2010 cap space

[Bmoney]

anyone wanna project what our maximum cap space could be for the summer of 2010? That is if KP tries his best to plan and wait. And what FA would fit our team best?

[Wizenheimer]

I made this post in another thread:

28,000,000....Roy and Aldridge
6,760,000....Oden
7,405,000....Pryzbilla
5,200,000....Webster
2,300,000....bayless
1,247,000....Rudy
1,200,000....Batum

that's 52 million in salary right there and it's only for 8 players. Automatic cap-holds for 12 roster spots would put the total team salary at 55-56 million. Assuming a salary cap of 62-65 million, that would only leave the blazers 6-10 million in space. And to get there the blazers would have to dump outlaw, blake, frye, & sergio; not use their 1st round picks for the next 2 season; not trade for any veterans; and not use their MLE or BAE for the next 2 seasons. And at the end of it would be a massive gamble that they could convince a "superduper star" to join the team.

obviously, a lot of things can change in the next 20 months.

As far a my list goes, the numbers for Roy and Aldridge could vary a bit...or even by a lot. If both players were allowed to become RFA that summer (a real bad idea in my view), their combined cap-holds would be over 29 million. On the other hand if KP worked some magic in negotiations he might be able to get their combined salaries down to 22-24 million. That would increase possible cap-space to anywhere from 10-16 million. But of course that would still leave portland aa a very thin team depth-wise, and they'd be playing without a PG...not a good idea.

Another factor there...based on my list...would be Pryzbilla's contract. Portland could probably easily move him for an expiring and a pick or two next season. That would get an additional 6.5 million of the capspace. But we've already seen the benefits of having both oden and pryz on the roster. Obviously, as Oden starts to take over the bulk of C playing time, Pryzbilla's value to portland drops, so this is a possible avenue of more cap-space.

Again...it's possible portland could have some cap-space in 2010, but they'll have to make several sacrifices to get there. And one of the sacrifices may be fielding a competitive team next season.

It's possible i suppose, if this summer wears on and KP hasn't found attractive alternatives for his 2009 cap-space, he could change tactics, and focus on maximizing 2010 cap-space. But that's a big gamble in my view because there's no guarantee all those supposed free agents will actually make it to free agency. And if they do, there's no guarantee that any would be persuaded to sign with Portland, considering 12 or 13 teams could have significant cap-space that summer.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I wonder if Roy and Aldridge will really ask for that much. They're such unselfish players that I could see them taking a bit less for the betterment of the team. The Blazers have done well signing Outlaw and Webster to relatively easy contracts. I wonder if Roy and Aldridge wouldn't start somewhere around $10 million apiece?

[Butter]

I wonder if Roy and Aldridge will really ask for that much. They're such unselfish players that I could see them taking a bit less for the betterment of the team. The Blazers have done well signing Outlaw and Webster to relatively easy contracts. I wonder if Roy and Aldridge wouldn't start somewhere around $10 million apiece?

I think there's a chance that Roy will. But I wouldn't be surprised if Aldridge starts looking at greener pastures eventually. I to be a downer, but his individual game probably suffers the most from the team approach here.

[Wizenheimer]

I wonder if Roy and Aldridge will really ask for that much. They're such unselfish players that I could see them taking a bit less for the betterment of the team. The Blazers have done well signing Outlaw and Webster to relatively easy contracts. I wonder if Roy and Aldridge wouldn't start somewhere around $10 million apiece?

as inconsistent as aldridge has been, 10 million may be about his ceiling, but he may also not want to sign for that. If he makes it to the 2010 summer as RFA, his cap-hold would be 17.4 million. So he needs to be signed unless portland wants to toy with the real possibility of losing him. I suppose if KP was targeting Bosh at that time, it may be a risk worth taking.

I did list 22 million as a low threshold for those 2 players, but that would still only bump the space up to 16 million at most, and that's without a PG on the roster, unless bayless is one by then.

Keep in mind something about the list of free agents teams are drooling over. During the course of this summer and next season, almost all of them will become eligible for extensions. So as it approaches the 2010 off-season, that FA list could be considerably smaller and less attractive.

[The Emcee]

What if KP signed Roy and Aldridge to deals that ultimately paid them out the same amount, but in increasing amounts, so those first few years they make much less?

Would that work?

[wfbbuckmej]

I was wondering if it is not better to just capitalize of the desperation of other teams for capspace.

For example this is just an example,

LaFrentz to NYK who would love more capspace

Malik Rose and I Diogu to Charlotte who are desperate for bigs and they are exp bigs at that.

G Wallace and Jerome James to Pdx

I see why both Char and NYK do it as it stands, Wallace is nice but PDX does not really have minutes for him.

My thinking in a situation like this or a similar type deal is are these teams so desperate for capspace that KP will be able to extort picks out of the teams.

Reaf to NYK

Rose, Diogu to Char

Wallace and James to PDX plus 2012 1st rounders from both Char and NYK

Just a thought would be nice to use all this GM shortsidedness to our advantage.

[JordanL]

I'd like to point out that despite Przybilla's contract running past 2010, we could easily move it for capspace, because center is the hardest position to fill.

That or Roy/Aldridge could pull a Stockton.

[TowelBoy12]

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[Effigy]

I wonder if Roy and Aldridge will really ask for that much. They're such unselfish players that I could see them taking a bit less for the betterment of the team. The Blazers have done well signing Outlaw and Webster to relatively easy contracts. I wonder if Roy and Aldridge wouldn't start somewhere around $10 million apiece?

Fans ALWAYS think this about their players. The Bulls thought this about Ben Gordon and Deng. The Pistons thought it about Ben Wallace. Go on down the line, you are kidding yourself if you think a player is going to take less when a) he plays for the 4th richest guy in the world, b) the team is already loaded with talent, and c) you could get that money elsewhere. It's more likely actually that both guys get maxed out because of who their owner is and how important it is to keep them. Roy especially is a lock. He's not taking or probably even being offered anything less than the max. Aldridge may get a little less but not much.

Back on topic, it would be foolish of us to get involved in this. We'd have to sacrifice WAY too much just to be one of 15 other teams who also have cap room. We'd wind up over paying and giving the max to Steve Nash or something. No, let's stick to our current plan, see what can be had in the off season and go from there. Reap the benefits as these other teams choose not to sign guys to gear up for next year.

[Wizenheimer]

I wonder if Roy and Aldridge will really ask for that much. They're such unselfish players that I could see them taking a bit less for the betterment of the team. The Blazers have done well signing Outlaw and Webster to relatively easy contracts. I wonder if Roy and Aldridge wouldn't start somewhere around $10 million apiece?

Fans ALWAYS think this about their players. The Bulls thought this about Ben Gordon and Deng. The Pistons thought it about Ben Wallace. Go on down the line, you are kidding yourself if you think a player is going to take less when a) he plays for the 4th richest guy in the world, b) the team is already loaded with talent, and c) you could get that money elsewhere. It's more likely actually that both guys get maxed out because of who their owner is and how important it is to keep them. Roy especially is a lock. He's not taking or probably even being offered anything less than the max. Aldridge may get a little less but not much.

Back on topic, it would be foolish of us to get involved in this. We'd have to sacrifice WAY too much just to be one of 15 other teams who also have cap room. We'd wind up over paying and giving the max to Steve Nash or something. No, let's stick to our current plan, see what can be had in the off season and go from there. Reap the benefits as these other teams choose not to sign guys to gear up for next year.

very good evaluation. A 2010 cap-space plan for portland is a mirage