24-25 Trade Thread

[jeffjtk1234]

Sign tyus jones
Trade Demar for Wiggins
Trade sabonis for Zion


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[BoogieTime]

Wiretap saying what we already should have known

No rebuild

The fanbase has sat through decades of nonsense and is probably the furthest removed from title contention or bust than any other fanbase. We dont know the extent of Vivek’s meddling to that end, but to his defense, if he is meddling to compete, its absolutely the tone of the average ticket buyer in this town

The team is talented on paper. Domas/Lavine/DDr/Monk/Carter will be good/jv/hopefully LaRavia/hopefully Keegan-Keon improve absolutely compete for the playoffs in an aging west on paper, so we need to make sure the coaching is right. I’d go a different direction than Doug, but if you go with him he at least has a training camp to work with

Make a deal if it’s there

This was always going to be the course of action post trade, the next trade deadline if we’re having the same convo is when decisions will be made

[LightTheBeam]

Wiretap saying what we already should have known

No rebuild

The fanbase has sat through decades of nonsense and is probably the furthest removed from title contention or bust than any other fanbase. We dont know the extent of Vivek’s meddling to that end, but to his defense, if he is meddling to compete, its absolutely the tone of the average ticket buyer in this town

The team is talented on paper. Domas/Lavine/DDr/Monk/Carter will be good/jv/hopefully LaRavia/hopefully Keegan-Keon improve absolutely compete for the playoffs in an aging west on paper, so we need to make sure the coaching is right. I’d go a different direction than Doug, but if you go with him he at least has a training camp to work with

Make a deal if it’s there

This was always going to be the course of action post trade, the next trade deadline if we’re having the same convo is when decisions will be made

Christie back as HC.

One day you will see that Vivek burned this team to the ground piece by piece, and stop blindly supporting every move this mess of a franchise makes. We all knew LaVine/DDR doesn't work, and LaVine is the most overpaid player in the league. Sabonis is not a playoff performer. The aging west you speak on includes the Kings who are now built around 2 iso chuckers over 30.

[Jkam31]

https://youtu.be/qX2atvj6v3o?si=tKY5venFd3bvbS4t

I’d rank it:

Young
Zion
Morant

Looking at Young’s contract he can opt out next year so he might not cost a lot if offer Lavine, Carter, a first, and two seconds for Trae. Derozan and two seconds for Wiggins.

Young/Monk
Ellis
Wiggins/laveria
Keegan/lyles
Sabonis/jonas

Losing Carter hurts but Young is an elite talent
Surrounding Sabonis/Trae with keegan, Wiggins, and Ellis makes us an average defense at the very worst that’s two elite big wing defenders and Ellis whose elite guard defender. We’d have a good bench with monk, Jonas, and lavera

[Sactowndog]

This team consistently builds with the intent of just making the play-offs and consistently falls short. That will never changes as long as Vivek is in town barring some ping pong ball miracle that gets us in the top 2.

[LightTheBeam]

https://youtu.be/qX2atvj6v3o?si=tKY5venFd3bvbS4t

I’d rank it:

Young
Zion
Morant

Looking at Young’s contract he can opt out next year so he might not cost a lot if offer Lavine, Carter, a first, and two seconds for Trae. Derozan and two seconds for Wiggins.

Young/Monk
Ellis
Wiggins/laveria
Keegan/lyles
Sabonis/jonas

Losing Carter hurts but Young is an elite talent
Surrounding Sabonis/Trae with keegan, Wiggins, and Ellis makes us an average defense at the very worst that’s two elite big wing defenders and Ellis whose elite guard defender. We’d have a good bench with monk, Jonas, and lavera

There is no chance that is the cost of Trae. WE are talking about a star player who hasn't asked out. I think you have to at a minimum add 2 1sts to that offer, and still ATL has to be wanting to re-tool around the forwards for them to consider it.

And I have serious doubts that Miami trades Wiggins for Derozan. Maybe we can route Derozan elsewhere for some expirings to pass onto Miami.

[LightTheBeam]

So whats the direction of the team? Nobody should be safe right?

If the plan is to continue building around Sabonis, then Carter, Keon, Keegan should probably be here. Resign LaRavia if possible.

Keep 1 of Monk, LaVine, DeRozan. Team acknowledged we need a point guard and size. Assuming it's LaVine since hes the hardest to trade. JV should probably also be available, we need a center who can protect the rim and hopefully share a few mins with Sabonis.

