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Post#201 » by LightTheBeam » Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:59 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
Yeah I certainly agree with the Huerter trade etc.

Mitchell can go either way IMO. At the basement, he is going to be a terrific back up PG IMO. The thing that stood out to me, and something that might hinder Mitchell if Sabonis isn't here which is ironic given I just traded Sabonis lol, is it seemed that Mitchell was a far better playmaker all round when Sabonis got here. I don't know if that's a coincidence.

What we know about Davion is that he has the tools and is most likely going to be an elite defender in the next year or two. His offense isn't there, but isn't too much of a concern to be honest. He needs to lift the efficiency which he would do by getting a starting job, if not here, somewhere else. It will be somewhere else due to Fox, but if you're Davion's agent you don't want much more than 1.5 years as a backup otherwise the league starts pigeonholing you there.


Good news for Mitchell is that Monk/Huerter are good players, but if he improves he can be better than both of them. And on good teams it doesn't matter if you start, it matters that you finish. I see this roster with some versatility -

PG - Fox, Mitchell, Monk
SG - Monk, Huerter, Davis, Fox
SF - Barnes, Huerter, Davis,
PF - Murray, Barnes, Lyles, Metu
C - Holmes, Sabonis, Queta, Lyles, Murray?

We could see lineups that have Mitchell, Fox with 2 of Huerter/Barnes/Murray rounding out the 3-4 spots.

Winning will cure our issues. If you are a backup who plays 30mpg on a team that wins 50 games people still recognize your talent. Think Smart who spent half his career off the bench. Or Poole (when Warriors healthy) who is going to be off the bench his 4th year but likely still going to command a max or near max deal.
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Post#202 » by KF10 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:34 pm

If there are no changes entering the season, this would be my (early) starting 5:

Fox
Huerter
Barnes
Murray
Sabonis

Huerter has more starting games under his belt (started 216 games out of 274 total games played) vs Monk (started 38 games out of 309 total games). I view Monk more of a microwave scorer off the bench. I also think Huerter is a better fit with the starters, imo.

Keegan is an automatic starter in my eyes. There shouldn't be any reason he starts his career on the bench. His shooting and his ability to play without the ball is an essential component for his case to start at 4.

Fox, Sabonis & Barnes are self-explanatory.
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Post#203 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:56 am

KF10 wrote:If there are no changes entering the season, this would be my (early) starting 5:

Fox
Huerter
Barnes
Murray
Sabonis

Huerter has more starting games under his belt (started 216 games out of 274 total games played) vs Monk (started 38 games out of 309 total games). I view Monk more of a microwave scorer off the bench. I also think Huerter is a better fit with the starters, imo.

Keegan is an automatic starter in my eyes. There shouldn't be any reason he starts his career on the bench. His shooting and his ability to play without the ball is an essential component for his case to start at 4.

Fox, Sabonis & Barnes are self-explanatory.


The only reason this isn't the starting line-up is if Brown loses his mind and starts Barnes at the 4, Huerter and the 3, Monk at the 2. I would prefer to have Barnes off the bench in that scenario than Murray.
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Post#204 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:17 pm

KF10 wrote:If there are no changes entering the season, this would be my (early) starting 5:

Fox
Huerter
Barnes
Murray
Sabonis

Huerter has more starting games under his belt (started 216 games out of 274 total games played) vs Monk (started 38 games out of 309 total games). I view Monk more of a microwave scorer off the bench. I also think Huerter is a better fit with the starters, imo.

Keegan is an automatic starter in my eyes. There shouldn't be any reason he starts his career on the bench. His shooting and his ability to play without the ball is an essential component for his case to start at 4.

Fox, Sabonis & Barnes are self-explanatory.


Murray is a must start. If he doesn't then Brown is making a massive mistake.

I think you are right with the starting lineup. Only argument I see for Monk is allowing him to play the majority of his minutes with Fox. Huerter is also more able to play the 3, with Davis being the backup 2g.

