Game 65: Kings (33-31) @ Warriors (37-28)

[BoogieTime]

Mentally preparing myself for a 9 seed finish, losing the play in and still sending our pick to Atlanta.

This is likely to happen tbh

This core has been unserious for the last 1.5 to 2 years now.

Same deficiencies, same issues.

Rinse and repeat no matter what bandages Monte puts on this team.

This roster needs an entire shake up.

I wouldn't count on Vivek going that way

Team looks to be a fun, likable offensive oriented low level playoff team. So despite some of the defensively focused posters, there really isn't much to blow up. Team is playing without its best player, the hardest-art of its schedule. But the talent of the core, with the wests aging (clippers/warriors/wolves with Gobert etc), and I think ownership will tryin to keep Domas/Zach/Demar/Ellis/ hope the young players get better, with a retool here and there

Team has been through the mud, and I understand the philosophy of not being hung up on banners

[Silver Man]

Mentally preparing myself for a 9 seed finish, losing the play in and still sending our pick to Atlanta.

This is likely to happen tbh

This core has been unserious for the last 1.5 to 2 years now.

Same deficiencies, same issues.

Rinse and repeat no matter what bandages Monte puts on this team.

This roster needs an entire shake up.

I wouldn't count on Vivek going that way

Team looks to be a fun, likable offensive oriented low level playoff team. So despite some of the defensively focused posters, there really isn't much to blow up. Team is playing without its best player, the hardest-art of its schedule. But the talent of the core, with the wests aging (clippers/warriors/wolves with Gobert etc), and I think ownership will tryin to keep Domas/Zach/Demar/Ellis/ hope the young players get better, with a retool here and there

Team has been through the mud, and I understand the philosophy of not being hung up on banners

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

[BoogieTime]

This is likely to happen tbh

This core has been unserious for the last 1.5 to 2 years now.

Same deficiencies, same issues.

Rinse and repeat no matter what bandages Monte puts on this team.

This roster needs an entire shake up.

I wouldn't count on Vivek going that way

Team looks to be a fun, likable offensive oriented low level playoff team. So despite some of the defensively focused posters, there really isn't much to blow up. Team is playing without its best player, the hardest-art of its schedule. But the talent of the core, with the wests aging (clippers/warriors/wolves with Gobert etc), and I think ownership will tryin to keep Domas/Zach/Demar/Ellis/ hope the young players get better, with a retool here and there

Team has been through the mud, and I understand the philosophy of not being hung up on banners

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

[codydaze]

I wouldn't count on Vivek going that way

Team looks to be a fun, likable offensive oriented low level playoff team. So despite some of the defensively focused posters, there really isn't much to blow up. Team is playing without its best player, the hardest-art of its schedule. But the talent of the core, with the wests aging (clippers/warriors/wolves with Gobert etc), and I think ownership will tryin to keep Domas/Zach/Demar/Ellis/ hope the young players get better, with a retool here and there

Team has been through the mud, and I understand the philosophy of not being hung up on banners

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

You know that at the start of the next season, Derozan will be 36, Lavine will be 30 and Sabonis will be 29, right? This team isn't exactly spring chickens.

[BoogieTime]

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

You know that at the start of the next season, Derozan will be 36, Lavine will be 30 and Sabonis will be 29, right? This team isn't exactly spring chickens.

I think there is a difference between should tail off in the next few years or in possibly 4-7.

Curry and or Butler
Gobert - aging hasn’t been kind recently - we’ll see if decline continues
Clips - health and age/any time
Lebron
Jokic - he’s a bit early for the list but as you approach 30s who knows and the nuggets are a one man show with him - just needs to lose slight ground..

Maybe I’m forgetting some… or embellishing on Jokic, but the west is aging

[LightTheBeam]

I wouldn't count on Vivek going that way

Team looks to be a fun, likable offensive oriented low level playoff team. So despite some of the defensively focused posters, there really isn't much to blow up. Team is playing without its best player, the hardest-art of its schedule. But the talent of the core, with the wests aging (clippers/warriors/wolves with Gobert etc), and I think ownership will tryin to keep Domas/Zach/Demar/Ellis/ hope the young players get better, with a retool here and there

Team has been through the mud, and I understand the philosophy of not being hung up on banners

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

And you are lying here.
Brunson was missing from NY their best player.
Clippers were missing Powell who has been their 2nd best player.