Hardest part seems to be finding a point guard. But for this roster, Jrue feels like a pretty nice fit who won't cost a ton to get.

Boston out: Jrue / Boston in: Kuzma, 2 2nds
Kings out: JV, Demar / Kings in Jrue, PConn, Min player form Bucks
Bucks out: Kuzma, Pconn, Min player / Bucks in: Demar, JV

Still like Monk to Dallas for some combo of those guys. Maybe Naji, Powell, Hardy?

Throw the MLE at Adams?

Sabonis/Adams
Keegan/LaRavia
Naji
LaVine/Keon
Jrue/Carter

Considering the team won't tank, this looks like a solid two year plan?

[codydaze]

So whats the direction of the team? Nobody should be safe right?

If the plan is to continue building around Sabonis, then Carter, Keon, Keegan should probably be here. Resign LaRavia if possible.

Keep 1 of Monk, LaVine, DeRozan. Team acknowledged we need a point guard and size. Assuming it's LaVine since hes the hardest to trade. JV should probably also be available, we need a center who can protect the rim and hopefully share a few mins with Sabonis.

Hardest part seems to be finding a point guard. But for this roster, Jrue feels like a pretty nice fit who won't cost a ton to get.

Boston out: Jrue / Boston in: Kuzma, 2 2nds
Kings out: JV, Demar / Kings in Jrue, PConn, Min player form Bucks
Bucks out: Kuzma, Pconn, Min player / Bucks in: Demar, JV

Still like Monk to Dallas for some combo of those guys. Maybe Naji, Powell, Hardy?

Throw the MLE at Adams?

Sabonis/Adams
Keegan/LaRavia
Naji
LaVine/Keon
Jrue/Carter

Considering the team won't tank, this looks like a solid two year plan?

I'm all in on a Jrue for Derozan deal, I think that immediately helps with roster balance and Keon/Carter getting some mentorship from Jrue would be huge.

I think Monk can get some decent value too, I just hope it would be for some size. I'd check back in with Orlando about Isaac. I know they typically value him pretty highly and he has some risk with his injury but I think now would be the time to take that high risk move. If it doesn't work, oh well, just start the rebuild.

I still hope Perry can see the landscape of the Western Conference and decides to go into a full reset though. Just looking at the standings, the only teams that finished ahead of us I see as potential teams we can jump are Golden State due to them aging and Memphis only because of uncertainty with a new coach and the direction they decide with Ja and even JJJ's new contract. You look behind us though and Dallas should be improved, Portland should be improved and San Antonio should be improved. Where does that leave us? I know I'm preaching to the choir here but we're in one of the worst spots in the Conference, I think only Utah is in a worse position than us, New Orleans at least has Zion and Phoenix has Booker/KD as pieces that can accelerate improvement or asset accumulation.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm all in on a Jrue for Derozan deal, I think that immediately helps with roster balance and Keon/Carter getting some mentorship from Jrue would be huge.

I think Monk can get some decent value too, I just hope it would be for some size. I'd check back in with Orlando about Isaac. I know they typically value him pretty highly and he has some risk with his injury but I think now would be the time to take that high risk move. If it doesn't work, oh well, just start the rebuild.

I still hope Perry can see the landscape of the Western Conference and decides to go into a full reset though. Just looking at the standings, the only teams that finished ahead of us I see as potential teams we can jump are Golden State due to them aging and Memphis only because of uncertainty with a new coach and the direction they decide with Ja and even JJJ's new contract. You look behind us though and Dallas should be improved, Portland should be improved and San Antonio should be improved. Where does that leave us? I know I'm preaching to the choir here but we're in one of the worst spots in the Conference, I think only Utah is in a worse position than us, New Orleans at least has Zion and Phoenix has Booker/KD as pieces that can accelerate improvement or asset accumulation.

Ya you are 100% right. Trying to compete here is a fools errand.

I'm iffy on if we are in a better spot than Utah. They have a ton of young guys already on the roster. Kessler, Hendricks, Williams, George, Flip, Collier., #5 pick. They definitely messed up not trading high on Lauri, but at least they seem to have a direction of trying to add a star to the young core of guys.

Phx is really the only team that might be worse off than us. But they have a prime aged star who has been to the finals, and depending on what they do with KD they could kick start a re-tool. But the pick situation + beal leads me to choose Sac over them.

I'm also not going to bet against GS until I see it. They finished 28-13 to end the season. curry got hurt, but they could have made a legit finals run.

