Bulls moving Hinrich?

[TBpup]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080330-bulls-john-paxson-kirk-hinrich-chicago,1,3926259.story

A longer story but here is the pull quote:

Kirk Hinrich
Salary status: Four years, $36.5 million remaining

2007-08 strengths: Improved his on-court leadership skills.

2007-08 weaknesses: Regressed at defensive end, where he seemed to lose a step after making second-team All-Defense last season. Shooting percentage dipped to his career mark of 41 percent.

Crystal ball outlook: Despite his substandard season, Hinrich still has value. Bulls will move him as part of larger package to settle point-guard position.

I know this has been discussed before but this is someone other than Sam Smith out of Chicago making the point. Start your trade package ideas. Wonder if KP likes fellow Kansas alums?

[Telfaire]

It doesn't matter what we give, it's what the Bulls need, and we dont have it. They wont trade Hinrich for more depth because like us, they need to consolidate talent. We'll need to send Raef and prospects to a team like Indiana, but I think they'll want Hinrich for themselves anyway.

[BlackMamba]

maybe one or even two more teams involved can land the blazers hinrich and get the bulls what they need.


and i have a doubt. the bulls want to consolidate talent, as well as the blazers. so, if hinrich isn't a consolidate part of the bulls talent, will he be for the blazers?

i don't know if i expressed the right idea...

[Billy]

I said it in another thread, but I haven't been particularly big on Hinrich--but certainly could see the upside if you can get him on the cheap. Granted, I doubt that's the case. I honestly don't see why Chicago would look to move him as the next closest thing they have at PG is the shoot first Ben Gordon--who isn't a point guard. I know they are high on Sefolosha and that he's got some solid handles so maybe a 50/50 thing there with the back court.

There certainly are worse choices out there. Nate would be familiar with him working with Team USA which would be a plus.

His contract is actually more palatable than I initially thought.

[Telfaire]

maybe one or even two more teams involved can land the blazers hinrich and get the bulls what they need.


and i have a doubt. the bulls want to consolidate talent, as well as the blazers. so, if hinrich isn't a consolidate part of the bulls talent, will he be for the blazers?

i don't know if i expressed the right idea...

Read the article, out of Chicago's full backcourt, Hinrich is the most tradeable guard who's also expendable for the right offer, barring a sign and trade on Gordon.

[Telfaire]

OK, here's a 3-way I built around JO, based on the salaries listed in here:
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm
It should work capwise, once Hinrich's BYC status expires at the 1 of July, so I also added Gordon which complicates things a bit...

Pacers trade JO and Murphy for LaFrentz, Gooden, Blake and Gordon (5 year, 9 million per year deal):
Pacers rebuild around Gordon and their possible lottery pick, other guys expire next summer along with Foster and Daniles, plus Murphy is off the books.

Bulls trade Hinrich, Gooden and Gordon for JO, Frye and Jack:
Get their superstar and inside guy, Frye and Jack and cheaper replacements for Gooden and Gordon.

Blazers trade Reaf, Blake, Frye and Jack for Hinrich and Murphy:
I see Frye as expendable, Jack is not only that but a must-go. So it's giving away our capsapce in Raef for the upgrade from Blake to Hinrich which I find pretty singnificant. Murphy also hurts our cap but it wont matter anyway, and he could be good playing with Oden or LMA. We'll just need to hope that Webster becomes better than any SF we might've had a shot at.

Hinrich-Roy-Webster-LMA-Oden, with Rudy, Outlaw and Murphy as main guys off the bench. Sergio, Przy and Jones add the extra depth.

[Billy]

Taking on Murphy is too steep to me when Hinrich is the reward. I don't see Pritchard taking on another Raef-esque contract unless the pay out is sizeable--I don't see Hinrich as being that.

To me, if the price is that steep for Hinrich I'd much rather play the NBA Draft game and have the dough the following summer to at least sit down with Paul or Williams.

With the Murphy/Hinrich deal Portland is pretty well boxed in. Murphy is under contract for a long time at an absolutely huge rate--and would be nothing more than a backup with maybe an occasional spot start in place of Oden or Aldridge in case of injury. All of this for a point guard who Portland would be hoping is not going into some big regression.

