to Cater.

I definately would welcome a trade for Kidd.
As I have said in other threads and on other boards I think a trade for Kidd could benfit both teams.

I proposed:
LaFrentz
Webster
Jack
2008 #1 (Top 3 protected)

for

Kidd

Napoleon7 wrote:No thanks to Cater.

I definately would welcome a trade for Kidd.
As I have said in other threads and on other boards I think a trade for Kidd could benfit both teams.

I proposed:
LaFrentz
Webster
Jack
2008 #1 (Top 3 protected)

for

Kidd

Too rich for a rent-a-player IMO. Pass.

Great, now there is vomit on the floor......

I'm a Nets fan and Carter would be good for your team if it was a one year deal but we were stupid enough to sign him long term.

Also someone stated Carter would play out of position at the SF. In his Toronto days, he played mostly SF.