I think we know how this is going to go. We will finish 10-12, lose in the play-in, get a meh lotto pick, and kick the can for another year. Sabonis inevitably asks out, we get a crap return because we waited to long, and next year we watch Lavine tank commanding this team if Vivek likes it or not. Then Perry/Christie will be fired and Vivek will find the next crew to carry out his play-in plans.

I just wonder what a good owner could do here. Selling off Sabonis, Monk, Demar asap. Bottoming out next year while properly developing Carter, Keon, and Keegan. I'd love to see Keegan go out and shoot 15-20 attempts a game. If he fails he fails, but i'm still optimistic with more opportunity he could succeed.

[FarBeyondDriven]

it really feels hopeless. The only thing that will get me excited about our future is a complete tear down to the studs. Take back crappy contracts, get a bunch of young players and draft picks and let Perry build a team he wants armed with draft picks, the player he acquires via trades and cap space to spend once those young players are developed. It's the one path we've never faithfully stuck to. If we run it back it'll be the most boring and pointless season in forever ending in a 10th seed or worse accomplishing nothing but taking us out of the running for a top pick in what looks to be one of the strongest draft classes ever. We should be trying to get as many lottery picks for the 2026 draft as possible. If we take the opposite route and actually trade away future 1st rounders for a "star" we will be setting this franchise back a decade.

[Skybox]

Hear me out...

ORL sends: Suggs, Goga, ORL 26 frp (likely a lottery pick swap)
SAC sends: Sabonis
Why SAC: headed for a teardown, new GM, Sabonis sounding quietly and politely over it in exit interview. Frustrated. BIG frp swap is the value of the pick...it has a swap option with PHX and WAS - with WAS having first rights...so basically the 2nd best spot out of WAS, PHX, and ORL (with PHX likely blowing it up and WAS being WAS). Suggs is the heartbeat of ORL, but given the financials, it's him or Franz (and you're not getting Franz ). Suggs' deal is fantastic...$35 next year, but then steeply descends each year. Goga is more than adequate C at only $8m while SAC sets their course...he does all of the dirty work while Lavine and Derozan do the glamour stuff. Suggs & Carter have massive potential to be a nightmarish backcourt duo for years.

[BoogieTime]

Hear me out...

ORL sends: Suggs, Goga, ORL 26 frp (likely a lottery pick swap)
SAC sends: Sabonis
Why SAC: headed for a teardown, new GM, Sabonis sounding quietly and politely over it in exit interview. Frustrated. BIG frp swap is the value of the pick...it has a swap option with PHX and WAS - with WAS having first rights...so basically the 2nd best spot out of WAS, PHX, and ORL (with PHX likely blowing it up and WAS being WAS). Suggs is the heartbeat of ORL, but given the financials, it's him or Franz (and you're not getting Franz ). Suggs' deal is fantastic...$35 next year, but then steeply descends each year. Goga is more than adequate C at only $8m while SAC sets their course...he does all of the dirty work while Lavine and Derozan do the glamour stuff. Suggs & Carter have massive potential to be a nightmarish backcourt duo for years.

Bro, I don’t want to specifically keep saying it on the t/t forum because now it’s widely reported - we are trying to compete not rebuild

[FarBeyondDriven]

I'm going to proceed in this thread assuming Perry isn't empowered or even interested in doing a full-reset. Here's some trades that make sense for both teams. Again, not excited about it and ultimately nothing will really turn us into a contender but I imagine this is the type of busy work we can expect from Perry.

Nets - DeRozan and #42
Kings - Claxton and #27

Why would these teams do this?

Nets- I think the Nets wouldn't mind getting out from under the Claxton contract which has 4 more years on it albeit on a reasonable per year amount. They'll take back some salary which they can afford to do and flip DeRozan at the deadline to a contender which makes sending out the #27 pick more palatable.

Kings - Since aquiring Sabonis we've needed a shot-blocking, rim-runner to play alongside him. Claxton can guard the perimeter on switches and be a help shot-blocker while Sabonis and Valanciunas are on the floor with them left to guard bigger centers.

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10) but intriguing and likely a tough opponent teams won't enjoy facing

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Murray-Thiero (#27)
Sabonis-Jones
Claxton-Valanciunas

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Jazz - DeRozan and 2026 1st
Kings - Markkanen and Cody Williams

Why would these teams do this?