If Portland could take on Hinrich by himself I'd be interested for the right price. Killing all hope of cap space just for Hinrich? Overpaying IMO.

[TradeMachine]

His performance last year: 16.6pts, 6.2asts, 3.4rbs, 44.8%FG, 41.5%3pt, 2.4tos in 35.5mins.

Add to that the second team all defense last season.

Dude is a gamer. He's a much, much better player than Blake on both ends of the floor, and would work well with Roy as a defensive stopper and shooter at PG. I sure hope KP makes a run at him.

[SoHo]

I think Hinrich would look a lot better on our team than he does in Chicago. Whenever you have two good big players in the frontcourt it opens up the outside and that is something that I'm sure Hinrich could take advantage of. Chicago's lack of anything in the post is really what makes me think he's a lot better than he's playing right now.

I also think he'll come at somewhat of a discount this summer because Chicago needs to trade one of their guards, and Hinrich (while probably the easiest to move) has a long contract and is coming off a not so great year. If we can't move up in the draft to get a player like Rose, Mayo, Bayless, or Augustin then I'd try to make a move for Hinrich.

People can ask whether Hinrich is the best we can do, but in reality that's pretty good. There aren't a lot of young-ish PGs that are available. Maybe we can get Calderon (if we're really lucky and pay a lot), I doubt Harris is still available, and the good PGs are going to go in the top 5 of this draft.

I'm still not entirely sold, but if we could get him for a package revolving around Jack and 13, I'd definitely consider it.

[Mr Odd]

As someone stated in another thread, which I stole & dumbed down.. .

"Is Hinrich the best the Blazers can do for a PG??"

[541Blaza]

As someone stated in another thread & which I stole dumbed down.. .

"Is Hinrich the best the Blazers can do for a PG??"

Agreed.

[Spykes]

Over the past week or so, I've really warmed to the idea of getting Hinrich.

I'm gonna be called crazy for this idea, but what about doing this deal?

Raef
Webster
Jack
Frye

for

Hinrich
Hughes

Hughes is a tough pill to swallow, but I think he could actually be a good player for us. KP wants a defensive stopper at SF, and that was Hughes' MO in Washington. If he can stay healthy, the Blazers make out pretty well here imo...

Hinrich/Blake/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
Hughes/Jones
Aldridge/Outlaw/McRoberts
Oden/Przybilla/Thabeet (#13)

I donno, just a thought.

[Mr Odd]

Interesting idea. I just dont know
if I like losing Frye & Webster.. .

I think I rather keep those two
then have Hinrich & Hughes.. .

I would be willing to part with Frye
& Webster if we got a better player
back. Im just not high on Kirk & Larry.

[Butter]

I really wonder what the Blazers would send them in a trade? It seems like the Bulls need a legit, back to the basket, low post threat. I don't know if the Blazers can offer that.

Maybe a three way? I wonder how happy the Bulls are with Gooden?

[Spykes]

I really wonder what the Blazers would send them in a trade? It seems like the Bulls need a legit, back to the basket, low post threat. I don't know if the Blazers can offer that.

Maybe a three way? I wonder how happy the Bulls are with Gooden?

Gooden has put up some really good stats for them, so I don't really get why he's in every Bulls trade idea. So I don't really see him being a player they need to move.

I think you may be right about needing a 3 way trade here though.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I'd gladly send Chicago a package built around some combination of Jack, Frye, LaFrentz, and our #13 pick in the draft (assuming we can't move up and get a point guard using that same package).

I tend to agree with SoHo that Hinrich would be in a much better position to thrive here. He's good at running a fast break and is actually inclined to do so often. He is a little overrated defensively, as this year proved, but he would fit here because his style is to get up in his man--it worked with Big Ben behind him and it would work with Oden behind him. He'd look like a stopper once again in a Blazers uniform. He's a streaky shooter, but he can create better than any guard other than Roy on our roster.