But that's besides the. We weren't even competitive against NY or GS. This team isn't better than it was, don't let wins against Charlotte or Utah fool you, we've not beat a single good team or a single healthy team. We struggled vs Dallas who was missing the entire front court.

Nobody in this board agrees with you. This isnt a run it back situation. We give up 60% from 3 regularly, this isn't a coincidence. Teams are running layup lines against monk/lavine/demar.

Domas already came out and said he wants to meet with management to see what their "direction is" he's clearly not happy with the team post trade.

Don't wait for domas to ask out. Trade him day 1 of the offseason. Trade demar anywhere. Trade monk. We are stuck with lavine whose on an awful contract.

[LightTheBeam]

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

You know that at the start of the next season, Derozan will be 36, Lavine will be 30 and Sabonis will be 29, right? This team isn't exactly spring chickens.

Exactly this might be the most pathetic part. We are barely better than spurs/portland, yet those teams are built with a ton of young 20s, we are an older team and still suck.

[BoogieTime]

Wait, so having a ceiling of hosting a play-in game in hopes to lose a series to the Thunder, Grizzlies, Nuggets, etc. in hopefully 6 is the goal here? I mean if you compare to the 2010s Kings then sure but that's not a direction a serious NBA team should go. Our goal right now is making a one game play-in and hopeful to win a home game in a playoff series. This roster isn't good enough to do anything while other teams are set for the future ala Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves and others tanking for the future.

It's a treadmill team with nothing going for it except nightly post by you about how Lavine is a prime Steph Curry.

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

And you are lying here.
Brunson was missing from NY their best player.
Clippers were missing Powell who has been their 2nd best player.

But that's besides the. We weren't even competitive against NY or GS. This team isn't better than it was, don't let wins against Charlotte or Utah fool you, we've not beat a single good team or a single healthy team. We struggled vs Dallas who was missing the entire front court.

Nobody in this board agrees with you. This isnt a run it back situation. We give up 60% from 3 regularly, this isn't a coincidence. Teams are running layup lines against monk/lavine/demar.

Domas already came out and said he wants to meet with management to see what their "direction is" he's clearly not happy with the team post trade.

Don't wait for domas to ask out. Trade him day 1 of the offseason. Trade demar anywhere. Trade monk. We are stuck with lavine whose on an awful contract.

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

[LightTheBeam]

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

And you are lying here.
Brunson was missing from NY their best player.
Clippers were missing Powell who has been their 2nd best player.

But that's besides the. We weren't even competitive against NY or GS. This team isn't better than it was, don't let wins against Charlotte or Utah fool you, we've not beat a single good team or a single healthy team. We struggled vs Dallas who was missing the entire front court.

Nobody in this board agrees with you. This isnt a run it back situation. We give up 60% from 3 regularly, this isn't a coincidence. Teams are running layup lines against monk/lavine/demar.

Domas already came out and said he wants to meet with management to see what their "direction is" he's clearly not happy with the team post trade.

Don't wait for domas to ask out. Trade him day 1 of the offseason. Trade demar anywhere. Trade monk. We are stuck with lavine whose on an awful contract.

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

Why don't you start with these polls

1. Is lavine positive value on his contract (ask the trade board so we don't only get some Delusional Kings fans never heard of that board takes)

2. Did the kings give up positive value for lavine.

I think both those answers are a clear no. But what you don't get is even if the team is talented, the fit is atrocious.

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Everyone with any eye for basketball can see it's a mismatch roster that was thrown together on a whim. We have 5 shooting guards, 2 small forwards, and 2 centers in our 9 man rotation.

The team that drafted fox, haliburton, and Mitchell doesn't have a reliable point guard on the roster. We are lacking wings/playable forwards.

I don't care how talented the individual pieces are. This roster is built like a 12 year old starting making trade finder deals on nba2k with no regard for fit.

[LightTheBeam]

And the funniest thing is rather than BoogieTime admitting we have a core problem, he went from blaming fox for 40 games, to now blaming monk.

Keep ignoring the main issue which is this team sucks and is built rotten top down from vivek.

[BoogieTime]

And you are lying here.
Brunson was missing from NY their best player.
Clippers were missing Powell who has been their 2nd best player.