Jazz- I think the Jazz wouldn't mind getting out from under the Markkanen contract which has 4 more years on it, not because he's not great but because their 2026 pick is top 8 protected and he's wasting away on a tanking team. Taking back an expiring and a getting a 2026 1st in a loaded draft is worth including Cody Williams. DeRozan can be flipped at the deadline for picks.

Kings - Markkanen is smack dab in the middle of his prime and if they aren't going to find a shot-blocker to put next to Sabonis allowing him to play the 4 and create mismatches, the next best thing, and maybe even the preferable thing is to put a floor spacer at the 4 which is exactly what Markkanen provides. Losing Murray would hurt but gaining a very raw but talented Williams softens the blow.

Kings After Trade - fighting for seed 6-8. I'd be excited to watch this team. Potential playoff series winner but probably it's ceiling. Would likely need to acquire a vet wing so Williams and Pate aren't relied upon and can develop organically

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Williams-Pate (#42)
Markkanen
Sabonis-Valanciunas

*knowing Ainge this wouldn't be enough of a return. He'd probably insist on more draft picks or maybe even Murray which we absolutely should not do.
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Raptors - Quickley
Kings - DeRozan

Why would these teams do this?

Raptors - while I think they like Quickley I'm betting they have buyer's remorse and would rather have cap space going forward. They can get their PG of the future with the #9 pick (Traore, Demin, Fears, Jakucionis)

Kings - Clearly Perry doesn't think a starting PG is on the roster. This gets us a very solid guy just entering his prime

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10)

Quickley-Carter
LaVine-Monk-Ellis
Murray
Markovic (#42)-Jones
Sabonis-Valanciunas

[BoogieTime]

So far reported trade targets are Jrue and Barrett...

Not a fan of Barrett,he was inefficient last year and not good defensively according to the Raptors board (haven't watched him)? He'll be 25, so not sure of the upside. I guess there are few win now targets in the Kings reach, but... I'd probably prefer him to markannen who had a bad year starting a long contract and has no defensive fit with domas though

Jrue had a down year, but the pg market which we are in line for seems paltry... I guess I'm more of a fan of this move given the impact on culture he could have

[LightTheBeam]

I'm going to proceed in this thread assuming Perry isn't empowered or even interested in doing a full-reset. Here's some trades that make sense for both teams. Again, not excited about it and ultimately nothing will really turn us into a contender but I imagine this is the type of busy work we can expect from Perry.

Nets - DeRozan and #42
Kings - Claxton and #27

Why would these teams do this?

Nets- I think the Nets wouldn't mind getting out from under the Claxton contract which has 4 more years on it albeit on a reasonable per year amount. They'll take back some salary which they can afford to do and flip DeRozan at the deadline to a contender which makes sending out the #27 pick more palatable.

Kings - Since aquiring Sabonis we've needed a shot-blocking, rim-runner to play alongside him. Claxton can guard the perimeter on switches and be a help shot-blocker while Sabonis and Valanciunas are on the floor with them left to guard bigger centers.

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10) but intriguing and likely a tough opponent teams won't enjoy facing

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Murray-Thiero (#27)
Sabonis-Jones
Claxton-Valanciunas

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Jazz - DeRozan and 2026 1st
Kings - Markkanen and Cody Williams

Why would these teams do this?

Jazz- I think the Jazz wouldn't mind getting out from under the Markkanen contract which has 4 more years on it, not because he's not great but because their 2026 pick is top 8 protected and he's wasting away on a tanking team. Taking back an expiring and a getting a 2026 1st in a loaded draft is worth including Cody Williams. DeRozan can be flipped at the deadline for picks.

Kings - Markkanen is smack dab in the middle of his prime and if they aren't going to find a shot-blocker to put next to Sabonis allowing him to play the 4 and create mismatches, the next best thing, and maybe even the preferable thing is to put a floor spacer at the 4 which is exactly what Markkanen provides. Losing Murray would hurt but gaining a very raw but talented Williams softens the blow.

Kings After Trade - fighting for seed 6-8. I'd be excited to watch this team. Potential playoff series winner but probably it's ceiling. Would likely need to acquire a vet wing so Williams and Pate aren't relied upon and can develop organically

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Williams-Pate (#42)
Markkanen
Sabonis-Valanciunas

*knowing Ainge this wouldn't be enough of a return. He'd probably insist on more draft picks or maybe even Murray which we absolutely should not do.
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Raptors - Quickley
Kings - DeRozan

Why would these teams do this?

