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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#141 » by pillwenney » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:09 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:I really hope Artest wasn't thoroughly mislead in order to simply give the Kings more time to shop him. If true, that is pretty cutthroat on Petries part. Although I don't think there is any blame to be thrown around at this point I just hope it isn't true.

The longer Artest is here the uglier this will get. Artest has every right to be frustrated and I expect a trade demand sooner or later. Not because he would want to leave necessarily, but because it may be the best option for him in his effort to get a long term deal somewhere. That place is clearly not here.

If we trade him this summer can we sign him to an extension then trade him if the other team would prefer that?


Again, I doubt that was what happened. We'll never know for sure, but if you read that whole paragraph here it says that he apologizes for suggesting that the Kings mislead him.

My guess is that his agent knew what was going to happen and mislead Ron, because the fact of the matter is that the '09 summer will be much better with respect to possible suitors (and even though I think Ron will re-sign with whatever team he ends up with, more suitors will mean much more negotiating leverage). So his agent convinced him to stick around for a year.

And I really don't this this has much of any shot of getting ugly. Ron knows he'll have to be on his best behavior this year (and aside from that he has just generally grown up in a lot of ways), and it seems pretty clear that everyone involved knows that Geoff will be looking to trade him, so any kind of public trade request would be pointless.

And no, we can't sign him to an extension before hand in all likelihood. I mean I think it's possible, but it would make his contract a poison pill IIRC, which would make a trade very hard to pull off logistically. However, I do believe that an extension can potentially be agreed on before hand between the future team and the player. That's what happened with KG and Boston last summer.
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#142 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:24 pm

That's right, I think there is a reason it can't be done, or very easily at least.
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#143 » by Smills91 » Tue Jul 8, 2008 2:26 am

mitchweber wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:I really hope Artest wasn't thoroughly mislead in order to simply give the Kings more time to shop him. If true, that is pretty cutthroat on Petries part. Although I don't think there is any blame to be thrown around at this point I just hope it isn't true.

The longer Artest is here the uglier this will get. Artest has every right to be frustrated and I expect a trade demand sooner or later. Not because he would want to leave necessarily, but because it may be the best option for him in his effort to get a long term deal somewhere. That place is clearly not here.

If we trade him this summer can we sign him to an extension then trade him if the other team would prefer that?


Again, I doubt that was what happened. We'll never know for sure, but if you read that whole paragraph here it says that he apologizes for suggesting that the Kings mislead him.

My guess is that his agent knew what was going to happen and mislead Ron, because the fact of the matter is that the '09 summer will be much better with respect to possible suitors (and even though I think Ron will re-sign with whatever team he ends up with, more suitors will mean much more negotiating leverage). So his agent convinced him to stick around for a year.

And I really don't this this has much of any shot of getting ugly. Ron knows he'll have to be on his best behavior this year (and aside from that he has just generally grown up in a lot of ways), and it seems pretty clear that everyone involved knows that Geoff will be looking to trade him, so any kind of public trade request would be pointless.

And no, we can't sign him to an extension before hand in all likelihood. I mean I think it's possible, but it would make his contract a poison pill IIRC, which would make a trade very hard to pull off logistically. However, I do believe that an extension can potentially be agreed on before hand between the future team and the player. That's what happened with KG and Boston last summer.


That's not EXACTLY what happened, but it's pretty close.
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#144 » by Kodiak Is. King » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:40 am

Fellow Kings Fans,

My name is Matt, I have consistently read all Kings posts here now for years...

(I live on Kodiak Is...)

Nice to finally be apart of this conversation regarding the best future for our Team...

First off, a great draft. Superb! Signing Beno a solid move and we should be Done now...hold pat!


More importantly, let's show Artest the Love. I think we build around Artest. Why is this such an imbessilic notion? Besides Artest off the court, is he not our best player? To achieve the Title, don't we need a superstar of his caliber?

I say sign Artest to a long term deal this season if things go well, and meanwhile, I am stoked to have the caliber of player that Artest brings to each and every game paired with our emerging "all star caliber" coach...

I write this as a Kings fan...not necessarily an Artest fan...

I think we should stick with this team...no trades before the beginning of this season...to let them grow and to "blossom" as our 08 Kings. This will in my opinion be a special team with a strong nucleus of Vets and Youth...

Go Kings!


PS...Smills...let's leave the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge be! (as was designed by Fed law)--smiling
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#145 » by KingInExile » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:26 am

Kodiak Is. King wrote:Fellow Kings Fans,

My name is Matt, I have consistently read all Kings posts here now for years...

(I live on Kodiak Is...)

Nice to finally be apart of this conversation regarding the best future for our Team...

First off, a great draft. Superb! Signing Beno a solid move and we should be Done now...hold pat!


More importantly, let's show Artest the Love. I think we build around Artest. Why is this such an imbessilic notion? Besides Artest off the court, is he not our best player? To achieve the Title, don't we need a superstar of his caliber?

