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How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#1 » by holdupstop23 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:57 pm

Cmon P-town...stop with Steve Blake already.
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#2 » by jakjup216 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:58 pm

im wondering that myself.. but Serg still shows lapses @ times.. i was thinking next year for sure
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Post#3 » by Yangsing » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:03 pm

holdupstop23 wrote:Cmon P-town...stop with Steve Blake already.


When Blake gets traded. But then again that doesn't guarantee anything either. So Sergio might not ever start.
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Post#4 » by UGotThrilled » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:09 pm

I think that Sergio should continue coming off of the bench, and should play half the game. As we have talked about before, more important than who starts is who finishes, and he has been used a lot more in the 4th lately. Eventually, I could see Sergio and Bayless splitting time in the backcourt, or going with 24 for sergio, 12 for Bayless, and 12 for Roy. Something like that. But Bayless might not crack the rotation for another year or two.
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#5 » by Butter » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:13 pm

UGotThrilled wrote:I think that Sergio should continue coming off of the bench, and should play half the game. As we have talked about before, more important than who starts is who finishes, and he has been used a lot more in the 4th lately. Eventually, I could see Sergio and Bayless splitting time in the backcourt, or going with 24 for sergio, 12 for Bayless, and 12 for Roy. Something like that. But Bayless might not crack the rotation for another year or two.


I agree.

I like Sergio in a role similar to Travis. Instant offense off the bench. I don't know if Blake will be happy with the Batum like role though (start, then go to the bench for most of the game, and then come back at the end).
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#6 » by BlackMamba » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:20 pm

with the blazers? unless blake is injured or something like that.
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#7 » by JD45 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:36 pm

Early in the season, I thought Sergio should be 3rd team and was really too slow for the NBA.

I was wrong. I think he is currently the best of the Blazer PGs and should be starting. I still don't think he is athletic enough to be the long term starting PG, but he is the best option for now.
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#8 » by Soulyss » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:57 pm

I am going to guess that Sergio will be starting by Christmas Day along with Oden.

Christmas Day Starting Line-up:
Sergio
Roy
Martell
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Oden

1st off the Bench: Rudy for Martell, Roy to the 3.
2nd off the Bench Travis for Roy, Travis at the 3.
3rd off the Bench, Joel for Oden.
4th off the Bench, Blake for Sergio.
5th off the Bench, Batum for LA, Travis to the 4.

That's 10 Deep, Frye, Randolf, Bayless, get spot minutes, Ike Inactive.
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Post#9 » by trentsdad » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:29 pm

Sergio has the potential to be something special, last year was a waste but he pulled himself back together and is now the best point guard on the team. I can't imagine Nate ever giving the starting job to Sergio no matter how well he plays. If Sergio was getting Blakes minutes he would quickly build confidence and become even better. The thing that shocks me about this year is how Blake seems to have regressed. Now he is turning the ball over, even last night at the start he gave the ball away twice early on(fortunately Chicago was horrible and could capitalize to keep the game close) I think Blake is an nice second pg, but is not and never will be an upper level nba pg
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Post#10 » by Milkdud » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:31 pm

I don't see it happening unless Blake gets hurt. Much like the Outlaw/Batum situation I think Blake fits in better with the starters then Sergio would. Sergio playing with the quicker and more offensively driven 2nd unit (and his boy Rudy) is more condusive to him playing well.
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Post#11 » by Agenda42 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:35 pm

Soulyss wrote:That's 10 Deep, Frye, Randolf, Bayless, get spot minutes, Ike Inactive.


Someone has it out for players from Arizona :P

I like that rotation, but I'd rather start Blake and have Sergio play more with Rudy and Travis than Roy and Webster.
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Post#12 » by andalusian » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:36 pm

I do not see Sergio becoming our starting PG unless one of two things happen:

1. Sergio's defense goes up a lot
2. All the other team are starting Lindsey Hunter as their starting PG

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Sergio has improved his game a ton from last year - and this is the main reason he can now be discussed as a proper NBA player. But his defense is still shaky (not that Blake is great - but he is way better than Sergio).
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#13 » by R11 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:09 am

trentsdad wrote:Sergio has the potential to be something special, last year was a waste but he pulled himself back together and is now the best point guard on the team. I can't imagine Nate ever giving the starting job to Sergio no matter how well he plays. If Sergio was getting Blakes minutes he would quickly build confidence and become even better. The thing that shocks me about this year is how Blake seems to have regressed. Now he is turning the ball over, even last night at the start he gave the ball away twice early on(fortunately Chicago was horrible and could capitalize to keep the game close) I think Blake is an nice second pg, but is not and never will be an upper level nba pg


Interesting observations... You are aware that Blake's turnover rate is down from last year (.0416 per minute vs .0468)? And that Sergio's has gone up (.1 per minute vs .085)? Last night Sergio had 6 in only 24 minutes. Now that's takin' care of the ball :wink:


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Post#14 » by UGotThrilled » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:22 am