Raptors - while I think they like Quickley I'm betting they have buyer's remorse and would rather have cap space going forward. They can get their PG of the future with the #9 pick (Traore, Demin, Fears, Jakucionis)

Kings - Clearly Perry doesn't think a starting PG is on the roster. This gets us a very solid guy just entering his prime

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10)

Quickley-Carter
LaVine-Monk-Ellis
Murray
Markovic (#42)-Jones
Sabonis-Valanciunas

The first trade is bold. You are committing to Sabonis being a full time 4, I think thats a recipe for disaster. There should be some 2 big lineups this upcoming year, but it can't be full time.

The second trade is obviously a homerun, but I think its not legal, and also asking for Williams is greedy. From what I see, we'd have to make it Demar/Monk and add a pick. But if they accepted that i'd be all in there. Moves keegan back to the 3, gives a 7' shooter next to Sabonis. I'd love to see that.

The 3rd I think is also dead. Yes, IQ is overpaid. But the raptors clearly don't want to keep tanking (Ingram at deadline), and so asking them to find a rookie pg replacement seems unrealistic, especially while adding a position they have tons of overlap already on the roster.

I appreciate the uniqueness of looking outside the box with this trades, I just don't see any of them really making sense. I think ultimately we move Demar + picks for Jrue. Boston will fleece us, Jrue will fall off a cliff in 1-2 years, and we will be stuck paying him during the rebuild. Even the absolute best case trades for this off-season IMO lead to a losing team.

Demar for Jrue
Monk for PJ washington
Resign LaRavia

Sabonis/JV
Washington/LaRavia
Keegan
LaVine/Keon
Jrue/Carter

The reality is this team is built around two losers. Look at the theme of this post-season. Long wing defenders, star guards who can handle and score, big center who can stretch the floor, big center who can defend the rim. Every single team left checks those boxes off. We aren't anywhere close, we literally don't check a single box. Sabonis sadly is not a winning player, he can't anchor a defense, he can't be your top 3 scorer, his DHO is easily stuffed in the postseason where the game gets more physical. Then you get to LaVine who is just low IQ, low effort, career loser. The sooner we move on from those 2 the better we will be as a franchise.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I'm going to proceed in this thread assuming Perry isn't empowered or even interested in doing a full-reset. Here's some trades that make sense for both teams. Again, not excited about it and ultimately nothing will really turn us into a contender but I imagine this is the type of busy work we can expect from Perry.

Nets - DeRozan and #42
Kings - Claxton and #27

Why would these teams do this?

Nets- I think the Nets wouldn't mind getting out from under the Claxton contract which has 4 more years on it albeit on a reasonable per year amount. They'll take back some salary which they can afford to do and flip DeRozan at the deadline to a contender which makes sending out the #27 pick more palatable.

Kings - Since aquiring Sabonis we've needed a shot-blocking, rim-runner to play alongside him. Claxton can guard the perimeter on switches and be a help shot-blocker while Sabonis and Valanciunas are on the floor with them left to guard bigger centers.

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10) but intriguing and likely a tough opponent teams won't enjoy facing

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Murray-Thiero (#27)
Sabonis-Jones
Claxton-Valanciunas

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Jazz - DeRozan and 2026 1st
Kings - Markkanen and Cody Williams

Why would these teams do this?

Jazz- I think the Jazz wouldn't mind getting out from under the Markkanen contract which has 4 more years on it, not because he's not great but because their 2026 pick is top 8 protected and he's wasting away on a tanking team. Taking back an expiring and a getting a 2026 1st in a loaded draft is worth including Cody Williams. DeRozan can be flipped at the deadline for picks.

Kings - Markkanen is smack dab in the middle of his prime and if they aren't going to find a shot-blocker to put next to Sabonis allowing him to play the 4 and create mismatches, the next best thing, and maybe even the preferable thing is to put a floor spacer at the 4 which is exactly what Markkanen provides. Losing Murray would hurt but gaining a very raw but talented Williams softens the blow.

Kings After Trade - fighting for seed 6-8. I'd be excited to watch this team. Potential playoff series winner but probably it's ceiling. Would likely need to acquire a vet wing so Williams and Pate aren't relied upon and can develop organically

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Williams-Pate (#42)
Markkanen
Sabonis-Valanciunas

*knowing Ainge this wouldn't be enough of a return. He'd probably insist on more draft picks or maybe even Murray which we absolutely should not do.
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Raptors - Quickley
Kings - DeRozan

Why would these teams do this?