But that's besides the. We weren't even competitive against NY or GS. This team isn't better than it was, don't let wins against Charlotte or Utah fool you, we've not beat a single good team or a single healthy team. We struggled vs Dallas who was missing the entire front court.

Nobody in this board agrees with you. This isnt a run it back situation. We give up 60% from 3 regularly, this isn't a coincidence. Teams are running layup lines against monk/lavine/demar.

Domas already came out and said he wants to meet with management to see what their "direction is" he's clearly not happy with the team post trade.

Don't wait for domas to ask out. Trade him day 1 of the offseason. Trade demar anywhere. Trade monk. We are stuck with lavine whose on an awful contract.

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

Why don't you start with these polls

1. Is lavine positive value on his contract (ask the trade board so we don't only get some Delusional Kings fans never heard of that board takes)

2. Did the kings give up positive value for lavine.

I think both those answers are a clear no. But what you don't get is even if the team is talented, the fit is atrocious.

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Everyone with any eye for basketball can see it's a mismatch roster that was thrown together on a whim. We have 5 shooting guards, 2 small forwards, and 2 centers in our 9 man rotation.

The team that drafted fox, haliburton, and Mitchell doesn't have a reliable point guard on the roster. We are lacking wings/playable forwards.

I don't care how talented the individual pieces are. This roster is built like a 12 year old starting making trade finder deals on nba2k with no regard for fit.

Certain players have reputations that for whatever reason are not in line with their current skillset... Those two questions would be better asked on the Bulls board, among fans that have watched him and know his game. I know he has a reputation, I think thats what has shaped the opinion of some on this board above what has been a very good year - good efficiency on scoring with decent playmaking. Just because he isn't the defender you would like as a defensive oriented fan..

I think post trade, given that the team was missing Domas for a large part, and playing now a tougher schedule, the team has looked competitive, but we'll see coming down the stretch. We aren't going to have many more of these murderous 3-4 game stretches which is what this was without Domas. It looks to me, with Domas in hand, a fun lower level playoff or playin team. And this is without Keon starting and making adjustments that will be made.

[codydaze]

Their ceiling is hosting a playin this year after the ill chemistry Fox team pre trade wasted the easy part of the schedule

Now we have fans overreacting to losing at fully healthy Clippers/Knicks b2b/warriors, which 20+ teams in the league could do, without their best player

In future seasons I think the core could compete for lower playoffs with youth improvement and attrition to the wests older guard - warriors/clips/Jokic is even in 30s/lebron/Gobert aging etc etc.

And you are lying here.
Brunson was missing from NY their best player.
Clippers were missing Powell who has been their 2nd best player.

But that's besides the. We weren't even competitive against NY or GS. This team isn't better than it was, don't let wins against Charlotte or Utah fool you, we've not beat a single good team or a single healthy team. We struggled vs Dallas who was missing the entire front court.

Nobody in this board agrees with you. This isnt a run it back situation. We give up 60% from 3 regularly, this isn't a coincidence. Teams are running layup lines against monk/lavine/demar.

Domas already came out and said he wants to meet with management to see what their "direction is" he's clearly not happy with the team post trade.

Don't wait for domas to ask out. Trade him day 1 of the offseason. Trade demar anywhere. Trade monk. We are stuck with lavine whose on an awful contract.

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

Any thoughts on Zach's 6 FGA last night? Motor issue?

[BoogieTime]

And you are lying here.
Brunson was missing from NY their best player.
Clippers were missing Powell who has been their 2nd best player.

But that's besides the. We weren't even competitive against NY or GS. This team isn't better than it was, don't let wins against Charlotte or Utah fool you, we've not beat a single good team or a single healthy team. We struggled vs Dallas who was missing the entire front court.

Nobody in this board agrees with you. This isnt a run it back situation. We give up 60% from 3 regularly, this isn't a coincidence. Teams are running layup lines against monk/lavine/demar.

Domas already came out and said he wants to meet with management to see what their "direction is" he's clearly not happy with the team post trade.

Don't wait for domas to ask out. Trade him day 1 of the offseason. Trade demar anywhere. Trade monk. We are stuck with lavine whose on an awful contract.

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

Any thoughts on Zach's 6 FGA last night? Motor issue?