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trentsdad wrote:Sergio has the potential to be something special, last year was a waste but he pulled himself back together and is now the best point guard on the team. I can't imagine Nate ever giving the starting job to Sergio no matter how well he plays. If Sergio was getting Blakes minutes he would quickly build confidence and become even better. The thing that shocks me about this year is how Blake seems to have regressed. Now he is turning the ball over, even last night at the start he gave the ball away twice early on(fortunately Chicago was horrible and could capitalize to keep the game close) I think Blake is an nice second pg, but is not and never will be an upper level nba pg


Interesting observations... You are aware that Blake's turnover rate is down from last year (.0416 per minute vs .0468)? And that Sergio's has gone up (.1 per minute vs .085)? Last night Sergio had 6 in only 24 minutes. Now that's takin' care of the ball :wink:


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In all seriousness, last night sergio was not worried about padding statistics. He was out having fun, pushing his limits. There is a reason that Nate didnt pull him after 4 TO's (or 2 for that matter). Nate would rather see Sergio have fun in games where the score is out of reach. It gives him good practice at game speed of learning when to slow down and when to go for the sweet play. I am happy that sergio is more interested in having fun and putting on a show than he is about winning. In addition, he has played very responsibly down the stretch, making the right plays. That should be a players priorities: Winning, having fun, statistics. Even if having fun hurts his PER or his A/TO ratio.

You are absolutely right about Blake though, he has not regressed. He is what he is, and it is not bad or anything special. It is just Blake.
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#15 » by R11 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:40 am

UGotThrilled wrote:
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trentsdad wrote:Sergio has the potential to be something special, last year was a waste but he pulled himself back together and is now the best point guard on the team. I can't imagine Nate ever giving the starting job to Sergio no matter how well he plays. If Sergio was getting Blakes minutes he would quickly build confidence and become even better. The thing that shocks me about this year is how Blake seems to have regressed. Now he is turning the ball over, even last night at the start he gave the ball away twice early on(fortunately Chicago was horrible and could capitalize to keep the game close) I think Blake is an nice second pg, but is not and never will be an upper level nba pg


Interesting observations... You are aware that Blake's turnover rate is down from last year (.0416 per minute vs .0468)? And that Sergio's has gone up (.1 per minute vs .085)? Last night Sergio had 6 in only 24 minutes. Now that's takin' care of the ball :wink:


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In all seriousness, last night sergio was not worried about padding statistics. He was out having fun, pushing his limits. There is a reason that Nate didnt pull him after 4 TO's (or 2 for that matter). Nate would rather see Sergio have fun in games where the score is out of reach. It gives him good practice at game speed of learning when to slow down and when to go for the sweet play. I am happy that sergio is more interested in having fun and putting on a show than he is about winning. In addition, he has played very responsibly down the stretch, making the right plays. That should be a players priorities: Winning, having fun, statistics. Even if having fun hurts his PER or his A/TO ratio.

You are absolutely right about Blake though, he has not regressed. He is what he is, and it is not bad or anything special. It is just Blake.


Something tells me Sergio would not be so happy to hear you spreading rumors like this :lol:



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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#16 » by PDXKnight » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:18 am

trentsdad wrote:Sergio has the potential to be something special, last year was a waste but he pulled himself back together and is now the best point guard on the team. I can't imagine Nate ever giving the starting job to Sergio no matter how well he plays. If Sergio was getting Blakes minutes he would quickly build confidence and become even better. The thing that shocks me about this year is how Blake seems to have regressed. Now he is turning the ball over, even last night at the start he gave the ball away twice early on(fortunately Chicago was horrible and could capitalize to keep the game close) I think Blake is an nice second pg, but is not and never will be an upper level nba pg

Who ever said he's an upper level PG? Blake is what he is, a solid role player, but not by any means a starting quality PG. He could play pretty well as a backup on a contending team, but I'd say it's pretty well known that he isn't a starting PG.
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Post#17 » by Butter » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:11 am

The problem with this entire thread is that I just don't see how its all going to work long term. Ideally, you'd like to have Rudy and Sergio playing together. So really, for this to work, Roy's going to have to play SF...yikes.
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Post#18 » by Napoleon7 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:22 am

I do thnk Sergio has outplayed Blake and should get consideration to start.
I also agree that he does play better with the uptempo second unit.
Minutes can be adjusted to make both happen.

Also if we were to trade for Hinrich today (LaFrentz/Blake for Hinrich) I would not mind Fernandez starting the first 6 minutes of the game still allowing Sergio to come in off the bench.
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#19 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:35 am

I'm with Milkdud.... Sergio stays on the bench and plays with the 2nd unit for the betterment of the team. I'm likin Sergio's play though and am glad to see him getting some decent minutes lately and especially late 4th quarter minutes. Who said Sergio can't play with Roy?
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Re: How long till Sergio starts? 

Post#20 » by mojomarc » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:40 am

Sergio is definitely becoming more consistent with the playing time, which is great to see. But I don't think he's a starter yet. If he keeps this up through the month of December, though, I don't think we should discount the possibility that he might be our best starting PG option.

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