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Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:26 pm**

I don't expect the Trail Blazers to make a forced move prior to the NBA trade deadline, but if they make one, don't be shocked if it included point guard Jarrett Jack.

I don't like the idea of the Blazers doing a thing, unless it's a sweetheart of a deal.

One NBA Eastern Conference GM said he believed the Blazers were shopping Jack, and wanted future draft picks in return. The thinking being that drafting Jack wasn't a Kevin Pritchard move (Steve Blake's signing and Sergio Rodriguez's pick were) and that Portland is going to need to move a body or two to free up room next season for the arrival of, at least, Rudy Fernandez and Greg Oden, and possibly a first-round pick.

I can see Jack to Orlando for their pick and the rights to Vazquez.

Toronto is another long-rumoured destination. If they're worried about Ford's long-term situation getting one of Bosh's friends might not be a bad move.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:37 pm**

Thats interesting.. .

Basically clearing a spot for a pick and filler.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:57 pm**

Jack's worth is a very late 1st round pick at best. I remember the Spurs were interested in him, but now they've got Mighty Mouse in addition to Vaughn and Parker...but maybe they'll take him for the long term, as both Barry and Finley are expiring and could be gone.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:58 pm**

Cleveland could actually trade him straight up (or at least they recently could) for a pick since they have a TE from David Wesley...

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:02 pm**

Billy wrote:Cleveland could actually trade him straight up (or at least they recently could) for a pick since they have a TE from David Wesley...

You think they would want Jack or a pick around 16-22??

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:03 pm**

this shouldn't surprise anyone. I think the moves Prichard will make in the offseason will go as follows

1.) Look for a talent upgrade/move up in draft
2.) Dump Darius Miles
3.) Open roster spots by trading for future picks.

If we have several future picks along with Raef's expiring contract and several young players that could be a really strong trading piece next year.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:19 pm**

oh boy!...another thread preparing for take-off based upon unsourced (made up?) john canzano conjecture.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:23 pm**

Well, there's one Jazz fan who's in favour of trading Utah's lottery protected 1st round pick this year for Jack:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... 0#15475360

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:43 pm**

I think Jack is worth a mid-last first round pick. We don't value him as much as other teams will. Let's not forget that Jack is still pretty young and could work really well on specific teams in this league.

Personally, if we got another pick I would package it in a trade to move up in a draft. A 15th pick with a 20th pick could easily get you a 5-8th pick, where TowelBoy's Bayless may be available

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:58 pm**

SinceClyde wrote:I think Jack is worth a mid-last first round pick. We don't value him as much as other teams will. Let's not forget that Jack is still pretty young and could work really well on specific teams in this league.

Personally, if we got another pick I would package it in a trade to move up in a draft. A 15th pick with a 20th pick could easily get you a 5-8th pick, where TowelBoy's Bayless may be available

That would be sweet. Sounds like Harris might be on his way to NJ, so if I'm correct in my analysis (and KP concurs...) that this is the type of guard that fits next to Roy down the line (not a pure PG, but a combo type who can lock down on D), then this upcoming draft becomes important.

I'm all for dealing Jack for a pick.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:19 pm**

SinceClyde wrote:I think Jack is worth a mid-last first round pick. We don't value him as much as other teams will. Let's not forget that Jack is still pretty young and could work really well on specific teams in this league.

Personally, if we got another pick I would package it in a trade to move up in a draft. A 15th pick with a 20th pick could easily get you a 5-8th pick, where TowelBoy's Bayless may be available

are you serious??

if portland had the 6th pick in this draft, there's almost no chance KP would trade it got the 15th and 20th pick. And I think almost all GM's would feel the same way.

It's one thing to move from 2nd to 4th like the bulls did in the aldridge/thomas trade, or 6th to 7th in the roy/foye trade, or 3rd to 6th in the paul/webster trade. And most of those trades had players and 2nd round picks as further inducement.

But 6th to 15th is too big a drop.

In reality portland may be picking 13th, but even then, moving up 5 spots to the 8th would take more then the 20th pick in the same draft.

Portland would have a much better chance of moving up from 13 to the 8th or 9th by adding jack as part of the package, rather then a 20th pick.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:21 pm**

Wizenheimer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

are you serious??

if portland had the 6th pick in this draft, there's almost no chance KP would trade it got the 15th and 20th pick. And I think almost all GM's would feel the same way.

It's one thing to move from 2nd to 4th like the bulls did in the aldridge/thomas trade, or 6th to 7th in the roy/foye trade, or 3rd to 6th in the paul/webster trade. And most of those trades had players and 2nd round picks as further inducement.

