2010 Free Agents

[deNIEd]

^^^ Vee, You say 2010 is a long time away. That is exactly my point! Why plan everything around getting under the cap 2 years away when we don't even know what we will need at that time, or who will be available (most frachise players/free agent will resign with their team by then). If we are under the cap that's great but I don't think we should sacrifice anything now just to get to that point. I am not saying this to you specific but to everyone in general. I hear people all the time say we should pass on this deal or that deal because it will mess up our cap situation in 2010 and we wont be able to make a run at a big time free agent. Which IMO is stupid because we aren't getting a big time free agent, it has not happened yet and I doubt it will happen.

Also, I did not say you specifically were talking Lebron or Wade I said "you all".

Is Salmons contract up by 2010, if not and he is still on the team and Martin as well then I would really hate to see us get under the cap so we can throw big money at Joe Johnson, that's all. I would rather keep Salmons, Martin, and resign Garcia for much less than throw close to max type money that Joe is probably going to ask for.

Because our team sucks, and we have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN EVER COMING CLOSE TO A TITLE WITH THE ROSTER WE HAVE.

Its a given that our team sucks right now (compared to teams contending for a title) and that we need to add talent to this team. We clearly aren't planning on changing our team around via the draft, since we aren't/most likely won't ever be in a position to draft a superstud (franchise type player, Oden, Durant, Horford, Beasley, Rose, etc.) It appears that teams are reluctant to trade with Petrie, and counting on any trade in turning us around is incredilbly stupid. And we most likely won't be in a position to sign a super star free agent either, since, we are Sacramento and not New York/LA/Chicago.

Our team can only be rebuilt using all three, and maxing out each possible area of improvement. Draft the best we can, trade the best we can, however, that does not mean that a free agent isn't necessary. Our team will go nowhere without a big name free agent to help out our team.

[KingInExile]

Enough with the extra large text.

[BMiller52]

^^^ Vee, You say 2010 is a long time away. That is exactly my point! Why plan everything around getting under the cap 2 years away when we don't even know what we will need at that time, or who will be available (most frachise players/free agent will resign with their team by then). If we are under the cap that's great but I don't think we should sacrifice anything now just to get to that point. I am not saying this to you specific but to everyone in general. I hear people all the time say we should pass on this deal or that deal because it will mess up our cap situation in 2010 and we wont be able to make a run at a big time free agent. Which IMO is stupid because we aren't getting a big time free agent, it has not happened yet and I doubt it will happen.

Also, I did not say you specifically were talking Lebron or Wade I said "you all".

Is Salmons contract up by 2010, if not and he is still on the team and Martin as well then I would really hate to see us get under the cap so we can throw big money at Joe Johnson, that's all. I would rather keep Salmons, Martin, and resign Garcia for much less than throw close to max type money that Joe is probably going to ask for.

Because our team sucks, and we have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN EVER COMING CLOSE TO A TITLE WITH THE ROSTER WE HAVE.

Yes because team rosters stay the same forever

[ICMTM]

I don't think you spend money (especially in this market) unless it's a sure thing. I don't see us going after Joe Johnson unless it's painfully obvious he's the guy that gets us over the top.

As far as comparing Joe Johnson to Salmons or Garcia I'll break it down like this:

Garcia + Salmons = Johnson

Johnson's skill set encompasses everything those two can do, and Johnson can do it better. I just don't like Joe as the guy for the Kings.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

unless you have a time machine , trying to say what the Kings will need two years from now is just plain silly...

alot of things can change in two years...

[deNIEd]

Yes because team rosters stay the same forever

No, but the relative talent on a team does stay somewhat the same, unless either you add more talent via draft or free agency. Our team, looks like a team that will be drafting from late-lotto to mid first, meaning, talent won't be that high in terms of our draft picks. Typically those players will be solid players, but nothing extremely special. Trades are a wash, you need two teams to agree, but you do have raping trades (Webber, Gasol, etc.) however, those are extremely rare. Then you come down to the free agency.

So, according to you, don't be in a position to get a high draft pick, don't have cap room to sign a free agent. Hmm....so how exactly do you expect this team to ever be good?

unless you have a time machine , trying to say what the Kings will need two years from now is just plain silly...

alot of things can change in two years...

That sounds like Isiah Thomas, in what shape or form, is having cap space bad.

[Fola314]

I don't think we should go after a swingman in 2010. I think we should take a look at Horford or Bosh or try to trade for an all-star big. Obviously the other issue is the point guard position, so over the next 2 years I think we should attempt to upgrade via trade. Basically what I'm trying to say is trade for a PG and sign a big in 2010, or trade for a big and sign a PG in 2010. It's either that or hope we land a star in the draft, but thats unlikely considering we will win 35 games a year.

