Game 23: Kings (10-12) @ Grizzlies (14-8)

[codydaze]

Pop comes off the bench, not 1/2 shooting stat lines with no creation (Keon)

Only way Keon will begin to come off the bench is if the pop on the team is unplayable, which is working itself there. Kevin, being pop, was always going to get a chance over Keon, on the bench. If your Brown you have to see if Huerter doesn’t have an easier time vrs backups or if he equally is bad as he’s been in the starting lineup. If McLaughlin made actually didn’t suck, Keon would be buried

You seem to be obsessed with "pop" off the bench so where are you expecting that "pop" to come from with Monk in the starting lineup? Huerter going 3-10 from the field, including 0-6 from deep, with zero assists certainly is not "pop". You still haven't refuted any of the numbers that show Keon as one of our biggest net positive players on the team. Why do you think that is? Believe it or not, there are ways to be an effective contributor in the NBA without being a shot creator.

Huerter has only come off the bench for a couple of games with mixed results... More nights like last night and he will be out of the rotation, but he's making ~18 mil or whatever because he has some innate talent and you have to see if he can do something on the bench. "Good" Huerter, like last game off the bench, offers an offensive look the bench needs that Keon just doesn't possess.

Again, Keon's game is ill fitted for a bench role. He can be passable when there is a ton of offense around him. Our bench is anemic offensively. He has no offensive gravity. The entire role of a bench player is to be a spark plug, not a defensive role playing linch pin.

The numbers just bely the fact for me that he doesn't have starting talent and it will be tough to find a bench role for him when we are desperately in need of offensive creation coming from that bench

You seem to be making a great case for Monk to come off the bench while being willfully obtuse about how good the starting lineup has been with Keon in it.

[BoogieTime]

You seem to be obsessed with "pop" off the bench so where are you expecting that "pop" to come from with Monk in the starting lineup? Huerter going 3-10 from the field, including 0-6 from deep, with zero assists certainly is not "pop". You still haven't refuted any of the numbers that show Keon as one of our biggest net positive players on the team. Why do you think that is? Believe it or not, there are ways to be an effective contributor in the NBA without being a shot creator.

Huerter has only come off the bench for a couple of games with mixed results... More nights like last night and he will be out of the rotation, but he's making ~18 mil or whatever because he has some innate talent and you have to see if he can do something on the bench. "Good" Huerter, like last game off the bench, offers an offensive look the bench needs that Keon just doesn't possess.

Again, Keon's game is ill fitted for a bench role. He can be passable when there is a ton of offense around him. Our bench is anemic offensively. He has no offensive gravity. The entire role of a bench player is to be a spark plug, not a defensive role playing linch pin.

The numbers just bely the fact for me that he doesn't have starting talent and it will be tough to find a bench role for him when we are desperately in need of offensive creation coming from that bench

You seem to be making a great case for Monk to come off the bench while being willfully obtuse about how good the starting lineup has been with Keon in it.

You seem to be obtuse with why a person who probably knows more about basketball than you in Brown is doing what he is doing, which perfectly lines up with my belief step by step.

Keon is a dimensional player who came out of the g league who isnt refined, and for us isn't a nba starter and doesn't feature in a bench role, regardless of the 52 minutes he has played with the starters.

The unit with Monk has played a lot more, Monk is a better all around player than Keon, you should start your best players typically, and the unit has looked good so far.

My belief could change, as could Browns as he is usually lockstep with me, on how players underperform or if Keon shows some skill

[codydaze]

Huerter has only come off the bench for a couple of games with mixed results... More nights like last night and he will be out of the rotation, but he's making ~18 mil or whatever because he has some innate talent and you have to see if he can do something on the bench. "Good" Huerter, like last game off the bench, offers an offensive look the bench needs that Keon just doesn't possess.

Again, Keon's game is ill fitted for a bench role. He can be passable when there is a ton of offense around him. Our bench is anemic offensively. He has no offensive gravity. The entire role of a bench player is to be a spark plug, not a defensive role playing linch pin.