I'd be hesitant to give up Webster, Outlaw, or Przybilla but could probably be talked into giving up any one of the three.

[Spykes]

I'd be hesitant to give up Webster, Outlaw, or Przybilla but could probably be talked into giving up any one of the three.

As silly as it may seem to some, I wouldn't give up Przybilla to get him. I just think he's going to be incredibly valuable to us next season as Oden adjusts to the NBA and gets back into playing shape.

Outlaw? I'd want a better package coming back from Chicago to give him up. I certainly wouldn't be willing to take on Hughes contract and I'd probably want to see the Blazers grab Tyrus Thomas in the process. I'm really not a fan of his at all, but I think he's got potential and could do better on a team that isn't in complete disarray.

Anyhow, I tried my suggestion up on the Trade Board and it got mixed results. Impartial fans seemed to like it, or at the very least, recognized that the Bulls were getting good deal and would be very enticed by it. Bulls fans weren't nearly as welcoming. They seem to be fine with keeping Hughes' contract since they apparently think their team is going to be a big player in to 2010 FA market. That and they don't want more role players... I don't know what sort of "star" they think they can get out of Hinrich when he is coming off a bad year, has a big extension coming up and overall, really isn't a star himself.

They suggested a 3 team trade of some sort and seem to be interested in TJ Ford. I've tried figuring something out, but with both Ford and Hinrich being BYC players, it's tough to get a match.

[fudgie]

Hey all, Bulls fan here.

The Bulls wouldn't be interested in a bunch of young players. We need to consolidate some of our talent. The fact that we have about ten players of similar quality all demanding minutes has caused problems this year.

The Blazers are a good destination for Hinrich but it would have to be a three way deal. Maybe something in which the Clippers or Pacers get a couple of the Blazers young guys and the Bulls get Brand or O'Neal.

Hinrich would be a really good fit for the Blazers. He's a good three point shooter and would get lots of open looks on the Blazers. He isn't that great at creating offense but he would be good enough if playing next to Roy since Hinrich can also play off the ball fairly well.

He can also defend both the 1 an 2 but some of the really quick point guards like Tony Parker give him trouble. He's also good at funneling his man to where he wants him to go, which would be really useful with Oden in the paint. He's having somewhat of a down season in terms of his defense but I think he will bounce back to the form he's shown in is first four years if he was on a team that doesn't have the problems the Bulls have.

Bottom line: I think he would be a great fit for Portland but it would have to be a three way trade.

[Butter]

Hey all, Bulls fan here.

The Bulls wouldn't be interested in a bunch of young players. We need to consolidate some of our talent. The fact that we have about ten players of similar quality all demanding minutes has caused problems this year.

The Blazers are a good destination for Hinrich but it would have to be a three way deal. Maybe something in which the Clippers or Pacers get a couple of the Blazers young guys and the Bulls get Brand or O'Neal.

Hinrich would be a really good fit for the Blazers. He's a good three point shooter and would get lots of open looks on the Blazers. He isn't that great at creating offense but he would be good enough if playing next to Roy since Hinrich can also play off the ball fairly well.

He can also defend both the 1 an 2 but some of the really quick point guards like Tony Parker give him trouble. He's also good at funneling his man to where he wants him to go, which would be really useful with Oden in the paint. He's having somewhat of a down season in terms of his defense but I think he will bounce back to the form he's shown in is first four years if he was on a team that doesn't have the problems the Bulls have.

Bottom line: I think he would be a great fit for Portland but it would have to be a three way trade.

So basically you're saying that the Bulls want a PF like Elton Brand or Jermaine Oneal out of the deal?

[fudgie]

-= original quote snipped =-



So basically you're saying that the Bulls want a PF like Elton Brand or Jermaine Oneal out of the deal?

Possibly. I'm just giving them as an example of guys we would like and could be on the market in the offseason. We just need an upgrade in talent, it doesn't really matter at which position it is. The Chicago beat writer mentioned a point guard upgrade but I think that's just his speculation. The only one who could realistically be available is TJ Ford and I don't think he's that much of an upgrade.