Yes, but how is it you didn't notice the previous issue if you notice this one?

I think he does have an inconsistent motor, maybe not all the way to Fox's level where it affects swaths of seasons or entire seasons, but its why he's only a star and not a bonafide franchise guy

[LightTheBeam]

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

Why don't you start with these polls

1. Is lavine positive value on his contract (ask the trade board so we don't only get some Delusional Kings fans never heard of that board takes)

2. Did the kings give up positive value for lavine.

I think both those answers are a clear no. But what you don't get is even if the team is talented, the fit is atrocious.

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Everyone with any eye for basketball can see it's a mismatch roster that was thrown together on a whim. We have 5 shooting guards, 2 small forwards, and 2 centers in our 9 man rotation.

The team that drafted fox, haliburton, and Mitchell doesn't have a reliable point guard on the roster. We are lacking wings/playable forwards.

I don't care how talented the individual pieces are. This roster is built like a 12 year old starting making trade finder deals on nba2k with no regard for fit.

Certain players have reputations that for whatever reason are not in line with their current skillset... Those two questions would be better asked on the Bulls board, among fans that have watched him and know his game. I know he has a reputation, I think thats what has shaped the opinion of some on this board above what has been a very good year - good efficiency on scoring with decent playmaking. Just because he isn't the defender you would like as a defensive oriented fan..

I think post trade, given that the team was missing Domas for a large part, and playing now a tougher schedule, the team has looked competitive, but we'll see coming down the stretch. We aren't going to have many more of these murderous 3-4 game stretches which is what this was without Domas. It looks to me, with Domas in hand, a fun lower level playoff or playin team. And this is without Keon starting and making adjustments that will be made.

It actually doesn't really get any easier.

We have a 2nd night of b2b with Phx Suns tonight
We get the Grizzlies next
2 nights later we have the Cavs and then Bulls on 2nd night of back to back
Then 3 games in 4 nights which is the Bucks, Celtics, Thunder (which will be 100x harder than the 3 games stretch we just had)
Blazers, magic, Pacers to close out the rest of the month.

It wouldn't be crazy if we went won between 1-3 games of our next 10 to close out the month. 10 games in the next 17 days, 8 against playoff teams. 6-11 to finish the season is very optimistic and closes the season out at 39-43. 4-13 wouldn't surprise me at all.

[codydaze]

Are you saying the team pre trade would have done more than a last second OT which they were robbed with the Clippers having Kawhi back, a b2b game I didn’t want to watch let alone imagine the players could play, and the hottest team in the league the Warriors without their best player teams best player Domas? lol. 20+ teams in the league lose that stretch without their best player.

It still comes down to

Where were you pre trade with this take, if Lavine is arguably better than Fox

If he’s not according to you, maybe a third party poll is in order - KingsFans maybe

Any thoughts on Zach's 6 FGA last night? Motor issue?

Yes, but how is it you didn't notice the previous issue if you notice this one?

I think he does have an inconsistent motor, maybe not all the way to Fox's level where it affects swaths of seasons or entire seasons, but its why he's only a star and not a bonafide franchise guy

I don't really believe either were an issue, honestly. I do think Lavine can be a bit passive at times but I just want to make sure the criticisms are consistent. Because Fox's motor issues were always an issue for you as well as his impact stats, however Zach's impact stats are worse than Fox. His efficiency is better yet his impact stats are worse, why do you think that is?

[BoogieTime]

Any thoughts on Zach's 6 FGA last night? Motor issue?

Yes, but how is it you didn't notice the previous issue if you notice this one?

I think he does have an inconsistent motor, maybe not all the way to Fox's level where it affects swaths of seasons or entire seasons, but its why he's only a star and not a bonafide franchise guy

I don't really believe either were an issue, honestly. I do think Lavine can be a bit passive at times but I just want to make sure the criticisms are consistent. Because Fox's motor issues were always an issue for you as well as his impact stats, however Zach's impact stats are worse than Fox. His efficiency is better yet his impact stats are worse, why do you think that is?

Depending on the year, and place, Zach's impact stats have been better in Sac than De'aaron's in San Antonio I would think. They change. there is many year's Zach's impact stats are better I believe, but yes, one being marginally negative on D and the other solidly negative on D is a factor this year.

Zach still fits the modern more IMO