The numbers just bely the fact for me that he doesn't have starting talent and it will be tough to find a bench role for him when we are desperately in need of offensive creation coming from that bench

You seem to be making a great case for Monk to come off the bench while being willfully obtuse about how good the starting lineup has been with Keon in it.

You seem to be obtuse with why a person who probably knows more about basketball than you in Brown is doing what he is doing, which perfectly lines up with my belief step by step.

Keon is a dimensional player who came out of the g league who isnt refined, and for us isn't a nba starter and doesn't feature in a bench role, regardless of the 52 minutes he has played with the starters.

The unit with Monk has played a lot more, Monk is a better all around player than Keon, you should start your best players typically, and the unit has looked good so far.

My belief could change, as could Browns as he is usually lockstep with me, on how players underperform or if Keon shows some skill

You're acting like I'm saying Keon is a better player than Monk but go ahead and refuse to acknowledge any of the numbers that indicate he has been a net positive going back to last season. This is not binary, it can be true that Keon is a great fit in the starting lineup and that Monk should be playing 30+ minutes and closing. Both things can be true.

The team's net rating improved over the last 15 games he started last year. The starting lineup with him has an incredible net rating this season. He has been one of our best players in terms of On-Off net rating the past two years. These are all facts. Whether you like it or not, all the numbers point to us playing really good basketball when he is on the floor.

[BoogieTime]

You seem to be making a great case for Monk to come off the bench while being willfully obtuse about how good the starting lineup has been with Keon in it.

You seem to be obtuse with why a person who probably knows more about basketball than you in Brown is doing what he is doing, which perfectly lines up with my belief step by step.

Keon is a dimensional player who came out of the g league who isnt refined, and for us isn't a nba starter and doesn't feature in a bench role, regardless of the 52 minutes he has played with the starters.

The unit with Monk has played a lot more, Monk is a better all around player than Keon, you should start your best players typically, and the unit has looked good so far.

My belief could change, as could Browns as he is usually lockstep with me, on how players underperform or if Keon shows some skill

You're acting like I'm saying Keon is a better player than Monk but go ahead and refuse to acknowledge any of the numbers that indicate he has been a net positive going back to last season. This is not binary, it can be true that Keon is a great fit in the starting lineup and that Monk should be playing 30+ minutes and closing. Both things can be true.

The team's net rating improved over the last 15 games he started last year. The starting lineup with him has an incredible net rating this season. He has been one of our best players in terms of On-Off net rating the past two years. These are all facts. Whether you like it or not, all the numbers point to us playing really good basketball when he is on the floor.

I'm thinking the starting lineup last year had a solidly better net rating with Huerter than Keon

[codydaze]

You seem to be obtuse with why a person who probably knows more about basketball than you in Brown is doing what he is doing, which perfectly lines up with my belief step by step.

Keon is a dimensional player who came out of the g league who isnt refined, and for us isn't a nba starter and doesn't feature in a bench role, regardless of the 52 minutes he has played with the starters.

The unit with Monk has played a lot more, Monk is a better all around player than Keon, you should start your best players typically, and the unit has looked good so far.

My belief could change, as could Browns as he is usually lockstep with me, on how players underperform or if Keon shows some skill

You're acting like I'm saying Keon is a better player than Monk but go ahead and refuse to acknowledge any of the numbers that indicate he has been a net positive going back to last season. This is not binary, it can be true that Keon is a great fit in the starting lineup and that Monk should be playing 30+ minutes and closing. Both things can be true.

The team's net rating improved over the last 15 games he started last year. The starting lineup with him has an incredible net rating this season. He has been one of our best players in terms of On-Off net rating the past two years. These are all facts. Whether you like it or not, all the numbers point to us playing really good basketball when he is on the floor.

I'm thinking the starting lineup last year had a solidly better net rating with Huerter than Keon

And yet Keon's individual impact and advanced numbers were and still are all better which is why I'm not using the lineup's net rating as the only argument.