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What would you be willing to give up for a guy like Miller? I'd still like to see him be part of the Blazers. I think Martell and a pick would have to be part of the deal, though the offers the Griz fans are getting and accepting are surprisingly low.

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Not big on giving up Martell at all. Even though Miller would probably start I'm not big on giving up Martell.

I've given some thought to the idea of trading for Miller. I think if Portland would be willing to take on Cardinal he may be had for a bit cheaper. Acquiring Miller pretty much puts the kabosh on the cap space plan so taking on Cardinal may not be a deal killer at that point.

He has a pretty big contract, I'd rather see Martell get those minutes personally.

not a fan of miller

Miller is amazing this season, but he's still a bad defender. We dont have any expirings (unless the Grizzlies bank on Jones deciding to opt out this summer), and I wouldn't like to give away Webster for him - though he does become redundant if Miller arrives.

Miller could probably mesh pretty well with the current starters for this year. Looking at his career though, Miller probably hit his ceiling last year and into this year. He would be well on the decline when the rest of the team is peaking.

I was thinking of Jones as well. I'm not sure what the issue is with his knee and unless it is a concern going into the off-season, I can't see why Jones would not opt out. He is set to make $3.1 million next year. With his 3 point shooting prowess, I could easily see him getting a 4 year deal starting at $4 or $5 million in the off season.

I think that Mike miller would have been nice to acquire LAST season when this team had no perimeter shooters but Blake, Jones, Martell, and even Outlaw have become decent 3 pt threats so this team's need for 3 pt shooters has diminished. I like Miller and wouldn't be upset if the Blazers aquired him but I don't think it's necessary and I am equally happy with not aquiring him.

Not sure the Griz would do this.. .

Brown
Cardinal
Miller

for

Webster
Jack
LeFrentz

The thing is Webster could become Miller
but a little more well rounded.. .Im just
not sure Webster can do that on the
Blazers. Im saying that because of
Roy, Outlaw and Jones, not to
mention Jack now.. .All of
those players buy into
Websters time in
some way.. .

I think, hope actually, that in two years Martell will be a better player than Miller.

In his third year out of HS Miller averaged 11.9 points, 4.0 rebounds and 1.7 assists in 29.1 minutes on percentages of: FG% 43.6, 3pt% 40.7, FT% 71.1. For this he won a ROY.

In his third year out of HS Webster is averaging 10.4 points, 3.9 rebounds and 1.4 assists in 28.3 minutes on percentages of: FG 41.8%, 3pt% 37.6, FT% 73.3.

Already now I'd say Martell is the better defender. I see no reason to trade him for Miller.

I would make a play for him, but only if it came really really cheap. Something like...

Memphis Trades
-Mike Miller
-Brian Cardinal

Portland Trades
-Raef LaFrentz
-Jarrett Jack
-Conditional future 1st round pick


This deal screws up our cap space, but I doubt we can sign a FA with more talent than Miller the summer of 2009.

Mike Miller has the ballhandling ability to enable a super tall, super talented starting guard lineup of Roy/Miller. Its a unconventional idea that could pay off big.

PG- Brandon Roy(6'6)/Steve Blake(6'2)/Sergio Rodriguez(6'3)
SG- Mike Miller(6'9)/Rudy Fernandez(6'5)
SF- Martell Webster(6'8)/James Jones(6'9)
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge(6'11)/Travis Outlaw(6'9)/Channing Frye(6'10)
C- Greg Oden(7'1)/Joel Pryzbilla(7'1)

That is a incredibly unique team. One of the tallest in NBA history with the ability to run like the Suns at times. If Roy struggles with faster PG's at times, you move him back to SG and put Blake at PG. Putting this many great shooters around Oden would demolish the competition.

The problem with keeping Webster is he has to
fight for mins here which will slow down or even
stunt his growth in his game. Now, if the Blazers
thin the roster out clearing more time for Webster
to get around 35mpg then I would think twice about
trading him for Miller. Webster has the room to be
better then Miller down the road but will the Blazers
give him the room to grow & do that?? With how the
team is built now, no I dont see it happening.. .

But then again you could give Webster 35mpg and he
could end up just becoming a little better then he is now.

lol

well, martell could end up being a kind of player miller is, with a great shooting han, so i don't see why give up on him yet.

BlackMamba wrote:well, martell could end up being a kind of player miller is, with a great shooting han, so i don't see why give up on him yet.

Because mpg = growth in most cases.

This Blazers team is pretty crowded.. .

The problem with keeping Sergio is he has to
fight for mins here which will slow down or even
stunt his growth in his game. Now, if the Blazers
thin the roster out clearing more time for Sergio
to get around 35mpg then I would think twice about
trading him for Harris. Sergio has the room to be
better then Harris down the road but will the Blazers
give him the room to grow & do that?? With how the
team is built now, no I dont see it happening.. .

But then again you could give Sergio 35mpg and he
could end up just becoming a little better then he is now.


...

Yeah I figured I'd use this piece of humor by altering Odd's comments on Webster towards Sergio, seeing as that's a much better target for that quote than Webster.

For one, Webster only has 1 other true SF on the roster(Jones) unless you count Miles(hah!), or the guy our coach has been quoted as saying is a PF(Outlaw).