I say sign Artest to a long term deal this season if things go well, and meanwhile, I am stoked to have the caliber of player that Artest brings to each and every game paired with our emerging "all star caliber" coach...

I write this as a Kings fan...not necessarily an Artest fan...

I think we should stick with this team...no trades before the beginning of this season...to let them grow and to "blossom" as our 08 Kings. This will in my opinion be a special team with a strong nucleus of Vets and Youth...

Go Kings!


PS...Smills...let's leave the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge be! (as was designed by Fed law)--smiling

Welcome to the boards. One thing, though...we're really trying hard to not get politics mixed into the basketball discussion. We're not always successful, and I know I slip up from time to time. But I will still ask to please refrain from political comments in the future (no hard feelings or anything, just a little reminder).
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#146 » by Kodiak Is. King » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:30 am

I smile as I graciously accept your reminder about politics...

I shall refrain...


Thanks for the opportunity to participate!
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#147 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:39 am

Kodiak Is. King wrote:Fellow Kings Fans,

My name is Matt, I have consistently read all Kings posts here now for years...

(I live on Kodiak Is...)

Nice to finally be apart of this conversation regarding the best future for our Team...

First off, a great draft. Superb! Signing Beno a solid move and we should be Done now...hold pat!


More importantly, let's show Artest the Love. I think we build around Artest. Why is this such an imbessilic notion? Besides Artest off the court, is he not our best player? To achieve the Title, don't we need a superstar of his caliber?

I say sign Artest to a long term deal this season if things go well, and meanwhile, I am stoked to have the caliber of player that Artest brings to each and every game paired with our emerging "all star caliber" coach...

I write this as a Kings fan...not necessarily an Artest fan...

I think we should stick with this team...no trades before the beginning of this season...to let them grow and to "blossom" as our 08 Kings. This will in my opinion be a special team with a strong nucleus of Vets and Youth...

Go Kings!


PS...Smills...let's leave the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge be! (as was designed by Fed law)--smiling



Well because, for one, the GM of the team apparently thinks it is. Sure, we could build around Artest but 90% of the team (mostly made up of young players Petrie sought out himself) is COMPLETELY wrong for the type of team you should build around Ron Artest. Or even put Ron Artest on for that matter.

Hey, believe it or not, I would be OK with building around Ron given the situation, or would have been at one point. But the fact of the matter is that the majority of the work done in the last 2-3 years heads in the opposite direction. If building a team around Ron Artest was possible, or was the idea, the process would have been underway by now don't you think?

The Bonzi thing kind of killed it IMO. I think we could have gone in an entirely different direction and built a team around those two bulldozers as they pummeled opponents left and right. Could have traded guys like Miller, maybe Martin, etc. for a group of tough thugs and basically be an updated version of the NY Knicks of the mid-90's. That would have been FUN! But it didn't happen (luckily for us most likely!!!) and Petrie looks to be building a team more reminiscent of the early 21st century Kings than the Knicks of the mid-90's.

Oh, and welcome to the board!
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#148 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 8, 2008 6:53 am

You know thinking about the Ron Artest/Bonzi thing, it got me thinking. Maybe it isn't too late? If we were to flip and build around Ron I would maybe go for this.

#1: Sign Bonzi Wells with the LLE or sign and trade for him

#2: Get rid of the high IQ ball players

a) Trade Brad Miller for Rasheed Wallace

We add a tough ball player that fits into the window of our new identity and he fits it very well.

b) Kevin Martin/whatever it takes to make salaries match(assuming Kenny and/or or Reef are involved) for Kirk Hinrich/filler/future 1st

Tough, defensive minded PG that can spread the floor. He'll fit nice on a team that will certainly need the shooting ability. Plus he can set up the offense when needed, other than that he stands out on the perimeter and waits for Bonzi or Ron to give him the ball. Value sucks, but once again, we need the skill set.

c) John Salmons for Joel Przybilla

Downgrade in talent but we pick up a legit 7 foot shotblocker. Ostertag style at the C spot, he pounds whoever comes into the paint. When he's out Shelden pounds whoever's left.




d) Use Jason/Spencer/filler in a multi-team deal to bring Matt Harpring/future draft considerations from a lower level team.

Get another tough guy for depth and secure more possible talent for the future.


That leaves:

PG: Hinrich/Beno
SG: Bonzi/Garcia/Douby
SF: Artest/Harpring
PF: Sheed/Shelden
C: Przybilla/Moore


Now that is the kind of team to build around Ron Artest. To be honest I wouldn't do this, but it is quite easily the toughest, if no possibly the most combustible team in the history of the league. No team is going to want to meet that squad in the playoffs. It may be crazy enough to work. Still, I'd rather hop on the train headed in the opposite direction myself.
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#149 » by pillwenney » Tue Jul 8, 2008 6:26 pm

The thing about a team with wings in the post is that you almost need your bigs to be able to shoot from the outside. Otherwise teams can just double off of Pryzbilla with their bigs to bother Ron and Bonzi.

