Veteran PG topics

[Butter]

We've talked all about upgrading the PG spot. I think we've established that it would be a good idea. Now, who would be the best fit?

Assuming the Blazers include some package of: 2008 pick, Lafrentz, Jack, Outlaw, or Webster, or Frye, Miles (retiring???). I'd really like to focus on possible PG's instead of arguing over why the Blazers should move any of them for now.

Here is a really quick list of veteran PG's who would be an upgrade. Who knows if they'd ever be available.

Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Chauncey Billups
Gilbert Arenas
Jose Calderon
Baron Davis
Kirk Hinrich
TJ Ford
Andre Miller
Reymond Felton
Earl Watson
Mo Williams

I'm my mind, one of the most important things that a PG would need to do is break down the defense with dribble penetration AND be able to at least be a threat to shoot a 3. Its a given that they would need to be able to play some semblance of defense, and manage the offense. But that combination of penetration with some level of shooting will dramatically help with spacing.

Who would be the best fit talent and chemistry wise for the young Blazers next season?

[NBAMAN2006]

Mo Williams would be ideal, and probably not cost too much if we take on Gadzuric.

[Telfaire]

Hinrich would be even more ideal..

[Butter]

I'd really be interested in hearing what you think they'd cost, how they'd fit, why a team would move them, etc.

The more I look at the pieces that the Blazers will likely offer for someone like this, the more I think it'll be a team with a huge contract that needs to start rebuilding. Similar to the KG deal last year. Except the Blazers don't really have a young big like Jefferson to build the trade around.

[NBAMAN2006]

I personally think we could get Hinrich for LaFrentz, Webster, Frye and our highest 2nd round pick, as long as Chicago thinks their future backcourt is Gordon & Hughes/Sefolosha.

PG- Kirk Hinrich/Steve Blake/Sergio Rodriguez
SG- Brandon Roy/Rudy Fernandez
SF- Danilo Gallinari/James Jones/Travis Outlaw
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge/Travis Outlaw/Josh McRoberts
C- Greg Oden/Joel Pryzbilla/2nd rounder or Joel Freeland

I really know nothing about the Milwaukee franchise, so I cant really gague what they would want.

[Mr Odd]

Do-ables
Jose Calderon
Kirk Hinrich
Andre Miller
Reymond Felton
Earl Watson
Mo Williams

I think Jose or Reymond are the only true upgrades.

Mo is ok, but not worth a trade or sign.
Kirk is to up & down.
Miller is getting to old.
Earl has a good name but not a upgrade.

[AfricanSensation]

I don't know if you consider him an upgrade or not but contrary to popular belief TJ Ford is still alive
And imo he is a more likely option than anyone in the list since I doubt that he would quietly accept being Jose Calderon sub for long now that he is healthy.

[Butter]

I don't know if you consider him an upgrade or not but contrary to popular belief TJ Ford is still alive
And imo he is a more likely option than anyone in the list since I doubt that he would quietly accept being Jose Calderon sub for long now that he is healthy.

I will add TJ Ford to the list.

[Butter]

Hinrich would be even more ideal..

Here is John Hollingers scouting report on Hinrich:

Scouting report: Hinrich is a combo guard who plays the point but usually defends the opposing shooting guard. He's a bit undersized for this at 6-foot-3, but his quickness, tenacity and willingness to take charges help him get by most nights. Hinrich made second-team All-Defense last season, which seemed a stretch -- big guards shoot over him quite often and there isn't much he can do about it. Still, his ability to defend the wings adequately helps the Bulls mask Ben Gordon's weaknesses.

Offensively, Hinrich has become much better at finishing around the basket. Last season he made 56.2 percent of his shots in the immediate basket area, after making 49.5 percent and 44.1 percent the previous two seasons. That and the improved 3-point accuracy accounted for most of his shooting percentage gain. He still prefers shooting from the left side of the floor, especially coming off a pick-and-roll going to his right, but he actually shot better from the right side last season.

Though he's not exactly a "true" point guard -- he was only 38th in assist ratio and doesn't penetrate as much as one might like -- Hinrich minimizes turnovers and his scoring more than makes up for the minor quibbles about his passing.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1981

[Dogmont]

Hinrich is a Steve Blake clone, that doesn'y shooy as well. Keep our two best pg's, and go for a pg in the draft.

