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Hey guys,

I don't know if you've seen this already; if you have, say so and I'll delete the thread but in the meantime...

Kevin Pelton posted a really interesting article about Brandon Roy here a couple of days ago (Jan 31st) and it was a great read, so I thought I'd share.

I don't remember seeing this, Tyler, and it's a very good article. Thanks!

good article, thanks for link

I'm not exactly sure what he means by "step-through" move though. Someone help out with youtube example?

Wizenheimer wrote:good article, thanks for link

I'm not exactly sure what he means by "step-through" move though. Someone help out with youtube example?

Picture a guy in the post with his back to his defender on the left block.

He turns (left foot pivoting) around towards his defender, pointing his right foot toward the lane and then takes the turn a little further and steps so that his right leg is across the defender, his body protecting the ball. One dribble, BAM!, you're at the rim. You can mix in jab steps and pump fakes and stuff the way Roy does.

It's a classic move, functional from the post or from triple-threat if you're defender is close enough. In the post, it's a good counter to have if the opponent is taking away the spin move.

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Picture a guy in the post with his back to his defender on the left block.

He turns (left foot pivoting) around towards his defender, pointing his right foot toward the lane and then takes the turn a little further and steps so that his right leg is across the defender, his body protecting the ball. One dribble, BAM!, you're at the rim. You can mix in jab steps and pump fakes and stuff the way Roy does.

It's a classic move, functional from the post or from triple-threat if you're defender is close enough. In the post, it's a good counter to have if the opponent is taking away the spin move.

That's what I thought it was. John Wooden used to teach it to his big men. Bill Walton was very good at it. Swen Nater had the move to, although he was slower then moss. Mchale-the-human-post-up-machine was great at it.

I can't recall Roy using the classic version of it much although he may have some variation I haven't noticed. I'll look for it in the future.

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That's what I thought it was. John Wooden used to teach it to his big men. Bill Walton was very good at it. Swen Nater had the move to, although he was slower then moss. Mchale-the-human-post-up-machine was great at it.

I can't recall Roy using the classic version of it much although he may have some variation I haven't noticed. I'll look for it in the future.

He uses it out of the triple-threat when he sucks his man in towards him after having established his jumper.

Any post player worth his salt uses it; Hell, *I* use it every day at school, lol. It's a great move because it's got so many counter options, like the spin back into the lane for a jump hook or a stutter into a fadeaway, etc.

It's just good use of the pivot, that's all.

On the topic of Roy, you guys might want to hop over to page 11 of the WC All-Star Snubs thread where some folks have been discussing Roy and Davis. I just posted something you might find interesting.

tsherkin wrote:On the topic of Roy, you guys might want to hop over to page 11 of the WC All-Star Snubs thread where some folks have been discussing Roy and Davis. I just posted something you might find interesting.

I read it and thanks for the analysis. I don't think the most outraged Warrior fans will find it persuasive...I think they're enjoying their outrage, frankly, and are hoping Davis shares it and will use it as motivation for the rest of the season.

I don't think many people who have only seen the blazers 3 or 4 times understand just how effectively Roy can control not only the blazers, but at times the game. It's remarkable for somebody who has played a grand total of 103 games to this point.

Like you said: Davis is an all-star level player. But then, so is Roy. And it's simply not surprising that coaches prefer the type of game Roy plays to that of Davis. As a matter of fact, it was quite predictable.

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I read it and thanks for the analysis. I don't think the most outraged Warrior fans will find it persuasive...I think they're enjoying their outrage, frankly, and are hoping Davis shares it and will use it as motivation for the rest of the season.

I would be hoping for much the same thing... if I was a fan of any other team in the West, lol. Baron Davis mad makes even worse decisions than when he's got a "calm" mind. He's everything I said.

I don't think many people who have only seen the blazers 3 or 4 times understand just how effectively Roy can control not only the blazers, but at times the game. It's remarkable for somebody who has played a grand total of 103 games to this point.

I think it shocks people that someone who's so comparatively unathletic, or rather, who doesn't exploit his athleticism as garishly as others is so successful. He reminds me a little of Oscar Robertson in his methodical, paced approach to the game. Oscar, of course, was a great deal more athletic than he generally displayed and much moreso than Roy but that same basic mentality is what drove his game. Good pace, always watching, beautifully observant and ready to take advantage of any mistakes the defense made. And of course, he's money from mid-range, even moreso than I had initially realized or suspected from having watched what Blazers games I have seen this aand last year.

Like you said: Davis is an all-star level player. But then, so is Roy. And it's simply not surprising that coaches prefer the type of game Roy plays to that of Davis. As a matter of fact, it was quite predictable.

Of course. And it should remain so in the forseeable future.

Brandon Roy is Will Munny, I said it before. Baron Davis is just English Bob.