Sergio meanwhile has Blake, Roy and Jack all ahead of him in the lineup to varying degrees, Webster meanwhile is starting and getting plenty of minutes to develop his game.

...

As to the topic at hand, I think trading for Miller isn't a bad idea, but trading Martell for him would be a mistake of epic(think JO style) proportions... We'd be trading a guy who does much the same thing who's still college age for a guy who's already peaked.

SalemStoner wrote:The problem with keeping Sergio is he has to
fight for mins here which will slow down or even
stunt his growth in his game. Now, if the Blazers
thin the roster out clearing more time for Sergio
to get around 35mpg then I would think twice about
trading him for Harris. Sergio has the room to be
better then Harris down the road but will the Blazers
give him the room to grow & do that?? With how the
team is built now, no I dont see it happening.. .

But then again you could give Sergio 35mpg and he
could end up just becoming a little better then he is now.


...

Yeah I figured I'd use this piece of humor by altering Odd's comments on Webster towards Sergio, seeing as that's a much better target for that quote than Webster.

For one, Webster only has 1 other true SF on the roster(Jones) unless you count Miles(hah!), or the guy our coach has been quoted as saying is a PF(Outlaw).

Sergio meanwhile has Blake, Roy and Jack all ahead of him in the lineup to varying degrees, Webster meanwhile is starting and getting plenty of minutes to develop his game.

...

As to the topic at hand, I think trading for Miller isn't a bad idea, but trading Martell for him would be a mistake of epic(think JO style) proportions... We'd be trading a guy who does much the same thing who's still college age for a guy who's already peaked.

Haha!!
.. .

In todays age players dont fight spot for spot
because one player plays multi spots. So Web
is fighting Jones, Outlaw, Roy, Jack. I know
some people wont see it like that but its true.
Then when Rudy comes thats one more.. .

Mr Odd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Haha!!
.. .

In todays age players dont fight spot for spot
because one player plays multi spots. So Web
is fighting Jones, Outlaw, Roy, Jack. I know
some people wont see it like that but its true.
Then when Rudy comes thats one more.. .

You're right on that front, but I also think it's much more realistic that it's going to squeeze the guys on the back end of the rotation(ie Sergio, Jones, Frye, Jack) than it will squeeze the guys on the front end(Webster, Blake, Outlaw) unless a guy like Rudy manages to supplant them...

Honestly though, Webster has shown more improvement in 3 years than any of our other kids have in the same(or similar time frames). He's shown an ability to do more than the things we were getting out of HS(aka shooting) and in fact those other things(rebounding, man D, moving without the ball) are why he's starting at SF over the alternatives.

While I think our team is going to have serious playing time issues next year, I really don't see many situations where Webster gets less than 24 mpg and I think that's plenty of time to improve ones game at the pro level.

I think our big playing time issues are going to be at 4 and the 1/2(aka whichever guard spot Roy isn't at).

As it stands we have 3 players at both positions that are fairly similar in terms of talent/production/effectiveness.

PF is alot clearer in that we have 3 good-great prospects there in LMA, Outlaw and Frye, and that next year with Oden taking approx half the game at C will cut dramatically either Frye, Outlaw or both's minutes.

In PG we have a solid vet(Blake), a combo guard(Jack) and a young PG who's very up and down(Sergio)... next year we're also adding another young combo guard(Rudy). This is a big issue, because even before we add the new combo guard we're experiencing issues getting our other young guard on the court. This means even if we trade Jack this off season we could still be in a situation where either Rudy or Sergio aren't getting the PT they need to develop.

Basically what I'm saying is moving Webster just creates a new hole, while not actually addressing any problems... And that clearing PT for him isn't really needed, it's needed more at 2 other positions than his by a fairly wide margin when looking ahead to next year.

I'm a fan of Miller. I like him allot, but with the progress of our 3's this year and Miller's salary considerations I wouldn't consider trading for him.
If Memphis wants to start talking of a package around Miller / Conley then I would listen.

I like Webster!! I hope I wasnt coming off like I didnt.

I like Miller tho too!! I think we need some vets that are
around the 5th-7th season in their career like him to put
around Roy, LMA and Oden. If you can keep Roy, LMA,
Oden, Outlaw & Rudy then I think you go hard
after a player like Miller.. .Just my opinion.

I don't think you hate Webster, I also agree that going after Miller isn't a bad idea because he's a better player than what we already have at either SG/SF(assuming Roy = PG). What I was trying to say is that we shouldn't be looking to move Webster in a trade unless it brings back a better young SF(assuming of course there's one we actually believe to be a better fit for this team than him and under 25 or so). We should be looking to move one of our PFs(LMA, Frye, Outlaw) or one or more of our guards(Jack, Blake, Sergio, Rudy) and/or Jones. While I think Millelr is a nice SG/SF, I don't think mortaging our future for a similar player in the present is the type of trade KP is going to make right now regardless. Jack, Frye and Jones for Miller? Yeah sure now we're talking... as soon as Webster's name is brought up in this trade scenario it's hang up time however.

edit: I should also note, that as much as I love LMA, I think given the other PFs on the roster that trading him for a top tier PG isn't out of the question assuming one were to be available to us. I think it's very likely we could goto a frontline of Oden and Outlaw or Oden and Frye and not lose too much if we could gain a premeir PG in exchange. Just an idea to rattle around... maybe I'm just crazy tho.