[Butter]

Hinrich is a Steve Blake clone, that doesn'y shooy as well. Keep our two best pg's, and go for a pg in the draft.

My question is how well does Hinrich get to the rim and finish?

That is really my only big complaint about Blake. I'd really like to see a PG who can put pressure on the defense and get to the free throw line more often.

[SoHo]

I think Ford could be a solid pick up for us, but the chance of him having a serious injury is a huge risk. I don't think we'd be willing to give up very much for him because of that, and his big contract tied to that injury risk makes it hard to think of a deal that really works. We would have to include LaFrentz and TJ would probably kill the cap plan, so it's a really big risk.

I like the idea of Hinrich, I am still a believer that he can turn his game around and get back on track. He is of course on a pretty big contract, which is a blessing and a curse. It will make it easier to get him, I imagine, but more of a risk if he doesn't turn it around.

Calderon would be nice, but I really can't see the Raptors letting him go given his play and TJ's injury.

The other player I could see us going after is Mo Williams, but I definitely question whether he has the ability to play the defense Nate essentially requires from his PGs. Again with all the other PGs mentioned he has a bigger contract that means no more cap plan.

[Fitz303]

Devin Harris, Devin Harris, Devin Harris.. I could see NJ moving him this offseason for something a little cheaper (supposedly they wanted Jack). I would move Jack, Webster and whatever was needed to match salaries


Kirk Hinrich (not too bad of a choice. Steve Blake but with the ability to break down defenses)
Jose Calderon (going to be very tough to get)
Paul (wont happen)
DWill (not a chance)
Dre Miller (stop gap)
TJ Ford (perhaps.. Big risk, big reward. Would be had fairly cheap)

So in conclusion... Harris, Hinrich, Ford, and a long shot of Calderon.

I think all of those could be had with some mix of Jack, Webster, Raef, and perhaps Frye and/or the 1st rd pick

[SoHo]

^I really don't see NJ moving Harris. I think they'll try to build around him and RJ for the future and move Carter. Unless they really like Marcus Williams and want to completely rebuild I think Harris is going to be staying in NJ. If we were to take on Carter's ridiculous contract along with Harris maybe that has some potential, but then we would have to give up a lot, and I don't really have any desire to bring Carter here.

I think a lot of this veteran PG talk depends on the draft and how hard it is to move up. Any of the options we are talking about have already signed extensions that would certainly ruin the cap plan.

If there is any way that KP could move up in the draft to get us one of the top 3-4 guard prospects without totally killing the cap plan I think he'd look at that before dealing for a Harris or Hinrich type.

[blazersmaniac8]

So in conclusion... Harris, Hinrich, Ford, and a long shot of Calderon.

I think all of those could be had with some mix of Jack, Webster, Raef, and perhaps Frye and/or the 1st rd pick

That's what makes me excited for this offseason. ANY of those pg's would be nice in our starting lineup and we have a GOOD chance of gettin them without our top 3 core. Nice part about hinrich though is that his contract amount goes down each season since it was front loaded which will help when it comes time to reup our big 3

[BlackMamba]

of the doables mo williams and calder

[breaker91]

Interesting threat about TJ Ford. He is saying all the right things about being a back up, but apparently he had a recent performance in Orlando where he was pretty selfish. He had like 7 TOs in 15 minutes. I don't think even Jack could match that performance.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=769595

[Mr Odd]

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My question is how well does Hinrich get to the rim and finish?

That is really my only big complaint about Blake. I'd really like to see a PG who can put pressure on the defense and get to the free throw line more often.

Kirk does not break down defenses. Hes a outside
shooter first & will probably always look for that first.
On the defensive end he does hussle & takes charges.

I agree with you Butter, the Blazers need a PG who
can break down defenses first before anything else.
Hinrich is a nice player but does not fit that.. .

[zzaj]

Number 1 option should be Jose, the other guys are pretty much meh.

That said, Hinrich's perimeter D would be an upgrade and his shooting might improve with Oden and a developing post threat in LaMarcus.

[Khazim]

[quote="Mr Odd"][/quote]I agree that we need someone who will break down defenses with penetration, but I think Rudy will bring that. I personally think a lock down defender who can stop/slow the quick PGs is most pressing need at the point. Hinrich and Harris seem the best options for that.