Regardless, Bonzi looks like he's past his prime, and that's just one reason why that couldn't work.
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#150 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jul 8, 2008 6:59 pm

mitchweber wrote:The thing about a team with wings in the post is that you almost need your bigs to be able to shoot from the outside. Otherwise teams can just double off of Pryzbilla with their bigs to bother Ron and Bonzi.

Regardless, Bonzi looks like he's past his prime, and that's just one reason why that couldn't work.


Hence Rasheed Wallace. That and we still have Mikki Moore. Then Hinrich, who is a little bit like Bibby in terms of shooting ability at the PG position. Plus I think this team would go small quite often with Bonzi or Ron at PF, Cisco at the 3, Hinrich at the 2, and Beno at the 1. Plus this will give Ron the freedom to do his step back, fadeaway, spin around jumpers he seems to be able to make better than a set shot.
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Re: Now what Happens? 

Post#151 » by pillwenney » Tue Jul 8, 2008 7:11 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
mitchweber wrote:The thing about a team with wings in the post is that you almost need your bigs to be able to shoot from the outside. Otherwise teams can just double off of Pryzbilla with their bigs to bother Ron and Bonzi.

Regardless, Bonzi looks like he's past his prime, and that's just one reason why that couldn't work.


Hence Rasheed Wallace. That and we still have Mikki Moore. Then Hinrich, who is a little bit like Bibby in terms of shooting ability at the PG position. Plus I think this team would go small quite often with Bonzi or Ron at PF, Cisco at the 3, Hinrich at the 2, and Beno at the 1. Plus this will give Ron the freedom to do his step back, fadeaway, spin around jumpers he seems to be able to make better than a set shot.



It doesn't matter how good 1 of the shooters in the starting 5 is. As long as Pryzbilla is in the game, he would absolutely kill the spacing for that system, making it just not work at all.
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Post#152 » by SadKingsFan » Wed Jul 9, 2008 4:10 am

Meh, Petrie wouldnt do one deal after another like that anyway. We might as well just wait until we get some offers in Febuary.
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Post#153 » by VeeJay24 » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:19 am

I don't believe Theus would want that team, it would be the total opposite of the style he would like to play. Plus, it would be completely dumb since the team still wouldn't be able to win it all. Leaving the need to rebuild again in a couple years.
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Post#154 » by Smills91 » Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:20 pm

I'd kinda like to see this happen:

two deals this off-season...
Trade 1:

Kings out: Ron Artest
Kings in: Thad Young, Reggie Evans

Sixers out: Thad Young, Reggie Evans
Sixers in: Ron Artest

Trade 2:
Kings in: Larry Hughes
Kings out: SAR, K9

Bulls in: SAR, K9
Bulls out: Larry Hughes


Kings new roster:
C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes, Shelden Williams
PF: Mikki Moore, Jason Thompson, Reggie Evans
SF: John Salmons, Thaddeus Young, Pat Ewing Jr.
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Quincy Douby
PG: Beno Udrih, Sean Singletary, Larry Hughes

We just improve and compete THIS season, then next season we're loaded up with 30+ million in expirings. Perhaps look to deal Brad at the deadline for additional draft picks/size and move forward. We'll be loaded with young talent and in a position to add some significant pieces a la Philly has this season.
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Post#155 » by pillwenney » Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:31 pm

I would really want to look to move Evans to a 3rd team for a player whose contract doesn't take up space in the '10 offseason. But other than that, if Philly were down for that, and if Geoff likes Young for what our direction will be, then I'd be all for it.
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Post#156 » by deNIEd » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:05 pm

Haha, Smills,

First Thornton
Then Wright
Now Young

Make up your mind already :P

But, if Artest can net us any of those players, I'd be extremely happy, as that would be an ideal move and a perfect step forward
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Post#157 » by RIPskaterdude » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:07 pm

mitchweber wrote:I would really want to look to move Evans to a 3rd team for a player whose contract doesn't take up space in the '10 offseason. But other than that, if Philly were down for that, and if Geoff likes Young for what our direction will be, then I'd be all for it.


76ers would never trade Young/Evans for Artest. Go look on their board, they view Young like we do with Martin. Would you trade Kevin Martin/Filler for a Ron Artest?
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Post#158 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:53 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
mitchweber wrote:I would really want to look to move Evans to a 3rd team for a player whose contract doesn't take up space in the '10 offseason. But other than that, if Philly were down for that, and if Geoff likes Young for what our direction will be, then I'd be all for it.


76ers would never trade Young/Evans for Artest. Go look on their board, they view Young like we do with Martin. Would you trade Kevin Martin/Filler for a Ron Artest?



If their front office feels the same then they are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). They really have no assets to go out and get a 3rd wheel. If this kind of deal came along they would have to take it. Where else are they going to find a perfect 3rd wheel making affordable and tradeable salary?

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