But 6th to 15th is too big a drop.

In reality portland may be picking 13th, but even then, moving up 5 spots to the 8th would take more then the 20th pick in the same draft.

Portland would have a much better chance of moving up from 13 to the 8th or 9th by adding jack as part of the package, rather then a 20th pick.

There was a lot of talk last summer about Phoenix moving into the high lottery using their two picks in the 20s. Wiz, do you remember what those details were?

It seems to me something like #13, #22, and a sweetener like Sergio could realistically be used to get into the mid lottery. If it really means a lot to us, we could include Outlaw for a "bad" contract.

Posted: **Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:42 pm**

TowelBoy12 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There was a lot of talk last summer about Phoenix moving into the high lottery using their two picks in the 20s. Wiz, do you remember what those details were?

It seems to me something like #13, #22, and a sweetener like Sergio could realistically be used to get into the mid lottery. If it really means a lot to us, we could include Outlaw for a "bad" contract.

if by mid-lottery you meant around 9 or 10, then that's probably realistic. Getting up to 6 or 5 isn't in my view.

As far a trading Outlaw, if portland is going to do that, I think they'd be better served going after a veteran player rather then an unproven college one, especially a 19 year old PG prospect.

of course a package of Outlaw, Jack, Lafrentz's expiring, Kaponen and the 13th pick may actually fetch a pretty good veteran or 2, AND the 8th or 9th pick...maybe even a step or 2 higher.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:45 am**

Wizenheimer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

are you serious??

if portland had the 6th pick in this draft, there's almost no chance KP would trade it got the 15th and 20th pick. And I think almost all GM's would feel the same way.

It's one thing to move from 2nd to 4th like the bulls did in the aldridge/thomas trade, or 6th to 7th in the roy/foye trade, or 3rd to 6th in the paul/webster trade. And most of those trades had players and 2nd round picks as further inducement.

But 6th to 15th is too big a drop.

In reality portland may be picking 13th, but even then, moving up 5 spots to the 8th would take more then the 20th pick in the same draft.

Portland would have a much better chance of moving up from 13 to the 8th or 9th by adding jack as part of the package, rather then a 20th pick.

Okay so I may be off in my estimation for pick value, but I do think that with an extra pick like that, it becomes much more possible. If KP wants it, he can get it. Lets say KP gets a pick from Utah at 20 (or a pick near that) with memphis's 2nd rnd pick, you can move up, and then indianas? both good early 2ns rnd picks.

Portland has the assets to do it. The trick is doing what KP does pretty well, and listen to everything.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:55 am**

I don't see many teams out there that will send us a first for Jack right now. There probably aren't that many teams desperate to add Jarret for the playoffs this year, but I could be wrong.

I expect we'll see a similar situation to what we did last year at draft time, rumors about sending Jack for different picks in the mid first (perhaps dropping a bit lower this year into late first) or Jack packaged with our 1st to move up a couple spots.

Now that we're out of the Harris running I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KP working overtime to get us into position in the draft to get one of the multitude of combo guards. Jack seems like one of the obvious barter pieces in that scenario.

Portland has the assets to do it. The trick is doing what KP does pretty well, and listen to everything.

Totally agree with that.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:57 am**

Wizenheimer wrote:oh boy!...another thread preparing for take-off based upon unsourced (made up?) john canzano conjecture.

That's not fair--not all of Canzano's reports are conjecture. Many are rumor and inuendo, too.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:48 am**

mojomarc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's not fair--not all of Canzano's reports are conjecture. Many are rumor and inuendo, too.

do you suppose he's ever engaged in conjecture based upon a rumor of inuendo? I know he has negative talent, but could it have descended to a master's level?

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:35 am**

So if we do trade Jack for a first-round pick (a trade I would very seriously consider if I was in Pritchard's shoes), we'd have the following picks:

-Lottery Pick
-1st-rounder, 15,25
-2nd-rounder, 31-35
-2nd-rounder, 31-35
-2nd-rounder, 50-60

Insanity.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:21 pm**

I would love to have Jack, in Orlando, but I only see this if we can somehow dump one of our expiring contracts. That of Garrity, Dooling,or Arroyo. And most likely Dooling is staying so it would have to be either Garrity or Carlos. We would be abe to throw a first also, but we would need someone else from you to make salaries work. Is Frye tradeable also or no? We could use a big body next to Dwight.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:38 pm**

Portland needs all the big bodies they can get. Frye is worth more than a throw-in for Portland. I'd actually really like to have Arroyo, but Portland can't afford to part with more than Jack for just a late first rounder.

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