Game 46: Kings (23-22) @ Nets (14-32)

[codydaze]

We cross the bridge to Brooklyn after a rough game against the Knicks to face off against a Nets team that will be down a bunch of bodies due to injury/tanking. This should be a gimme in the middle of a tough stretch of schedule so let's take care of business and light a road beam.

[Lost in LA]

Well the Nets aren't reading the script as yet

[KF10]

Devin Carter’s defensive pressure is already pretty good. He just needs more experience under his belt. He’s right there.

[BoogieTime]

The bench was abhorrent, and if we lose this one given how the Nets have been playing, the DC coaching affect might be slowed

[codydaze]

Can't get into any kind of rhythm, offensively, right now. The defense has been okay but we just look disjointed on the other end.

[LightTheBeam]

Wonder how my fellow Kings fans will talk about Fox tonight. Without him we'd be getting blown out by the Gleague Nets. Sabonis and Monk with some sloppy ass turnovers tonight.

[codydaze]

Offense finally got going and the separation was immediate. We desperately need a playable big off the bench. Go get John Collins tonight, Monte.

[BoogieTime]

I think Keon should probably start but in the meantime before possible moves nice to see him playing 30 mins with Huerter playing 0. Keep up with that and man it’s a change from my preseason take

[BoogieTime]

Wonder how my fellow Kings fans will talk about Fox tonight. Without him we'd be getting blown out by the Gleague Nets. Sabonis and Monk with some sloppy ass turnovers tonight.

It’s redundant to say, but another down season (sub efficiency volume scoring), and somehow he managed a 0 +/- out of this when Domas is putting up 20/20/10 etc and we DONT notice because he’s underrated and great

With that said Fox was good tonight, and less exasperating.. but we need to get to the point where his good games aren’t noticeable. So good for him tonight

[LightTheBeam]

Wonder how my fellow Kings fans will talk about Fox tonight. Without him we'd be getting blown out by the Gleague Nets. Sabonis and Monk with some sloppy ass turnovers tonight.

It’s redundant to say, but another down season (sub efficiency volume scoring), and somehow he managed a 0 +/- out of this when Domas is putting up 20/20/10 etc and we DONT notice because he’s underrated and great

With that said Fox was good tonight, and less exasperating.. but we need to get to the point where his good games aren’t noticeable. So good for him tonight

Sabonis and Monk were sloppy for 3 quarters.
Fox is the reason we didn't get blown out. His +/- indicates he was on the floor with McDermott + Len which was an awful lineup.

But its okay keep hating. I'll keep respecting 26-6-5 on good efficiency for a point guard. Even a game he carries us for 3 quarters and drops 30 you can't help yourself lol

[BoogieTime]

Wonder how my fellow Kings fans will talk about Fox tonight. Without him we'd be getting blown out by the Gleague Nets. Sabonis and Monk with some sloppy ass turnovers tonight.

It’s redundant to say, but another down season (sub efficiency volume scoring), and somehow he managed a 0 +/- out of this when Domas is putting up 20/20/10 etc and we DONT notice because he’s underrated and great

With that said Fox was good tonight, and less exasperating.. but we need to get to the point where his good games aren’t noticeable. So good for him tonight

Sabonis and Monk were sloppy for 3 quarters.
Fox is the reason we didn't get blown out. His +/- indicates he was on the floor with McDermott + Len which was an awful lineup.

But its okay keep hating. I'll keep respecting 26-6-5 on good efficiency for a point guard. Even a game he carries us for 3 quarters and drops 30 you can't help yourself lol

If it’s sub average ts% the scoring doesn’t really help

Good offensive players help by scoring volume at above average ts%, that’s what helps

[LightTheBeam]

It’s redundant to say, but another down season (sub efficiency volume scoring), and somehow he managed a 0 +/- out of this when Domas is putting up 20/20/10 etc and we DONT notice because he’s underrated and great

With that said Fox was good tonight, and less exasperating.. but we need to get to the point where his good games aren’t noticeable. So good for him tonight

Sabonis and Monk were sloppy for 3 quarters.
Fox is the reason we didn't get blown out. His +/- indicates he was on the floor with McDermott + Len which was an awful lineup.

But its okay keep hating. I'll keep respecting 26-6-5 on good efficiency for a point guard. Even a game he carries us for 3 quarters and drops 30 you can't help yourself lol

If it’s sub average ts% the scoring doesn’t really help

Good offensive players help by scoring volume at above average ts%, that’s what helps

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=average+ts%25+by+position+this+season

Weird should probably do a little more research before you say something untrue. His ts% is above pg average. In line with Ja, Trae, Murray, and maxey. Seems like a pretty good crew.

Such an inefficient player having a sub par down year lol

[BoogieTime]

Sabonis and Monk were sloppy for 3 quarters.
Fox is the reason we didn't get blown out. His +/- indicates he was on the floor with McDermott + Len which was an awful lineup.