Raptors - while I think they like Quickley I'm betting they have buyer's remorse and would rather have cap space going forward. They can get their PG of the future with the #9 pick (Traore, Demin, Fears, Jakucionis)

Kings - Clearly Perry doesn't think a starting PG is on the roster. This gets us a very solid guy just entering his prime

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10)

Quickley-Carter
LaVine-Monk-Ellis
Murray
Markovic (#42)-Jones
Sabonis-Valanciunas

The first trade is bold. You are committing to Sabonis being a full time 4, I think thats a recipe for disaster. There should be some 2 big lineups this upcoming year, but it can't be full time.

The second trade is obviously a homerun, but I think its not legal, and also asking for Williams is greedy. From what I see, we'd have to make it Demar/Monk and add a pick. But if they accepted that i'd be all in there. Moves keegan back to the 3, gives a 7' shooter next to Sabonis. I'd love to see that.

The 3rd I think is also dead. Yes, IQ is overpaid. But the raptors clearly don't want to keep tanking (Ingram at deadline), and so asking them to find a rookie pg replacement seems unrealistic, especially while adding a position they have tons of overlap already on the roster.

I appreciate the uniqueness of looking outside the box with this trades, I just don't see any of them really making sense. I think ultimately we move Demar + picks for Jrue. Boston will fleece us, Jrue will fall off a cliff in 1-2 years, and we will be stuck paying him during the rebuild. Even the absolute best case trades for this off-season IMO lead to a losing team.

Demar for Jrue
Monk for PJ washington
Resign LaRavia

Sabonis/JV
Washington/LaRavia
Keegan
LaVine/Keon
Jrue/Carter

The reality is this team is built around two losers. Look at the theme of this post-season. Long wing defenders, star guards who can handle and score, big center who can stretch the floor, big center who can defend the rim. Every single team left checks those boxes off. We aren't anywhere close, we literally don't check a single box. Sabonis sadly is not a winning player, he can't anchor a defense, he can't be your top 3 scorer, his DHO is easily stuffed in the postseason where the game gets more physical. Then you get to LaVine who is just low IQ, low effort, career loser. The sooner we move on from those 2 the better we will be as a franchise.

The Mavericks and Knicks have used two-big lineups to make deep playoff runs. All I'm saying if we're stuck with Sabonis we have to do something different and I'd just as soon try putting him at the 4 and have the offense continue to run through him at the top of the key but utilize him more as a shooter since he's actually good now. He's shot 37%, 37%, and 41% from three since joining us. Have those attempts go up to 5 per game in line with Jokic and KAT. It'd alleviate the spacing concerns allowing LaVine, Monk and Carter to drive and kick more. Keegan would see more open looks. Our rebounding and interior defense would get better.

I honestly think that's the most realistic trade of the three and could see it happening. I of course would rather trade Sabonis, LaVine and DeRozan and load up on 2026 draft picks and tank. I'm assuming these types of trades are how Perry is going to proceed. The reason why DeRozan for Jrue seems unlikely is because it does nothing to solve the Celtics pressing $500 million bill since they wouldn't be actually be lowering their cap hit. I guess the only way that would work is if a 3rd team took DeRozan in exchange for picks from us and the Celtics which I guess is a possibility.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm going to proceed in this thread assuming Perry isn't empowered or even interested in doing a full-reset. Here's some trades that make sense for both teams. Again, not excited about it and ultimately nothing will really turn us into a contender but I imagine this is the type of busy work we can expect from Perry.

Nets - DeRozan and #42
Kings - Claxton and #27

Why would these teams do this?

Nets- I think the Nets wouldn't mind getting out from under the Claxton contract which has 4 more years on it albeit on a reasonable per year amount. They'll take back some salary which they can afford to do and flip DeRozan at the deadline to a contender which makes sending out the #27 pick more palatable.

Kings - Since aquiring Sabonis we've needed a shot-blocking, rim-runner to play alongside him. Claxton can guard the perimeter on switches and be a help shot-blocker while Sabonis and Valanciunas are on the floor with them left to guard bigger centers.

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10) but intriguing and likely a tough opponent teams won't enjoy facing

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Murray-Thiero (#27)
Sabonis-Jones
Claxton-Valanciunas

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Jazz - DeRozan and 2026 1st
Kings - Markkanen and Cody Williams

Why would these teams do this?

