Nate - Jack - Cav game.

Post #1 » by **Mr Odd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:27 am

Real question here.. .

Does Jack have blackmail on Nate or is Nate that stupid??

If you watched the game you know what im talking about.

I feel bad for Blake.. .he does great the past two games
and is doing good this game but cant get time in the 4th.

:banghead:

I just dont understand Nates thinking.

PDXKnight · Post #2 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:33 am

There's also the fact that he kept LA out for quite a while knowing that Cleveland is a fourth quarter team and also knowing that he was our only consistent offense tonight. To Nate's credit, he's starting to play Joel more but he definitely forces me to question his coaching abilities sometimes.

TBpup · Post #3 » by **TBpup** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:35 am

...definitely forces me to question his coaching abilities sometimes.

His what? Someone's sig is perfect. Nate is a good motivator but a poor coach...or something like that.

:starwars

kumquat · Post #4 » by **kumquat** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:38 am

Apparently we could have picked Chris Paul in 2005 and all these problems would be solved.

Post #5 » by **Mr Odd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:39 am

Yea its good hes playing Joel more at the
end of games & I understand you have to
sit players for breaks. I just dont get why
you sit out a player that has been doing
great on this road trip for way longer then
a rest break while keeping in a guy that
is doing horrible. Just trying to figure it out.

:-?

Also Roy had a off game so that plays into
the loss, but this isnt about the loss this is
about trying to figure out confusing coaching.

TradeMachine · Post #6 » by **TradeMachine** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:40 am

The amount leash he gets from Nate is disturbing. We completely lost our momentum and our offense went to **** when Jack entered the game in the third.

Post #7 » by **Mr Odd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:41 am

kumquat wrote:Apparently we could have picked Chris Paul in 2005 and all these problems would be solved.

Haha thats tough to think about, but then
we probably wouldnt have Roy, LMA, Oden.
(Oden is unproven but still.. .)

J~Rush · Post #8 » by **J~Rush** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:44 am

TradeMachine wrote:The amount of leash he gets from Nate is disturbing. We completely lost our momentum and our offense went to **** when Jack entered the game in the third.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Jack had a -15 +/- rating for the game. By far the worst on the whole team. (Frye had -11)

http://www.nba.com/games/20080310/PORCLE/boxscore.html

Khazim · Post #9 » by **Khazim** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:50 am

I'm not going to call Nate a bad coach, and I don't think Jack is a horrible player, but there is no way in hell that Jarrett should have been on the floor for the fourth tonight. It was brutally obvious how terrible he was tonight, and he absolutely killed any momentum we had. I think Nate is a very good coach, but he made a tremendous mistake tonight. A mistake that cost us a very potential win, that would have been a huge motivator.

541Blaza · Post #10 » by **541Blaza** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:53 am

Frye didn't even play bad though, he was just put in the game with TRAVIS AT POWER FORWARD. How in the **** are we going to be successful with Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw as our big men? Gimme a break, Travis and Joel, Channing and Joel, Channing and Aldridge, Travis and Aldridge, that's all good, but Travis and Channing? :banghead:

Like TBPup said, Nate is a great motivator, bad coach. Just like Jack is a great vocal leader and energizer, bad player.

:noway:

Khazim · Post #11 » by **Khazim** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:58 am

541Blaza wrote:Just like Jack is a great vocal leader and energizer, bad player.

I think Jarret's vocal motivation can be a boost to our team, but his down in the dumps, hang your head in shame crap hurts us a lot more. Not to mention his seemingly inhuman ability to make costly mistakes at the worst possible time.

Butter · Post #12 » by **Butter** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:23 am

Who was the coach when John Starks went 3-14 for the Knicks? Maybe coaches think players will eventually snap out of it?

It just doesn't make sense that Nate would pull other players so quickly and give Jack a blank check.

Post #13 » by **Mr Odd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:23 am

Khazim wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think Jarret's vocal motivation can be a boost to our team, but his down in the dumps, hang your head in shame crap hurts us a lot more. Not to mention his seemingly inhuman ability to make costly mistakes at the worst possible time.

Jack can be a vocal motivator from the bench.. .
Hopefully next season he can be it from a phone.

Dogmont · Post #14 » by **Dogmont** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:39 am

Jack can be a pretty good backup 2, he is a great finisher going to the hoop, but i HATE it when he has the ball in his hands trying to run the offense. He doesn't know what's going on on the floor, where guys need to be, and is a liability in the crunch. BUT, give him the ball and let him get to the hoop...occasionally. I don't see him or Travis on this team next year. We need reliability and consistency.

Post #15 » by **Mr Odd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:47 am

When I watched Jack wave off Roy three times in
the 4th I wanted to fly to the game and smack
some sense into him. I loved it the last time he
waved off Roy, he tossed the ball into LMA, which
was good but he tossed the ball into LMA when
LMA had two defenders on him, then Jack after
passing to LMA didnt leave the area so then
Jacks man went right over to LMA, now LMA
had three guys trapping him & that lead to a
turn over. Then Roy just lowerd his head after
that and ran up the court to play defense.. .

Jack went on to play 2 more mins before Nate
put Blake back in but by that time the Blazers
were down to much for a come back to make
up for the mistakes of Nate and Jack.. .

Its just a bad combo. One of them HAS to go
in this coming offseason. LETS GO PRITCHARD!

UGotThrilled · Post #16 » by **UGotThrilled** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:58 am

Maybe if Jack keeps doing that he will piss Roy off enough and Roy will chase him out of town this offseason like he did to Randolph.

blazerbasketbal · Post #17 » by **blazerbasketbal** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:51 am

Agree with all the sentiment on this topic. Usually I don't complain much when Jack's on the floor because at times he's typically the only one that's willing to penetrate and draw the foul (outside of Roy, that is). But today!

-Held the ball at the top of the key every play down the court for at least 5 seconds, completely shutting off any momentum we had when Blake was in and preventing any easy baskets.
-Threw terrible entry passes to LMA and Roy, like the one that led to the turnover.
-Gave up on defense (Damon Jones 3 in the fourth was like shooting in practice), not to mention his nonexistent help D on LB23.
-Smiled and laughed going into the game, and shrugged it off when he came out.

What bothered me the most was his lack of caring. Isn't he supposed to be our motivational support?

For me, the true test of Pritchard's capabilities as a GM will come in the form of trading/not trading Jack, or at least trying. It's obvious to most of us in the forum that Jack just doesn't have what it takes to play at the point. Get him off, trade for a legit point or draft Eric Gordon or Augustine or whoever we can get our hands on, keep Blake as a reliable backup pg, and see what happens next year.

Hopefully Nate figures out how to sub by then, too. Good grief.

NBAMAN2006 · Post #18 » by **NBAMAN2006** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:19 am

Jack must go.

Andre 2999 · Post #19 » by **Andre 2999** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:53 pm

Mr Odd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Jack can be a vocal motivator from the bench.. .
Hopefully next season he can be it from a phone.

Get 'er done, Pritchard!

Post #20 » by **Billy** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:44 pm

541Blaza wrote:Frye didn't even play bad though, he was just put in the game with TRAVIS AT POWER FORWARD. How in the **** are we going to be successful with Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw as our big men? Gimme a break, Travis and Joel, Channing and Joel, Channing and Aldridge, Travis and Aldridge, that's all good, but Travis and Channing?

Like TBPup said, Nate is a great motivator, bad coach. Just like Jack is a great vocal leader and energizer, bad player.

Sounds like an excellent question for Kevin Pritchard. And I'm sure he'll do his best to answer that in the summer. In the meantime, would Raef have been the better option?