But its okay keep hating. I'll keep respecting 26-6-5 on good efficiency for a point guard. Even a game he carries us for 3 quarters and drops 30 you can't help yourself lol

If it’s sub average ts% the scoring doesn’t really help

Good offensive players help by scoring volume at above average ts%, that’s what helps

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=average+ts%25+by+position+this+season

Weird should probably do a little more research before you say something untrue. His ts% is above pg average. In line with Ja, Trae, Murray, and maxey. Seems like a pretty good crew.

Such an inefficient player having a sub par down year lol

I will eat my words on how he stands in regard to the pg position, didn’t know it was that low

BUT

If you look up the top ten PGs (who should command near max), you will definitely notice none are around that average, because, only being above nba average positively affects anything

The list of players you just referenced are imo overrated, or have more gravity due to spacing/playmaking

[LightTheBeam]

If it’s sub average ts% the scoring doesn’t really help

Good offensive players help by scoring volume at above average ts%, that’s what helps

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=average+ts%25+by+position+this+season

Weird should probably do a little more research before you say something untrue. His ts% is above pg average. In line with Ja, Trae, Murray, and maxey. Seems like a pretty good crew.

Such an inefficient player having a sub par down year lol

I will eat my words on how he stands in regard to the pg position, didn’t know it was that low

BUT

If you look up the top ten PGs (who should command near max), you will definitely notice none are around that average, because, only being above nba average positively affects anything

The list of players you just referenced are imo overrated, or have more gravity due to spacing/playmaking

Just want us to be clear here, the goal post has now shifted from hes below average efficient, to hes not efficient enough.

And to judge efficiency we are only going to use TS%, not EFG% which is a better stat and has fox borderline top 10.

On top of that we are going to make some arbitrary claims that these other players all of whom are max money guys are either overrated or "have more gravity" but Fox one of the best 4th quarter/mid range scorers, who drives the 4th most in the league, he doesn't have any of this so called gravity. You know our pg who draws the toughest/biggest assignment every game. The herb Jones, mcdaniels, amen thompson, Wiggins, dort matchups, certainly that guy doesn't have any gravity or impact on what the defense does.

Oh and of those the other guys in the top 10 of ts% who deserve those max contracts we will find payton Pritchard and Tyus jones. Don't tell those teams that there's more to a player than ts%. You know, tyus is 7th tied with curry, and brunson. No way he's playing for a near minimum deal!

At a certain point it just looks like hate man. There's no threshold fox needs to meet to be enough. It always will need to be more. Sorry to tell you but 26-6-5-2 guys who draw the attention he does demand max money, and a dozen other teams would happily take that contract. But we are such a broken fan base we would rather be upset at someone.

[BoogieTime]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=average+ts%25+by+position+this+season

Weird should probably do a little more research before you say something untrue. His ts% is above pg average. In line with Ja, Trae, Murray, and maxey. Seems like a pretty good crew.

Such an inefficient player having a sub par down year lol

I will eat my words on how he stands in regard to the pg position, didn’t know it was that low

BUT

If you look up the top ten PGs (who should command near max), you will definitely notice none are around that average, because, only being above nba average positively affects anything

The list of players you just referenced are imo overrated, or have more gravity due to spacing/playmaking

Just want us to be clear here, the goal post has now shifted from hes below average efficient, to hes not efficient enough.

And to judge efficiency we are only going to use TS%, not EFG% which is a better stat and has fox borderline top 10.

On top of that we are going to make some arbitrary claims that these other players all of whom are max money guys are either overrated or "have more gravity" but Fox one of the best 4th quarter/mid range scorers, who drives the 4th most in the league, he doesn't have any of this so called gravity. You know our pg who draws the toughest/biggest assignment every game. The herb Jones, mcdaniels, amen thompson, Wiggins, dort matchups, certainly that guy doesn't have any gravity or impact on what the defense does.

Oh and of those the other guys in the top 10 of ts% who deserve those max contracts we will find payton Pritchard and Tyus jones. Don't tell those teams that there's more to a player than ts%. You know, tyus is 7th tied with curry, and brunson. No way he's playing for a near minimum deal!

At a certain point it just looks like hate man. There's no threshold fox needs to meet to be enough. It always will need to be more. Sorry to tell you but 26-6-5-2 guys who draw the attention he does demand max money, and a dozen other teams would happily take that contract. But we are such a broken fan base we would rather be upset at someone.

Goal posts are clear, and you understand them, your just contorting because of fandom

TS% might be the most widely used efficiency metric in the bball community

Efficient offense in the nba that helps teams win is above average ts%

The best point guards in the NBA generally all have way above average ts%, why they help teams win

And your cherry picking overrated guys or guys having down years who have star names to group with Fox… which…. (Though a lot of these guys are better playmakers and shooters)

[LightTheBeam]

I will eat my words on how he stands in regard to the pg position, didn’t know it was that low

BUT

If you look up the top ten PGs (who should command near max), you will definitely notice none are around that average, because, only being above nba average positively affects anything

The list of players you just referenced are imo overrated, or have more gravity due to spacing/playmaking

Just want us to be clear here, the goal post has now shifted from hes below average efficient, to hes not efficient enough.

And to judge efficiency we are only going to use TS%, not EFG% which is a better stat and has fox borderline top 10.