Sabonis (34) / Holmes (14)
Murray (28) / Barnes (12) / Holmes (8)
Barnes (20) / Huerter (20) / Davis (8)
Monk (26) / Huerter (8) / Davis (4) / Mitchell (10)
Fox (32) / Mitchell (16)

Sabonis - 34
Holmes - 22
Murray - 28
Barnes - 32
Huerter - 28
Davis - 12
Monk - 26
Mitchell - 26
Fox - 32

9 man rotation. Keeping our best players on the floor.
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Post#205 » by KF10 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:26 pm

There is no one on this roster that should be starting over Murray at the 4.

Unless Mike Brown starts Holmes at 5 & Sabonis at 4 (aka YUCK)...
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Post#206 » by OxAndFox » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:56 am

Just got to say I absolutely enjoyed The Run - Episode 1. Bring on the rest of the series.
Kings deserve credit here and it was well made.

What were your thoughts?
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Post#207 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:39 pm

KF10 wrote:There is no one on this roster that should be starting over Murray at the 4.

Unless Mike Brown starts Holmes at 5 & Sabonis at 4 (aka YUCK)...


I'm curious if that lineup gets any burn this season. I don't recall them sharing a single minute on the court last year (although extremely small sample 8 games together).

I think it can happen in stretches, but probably need to have something like Monk/Huerter/Barnes/Sabonis/Holmes so that way you have at least 3 ~40% 3pt shooters on the court with them.
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Post#208 » by Braggins » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:52 pm

I'm one of Monk's biggest fans, but I think he makes more sense on this roster as a 6th man. I don't think they can afford to be small at any other positions if Murray/Sabonis are playing 4/5 and they need to get as much size as they can elsewhere. He can still get plenty of minutes with Fox.

I think this teams offensive potential is really high, so I could see Monk making it into the 6th man of the year conversation if things continue to go well for him since that award is almost entirely about points per game.

They really need a decent big wing on the bench. Mitchell/Monk/Holmes is a good core for a bench unit, but I don't really like TD at the 3 either with all the size issues they already have.
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Post#209 » by LAL1947 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:46 pm

Your team looks quite nicely balanced, except needing a big SF. Looks like your next upgrade will need to come from upgrading Barnes... which is a good place to be in, i.e., if your next weak link is one of your better players from the past few years.

Fox/Davion
Huerter/Monk/TD/Ellis
Barnes/??
Murray/Liddell/Metu
Sabonis/Holmes/Len
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Post#210 » by OxAndFox » Thu Sep 1, 2022 12:59 am

LAL1947 wrote:Your team looks quite nicely balanced, except needing a big SF. Looks like your next upgrade will need to come from upgrading Barnes... which is a good place to be in, i.e., if your next weak link is one of your better players from the past few years.

Fox/Davion
Huerter/Monk/TD/Ellis
Barnes/??
Murray/Liddell/Metu
Sabonis/Holmes/Len


I agree the next upgrade needs to be a big SF. I can see TD playing the majority of his minutes at the 3. IMO he defended quite well on the big SFs last season for the most part. Where he struggles is if you're relying on him playing most of the minutes guarding big SFs. He gets worn down.
I would be looking at him for roughly 10mpg at the 3 so that gives Barnes (22)/Murray (8)/Huerter (8) 38mpg there.
We will definitely see some below line-ups
Fox/Huerter/Barnes/Murray/Sabonis - starting line-up IMO
Fox/Monk/Huerter/Barnes/Sabonis
Fox/Monk/Barnes/Murray/Sabonis
Fox/Monk/TD/Barnes/Sabonis

Sabonis can be subbed for Holmes in any of these line-ups and I would go as far as I would like to see the below line-up against the Warriors.
Davion/Fox/Monk/Barnes/Murray
Steph/Poole/Klay/Wiggins/Dray

There are tons of options on this squad. It will all come down to if they want to defend or not if they're successful.
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Post#211 » by TyFrekey » Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:38 am

OxAndFox wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:Your team looks quite nicely balanced, except needing a big SF. Looks like your next upgrade will need to come from upgrading Barnes... which is a good place to be in, i.e., if your next weak link is one of your better players from the past few years.