Jazz- I think the Jazz wouldn't mind getting out from under the Markkanen contract which has 4 more years on it, not because he's not great but because their 2026 pick is top 8 protected and he's wasting away on a tanking team. Taking back an expiring and a getting a 2026 1st in a loaded draft is worth including Cody Williams. DeRozan can be flipped at the deadline for picks.

Kings - Markkanen is smack dab in the middle of his prime and if they aren't going to find a shot-blocker to put next to Sabonis allowing him to play the 4 and create mismatches, the next best thing, and maybe even the preferable thing is to put a floor spacer at the 4 which is exactly what Markkanen provides. Losing Murray would hurt but gaining a very raw but talented Williams softens the blow.

Kings After Trade - fighting for seed 6-8. I'd be excited to watch this team. Potential playoff series winner but probably it's ceiling. Would likely need to acquire a vet wing so Williams and Pate aren't relied upon and can develop organically

Monk-Carter
LaVine-Ellis
Williams-Pate (#42)
Markkanen
Sabonis-Valanciunas

*knowing Ainge this wouldn't be enough of a return. He'd probably insist on more draft picks or maybe even Murray which we absolutely should not do.
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Raptors - Quickley
Kings - DeRozan

Why would these teams do this?

Raptors - while I think they like Quickley I'm betting they have buyer's remorse and would rather have cap space going forward. They can get their PG of the future with the #9 pick (Traore, Demin, Fears, Jakucionis)

Kings - Clearly Perry doesn't think a starting PG is on the roster. This gets us a very solid guy just entering his prime

Kings After Trade - fighting for play-in (seed 7-10)

Quickley-Carter
LaVine-Monk-Ellis
Murray
Markovic (#42)-Jones
Sabonis-Valanciunas

The first trade is bold. You are committing to Sabonis being a full time 4, I think thats a recipe for disaster. There should be some 2 big lineups this upcoming year, but it can't be full time.

The second trade is obviously a homerun, but I think its not legal, and also asking for Williams is greedy. From what I see, we'd have to make it Demar/Monk and add a pick. But if they accepted that i'd be all in there. Moves keegan back to the 3, gives a 7' shooter next to Sabonis. I'd love to see that.

The 3rd I think is also dead. Yes, IQ is overpaid. But the raptors clearly don't want to keep tanking (Ingram at deadline), and so asking them to find a rookie pg replacement seems unrealistic, especially while adding a position they have tons of overlap already on the roster.

I appreciate the uniqueness of looking outside the box with this trades, I just don't see any of them really making sense. I think ultimately we move Demar + picks for Jrue. Boston will fleece us, Jrue will fall off a cliff in 1-2 years, and we will be stuck paying him during the rebuild. Even the absolute best case trades for this off-season IMO lead to a losing team.

Demar for Jrue
Monk for PJ washington
Resign LaRavia

Sabonis/JV
Washington/LaRavia
Keegan
LaVine/Keon
Jrue/Carter

The reality is this team is built around two losers. Look at the theme of this post-season. Long wing defenders, star guards who can handle and score, big center who can stretch the floor, big center who can defend the rim. Every single team left checks those boxes off. We aren't anywhere close, we literally don't check a single box. Sabonis sadly is not a winning player, he can't anchor a defense, he can't be your top 3 scorer, his DHO is easily stuffed in the postseason where the game gets more physical. Then you get to LaVine who is just low IQ, low effort, career loser. The sooner we move on from those 2 the better we will be as a franchise.

The Mavericks and Knicks have used two-big lineups to make deep playoff runs. All I'm saying if we're stuck with Sabonis we have to do something different and I'd just as soon try putting him at the 4 and have the offense continue to run through him at the top of the key but utilize him more as a shooter since he's actually good now. He's shot 37%, 37%, and 41% from three since joining us. Have those attempts go up to 5 per game in line with Jokic and KAT. It'd alleviate the spacing concerns allowing LaVine, Monk and Carter to drive and kick more. Keegan would see more open looks. Our rebounding and interior defense would get better.

I honestly think that's the most realistic trade of the three and could see it happening. I of course would rather trade Sabonis, LaVine and DeRozan and load up on 2026 draft picks and tank. I'm assuming these types of trades are how Perry is going to proceed. The reason why DeRozan for Jrue seems unlikely is because it does nothing to solve the Celtics pressing $500 million bill since they wouldn't be actually be lowering their cap hit. I guess the only way that would work is if a 3rd team took DeRozan in exchange for picks from us and the Celtics which I guess is a possibility.