On top of that we are going to make some arbitrary claims that these other players all of whom are max money guys are either overrated or "have more gravity" but Fox one of the best 4th quarter/mid range scorers, who drives the 4th most in the league, he doesn't have any of this so called gravity. You know our pg who draws the toughest/biggest assignment every game. The herb Jones, mcdaniels, amen thompson, Wiggins, dort matchups, certainly that guy doesn't have any gravity or impact on what the defense does.

Oh and of those the other guys in the top 10 of ts% who deserve those max contracts we will find payton Pritchard and Tyus jones. Don't tell those teams that there's more to a player than ts%. You know, tyus is 7th tied with curry, and brunson. No way he's playing for a near minimum deal!

At a certain point it just looks like hate man. There's no threshold fox needs to meet to be enough. It always will need to be more. Sorry to tell you but 26-6-5-2 guys who draw the attention he does demand max money, and a dozen other teams would happily take that contract. But we are such a broken fan base we would rather be upset at someone.

Goal posts are clear, and you understand them, your just contorting because of fandom

TS% might be the most widely used efficiency metric in the bball community

Efficient offense in the nba that helps teams win is above average ts%

The best point guards in the NBA generally all have way above average ts%, why they help teams win

And your cherry picking overrated guys or guys having down years who have star names to group with Fox… which…. (Though a lot of these guys are better playmakers and shooters)

Lol ya the goal posts are very clear. Whatever Boogie would like them to be to say that Fox isn't a major impact winning player.

You know Fox has a TS% a whole 2% less than Luka, so he doesn't impact winning at all like Luka.

And hilarious to assume I cherry picked. Cade who is leading Detroit out of the dumps with a very mediocre roster is ranked 24th compared to 12 for Fox. I could have Cherry picked him but I didn't. Also depending which site you ask, and who qualifies as a point guard, Fox is still borderline top 10 in TS%

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/highest-true-shooting-for-point-guards-this-season

But again hilarious to assume I cherry picked, when I just picked the 5 names around Fox. And that grouping just happened to be a bunch of consistent all stars.

Lets just be honest here. You have no interest in a genuine debate. Any stat that backfires you will just pivot to some other excuse.

When you can't even enjoy a 30pt game, and a 15pt win, the problem is you my friend.

[BoogieTime]

Just want us to be clear here, the goal post has now shifted from hes below average efficient, to hes not efficient enough.

And to judge efficiency we are only going to use TS%, not EFG% which is a better stat and has fox borderline top 10.

On top of that we are going to make some arbitrary claims that these other players all of whom are max money guys are either overrated or "have more gravity" but Fox one of the best 4th quarter/mid range scorers, who drives the 4th most in the league, he doesn't have any of this so called gravity. You know our pg who draws the toughest/biggest assignment every game. The herb Jones, mcdaniels, amen thompson, Wiggins, dort matchups, certainly that guy doesn't have any gravity or impact on what the defense does.

Oh and of those the other guys in the top 10 of ts% who deserve those max contracts we will find payton Pritchard and Tyus jones. Don't tell those teams that there's more to a player than ts%. You know, tyus is 7th tied with curry, and brunson. No way he's playing for a near minimum deal!

At a certain point it just looks like hate man. There's no threshold fox needs to meet to be enough. It always will need to be more. Sorry to tell you but 26-6-5-2 guys who draw the attention he does demand max money, and a dozen other teams would happily take that contract. But we are such a broken fan base we would rather be upset at someone.

Goal posts are clear, and you understand them, your just contorting because of fandom

TS% might be the most widely used efficiency metric in the bball community

Efficient offense in the nba that helps teams win is above average ts%

The best point guards in the NBA generally all have way above average ts%, why they help teams win

And your cherry picking overrated guys or guys having down years who have star names to group with Fox… which…. (Though a lot of these guys are better playmakers and shooters)

Lol ya the goal posts are very clear. Whatever Boogie would like them to be to say that Fox isn't a major impact winning player.

You know Fox has a TS% a whole 2% less than Luka, so he doesn't impact winning at all like Luka.

And hilarious to assume I cherry picked. Cade who is leading Detroit out of the dumps with a very mediocre roster is ranked 24th compared to 12 for Fox. I could have Cherry picked him but I didn't. Also depending which site you ask, and who qualifies as a point guard, Fox is still borderline top 10 in TS%

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/highest-true-shooting-for-point-guards-this-season

But again hilarious to assume I cherry picked, when I just picked the 5 names around Fox. And that grouping just happened to be a bunch of consistent all stars.

Lets just be honest here. You have no interest in a genuine debate. Any stat that backfires you will just pivot to some other excuse.

When you can't even enjoy a 30pt game, and a 15pt win, the problem is you my friend.

The genuine debate without getting in feelings is fine, I’m not the one who usually brings emotion to these back and forth if you look at the convo..

Fine, Cade does have a low ts% but he has gravity as a lead playmaker.

The problem is Fox has that low ts% as being primarily a scorer without helping teammates with playmaking (at pg level), D etc. a lot of solid players, I don’t know about max, will have sub standard efficiency but excel in other parts of the game like defense and leading the team