Fox/Davion
Huerter/Monk/TD/Ellis
Barnes/??
Murray/Liddell/Metu
Sabonis/Holmes/Len


I agree the next upgrade needs to be a big SF. I can see TD playing the majority of his minutes at the 3. IMO he defended quite well on the big SFs last season for the most part. Where he struggles is if you're relying on him playing most of the minutes guarding big SFs. He gets worn down.
I would be looking at him for roughly 10mpg at the 3 so that gives Barnes (22)/Murray (8)/Huerter (8) 38mpg there.
We will definitely see some below line-ups
Fox/Huerter/Barnes/Murray/Sabonis - starting line-up IMO
Fox/Monk/Huerter/Barnes/Sabonis
Fox/Monk/Barnes/Murray/Sabonis
Fox/Monk/TD/Barnes/Sabonis

Sabonis can be subbed for Holmes in any of these line-ups and I would go as far as I would like to see the below line-up against the Warriors.
Davion/Fox/Monk/Barnes/Murray
Steph/Poole/Klay/Wiggins/Dray

There are tons of options on this squad. It will all come down to if they want to defend or not if they're successful.


Do you think we'll see a lot of Holmes/Sabonis lineups early in the season? I've heard this suggested in order to feature Holmes and up his trade value.
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Post#212 » by OxAndFox » Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:05 am

TyFrekey wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:Your team looks quite nicely balanced, except needing a big SF. Looks like your next upgrade will need to come from upgrading Barnes... which is a good place to be in, i.e., if your next weak link is one of your better players from the past few years.

Fox/Davion
Huerter/Monk/TD/Ellis
Barnes/??
Murray/Liddell/Metu
Sabonis/Holmes/Len


I agree the next upgrade needs to be a big SF. I can see TD playing the majority of his minutes at the 3. IMO he defended quite well on the big SFs last season for the most part. Where he struggles is if you're relying on him playing most of the minutes guarding big SFs. He gets worn down.
I would be looking at him for roughly 10mpg at the 3 so that gives Barnes (22)/Murray (8)/Huerter (8) 38mpg there.
We will definitely see some below line-ups
Fox/Huerter/Barnes/Murray/Sabonis - starting line-up IMO
Fox/Monk/Huerter/Barnes/Sabonis
Fox/Monk/Barnes/Murray/Sabonis
Fox/Monk/TD/Barnes/Sabonis

Sabonis can be subbed for Holmes in any of these line-ups and I would go as far as I would like to see the below line-up against the Warriors.
Davion/Fox/Monk/Barnes/Murray
Steph/Poole/Klay/Wiggins/Dray

There are tons of options on this squad. It will all come down to if they want to defend or not if they're successful.


Do you think we'll see a lot of Holmes/Sabonis lineups early in the season? I've heard this suggested in order to feature Holmes and up his trade value.


The Kings can't afford to feature anyone to the potential detriment of victories. Pressure is on and they need a fast start. Wins are going to be crucial before Xmas. That is going to be key to making the POs.
That said, I'm sure Brown is going to trial it in the pre-season, and let's see where Sabonis' 3pt shot is at.

At this stage, without seeing them out there, I would be going with Murray at the 4. Holmes is a P&R big and for whatever reason Fox doesn't seem to connect with him to the degree you would expect. Davion showed improvement in this area late in the season. Take it for what it's worth with late-season play, but I think that could be a decent amount of the system from the bench along with a mix of Monk, Huerter, Davis, Murray, and Barnes.
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Post#213 » by euphorbus » Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:17 pm

Training camp starts in seven days. The long, long off-season is almost at an end.
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Post#214 » by blind prophet » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:07 am

euphorbus wrote:Training camp starts in seven days. The long, long off-season is almost at an end.


Taking forever.

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