All of the teams left are using two big lineups. But the common theme is 1 can shoot very well. Sabonis was able to shoot this year, but it's a much different type of shot than Jokic, Towns, Naz Reid, Chet, etc.. Those guys are able to catch and shoot with limited space. Sabonis attempted 156 3s this year, 148 of them came with a defender 6+ feet away. 8 of them came with a defender 4-6 feet away. None were attempted with a defender within 4 feet. https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627734/shots-dash?SeasonType=Regular+Season

He also has zero ability to shoot 3s off the dribble. Which almost all those good 3pt shooters are able to pump, dribble, then shoot 3s. He doesn't have that in his game. I think if you want to run two bigs, the 2nd big absolutely has to be able to shoot. Chet, JJJ, Wemby, Naz Reid, Porzingis, Aaron Gordon. These are the guys who come to mind, but they are super in demand. KP maybe attainable but he comes with his own baggage. So then you look at the next level of guys like PJ Washington, Jabari Smith, Rui, who have decent size, can defend and can shoot 3s. This group is more attainable.

You could just commit to playing two non shooter bigs and loading the rest of the roster with shooters, but you probably need the 2nd one to be able to at least hit a mid range shot. This is also why i disliked the JV trade. He's not a rim protector, and he can't really play with Sabonis because neither can defend the perimeter. That trade seemed more like Vivek wouldn't let Monte trade a 1st so he went and got the best backup center 2 2nds could buy.

As for why Demar for Holiday makes sense for Boston.
Demar is guaranteed 34 over the next 2 years.
Holiday is guaranteed 104.
This saves the Celtics 70 million over the next 3 years + massive amounts of lux tax payments. Nobody really has cap space this year outside of Brooklyn (who has said they won't keep tanking). Maybe they could dump KP expiring on Brooklyn, but I doubt they'd take Jrue without serious compensation. Now they could also look at continuing to trade down, like flipping Demar to Charlotte for Nurkic, that saving them an extra 5 million year 1, and 10 million year 2. It just depends what kind of assets they want to attach to Jrue to save money. But I was just trying to avoid the weeds.

[LightTheBeam]

Hear me out...

ORL sends: Suggs, Goga, ORL 26 frp (likely a lottery pick swap)
SAC sends: Sabonis
Why SAC: headed for a teardown, new GM, Sabonis sounding quietly and politely over it in exit interview. Frustrated. BIG frp swap is the value of the pick...it has a swap option with PHX and WAS - with WAS having first rights...so basically the 2nd best spot out of WAS, PHX, and ORL (with PHX likely blowing it up and WAS being WAS). Suggs is the heartbeat of ORL, but given the financials, it's him or Franz (and you're not getting Franz ). Suggs' deal is fantastic...$35 next year, but then steeply descends each year. Goga is more than adequate C at only $8m while SAC sets their course...he does all of the dirty work while Lavine and Derozan do the glamour stuff. Suggs & Carter have massive potential to be a nightmarish backcourt duo for years.

Sac really doesn't need anymore guards, but I would personally do this, or something close to it. I think including Monk back to Orlando for more assets makes even more sense.

Suggs, Goga, Isaac, Da Silva
for
Sabonis, Monk

This would probably be my offer. Monk had great chemistry with Sabonis prior to LaVine showing up. Not to overly complicate this, but I wonder then if Magic could use those picks + WCJ + Harris for a backup wing. I like Rui there.

Sabonis/Wagner
Banchero/Rui
Wagner
KCP/Monk
Black/Cole

for Sac, Suggs, Keon, Carter is an awesome start to the backcourt and young enough to grow with. We then need to find a home for JV and Demar.

[LightTheBeam]

Full tear down idea cuz why not -

Sabonis for suggs + goga + #16

Monk for Pj washington + Hardy

Demar for jaime jaquez jr + rozier

Jv for Brandon Clark + konchar + GG (we absorb konchar in tpe)

Lavine for mark williams, nurkic, Josh Green, okogie

Final roster
Mark williams/Brandon Clarke
PJ Washington/GG
Keegan/JJJ
Keon Ellis/#16
Suggs/Carter

Kings add a bunch of younger guys who still have a lot to give. We instantly go from undersized to one of the biggest teams. This is a defense first team with tons of potential. It has all the components waiting for a true #1 and plenty of consolidation potential for when we do find that #1. Optional could move PJ washington along for the best pick possible, but id prefer to keep him and see what this team could do.

[cedric76]

Would you trade monk for Cole Anthony+ Jett Howard+ FRP 2025?