If you look at our swingmen now and our swingmen when we were contenders I'd say we are on par. Martin/Artest and Salmons/Garcia is about as good as Doug/Peja. Even without Artest I think we are still doing pretty good in those positions, assuming Kevin continues to round out his game and he's the one guy on this team I really believe in because of his attitude and work ethic. JJ and Tmac are great players, better than anyone we have, but I think we are solid at the 2 and 3. We don't want to make a desperate signing like the W's with Magz or the Cavs with Larry Hughes, just because we have capspace and we want to use it, that would have the potential of keeping us out of the playoffs for a long time.

On a sidenote: I also think that if we are looking to sign a big name free agent in 2010 then we should be willing to trade our 2010 draft pick and to a lesser extent our 09 draft pick (assuming we are picking in the 10-14 range again). The whole point of signing a free agent in 2010 would be to move us into contender status, plus we have some young talent already, and trading future picks might improve our chances of landing an all-star talent via trade.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

Yes because team rosters stay the same forever

No, but the relative talent on a team does stay somewhat the same, unless either you add more talent via draft or free agency. Our team, looks like a team that will be drafting from late-lotto to mid first, meaning, talent won't be that high in terms of our draft picks. Typically those players will be solid players, but nothing extremely special. Trades are a wash, you need two teams to agree, but you do have raping trades (Webber, Gasol, etc.) however, those are extremely rare. Then you come down to the free agency.

So, according to you, don't be in a position to get a high draft pick, don't have cap room to sign a free agent. Hmm....so how exactly do you expect this team to ever be good?

unless you have a time machine , trying to say what the Kings will need two years from now is just plain silly...

alot of things can change in two years...

That sounds like Isiah Thomas, in what shape or form, is having cap space bad.

You act as if the top picks in the draft are ALWAYS stars and anyone after that are just "solid" ... its the draft , nothing is a given... on the the second part... hell if we are playing the "what if game" ... what if all the big names sign extensions or sign with another team ... what are we going to do with the cap space ? pay it to a mediocre player ? (Rashard Lewis 100 million dollar contract because he was the best guy available... or even the GSW giving Mafreakingette 10 million a year)

im just saying, this is sadly reminding of the Lakers fans threads a couple years back where they were banking of the fact that they were going to get every big name free agent in a couple years because "everyone wants to play in LA" and they will have cap space.

like the old saying guys " dont count your chickens before they hatch."

[VeeJay24]

I don't think we should go after a swingman in 2010. I think we should take a look at Horford or Bosh or try to trade for an all-star big. Obviously the other issue is the point guard position, so over the next 2 years I think we should attempt to upgrade via trade. Basically what I'm trying to say is trade for a PG and sign a big in 2010, or trade for a big and sign a PG in 2010. It's either that or hope we land a star in the draft, but thats unlikely considering we will win 35 games a year.

If you look at our swingmen now and our swingmen when we were contenders I'd say we are on par. Martin/Artest and Salmons/Garcia is about as good as Doug/Peja. Even without Artest I think we are still doing pretty good in those positions, assuming Kevin continues to round out his game and he's the one guy on this team I really believe in because of his attitude and work ethic. JJ and Tmac are great players, better than anyone we have, but I think we are solid at the 2 and 3. We don't want to make a desperate signing like the W's with Magz or the Cavs with Larry Hughes, just because we have capspace and we want to use it, that would have the potential of keeping us out of the playoffs for a long time.

On a sidenote: I also think that if we are looking to sign a big name free agent in 2010 then we should be willing to trade our 2010 draft pick and to a lesser extent our 09 draft pick (assuming we are picking in the 10-14 range again). The whole point of signing a free agent in 2010 would be to move us into contender status, plus we have some young talent already, and trading future picks might improve our chances of landing an all-star talent via trade.

Can we wait and see what we have in Thompson before we talk about throwing money at Bosh or even worst Horford? In 2010 it almost a given that Artest will be gone, it's also a possibility that Cisco may be gone. So believe it or not a SF may be what we need. If you guys think we can just go out sign Horford, keep Martin, Salmons & Cisco and have a chance to win in the West, you're sadly mistaken. The only way I can see that happening is if the KIngs were able to get a PG the calibur of Paul or Williams. I can tell you right now a 5 of Udrih or ?/Martin/Salmons/Horford/Hawes will not cut it.

[Fola314]

Of course we should wait and see before we sign someone, thats a given. 2010 is 2 years from now, its not right now, so we'll have 2 years to evaluate all of our young talent. If Thompson becomes a monster than we wont target a PF, that goes without saying. Waiting to see if Thompson is good is exactly whats going to happen over the next couple of years so I don't see the harm in talking about what to do if he doesn't pan out into an all-star talent. We're going to be playing wait and see with not only Thompson, but with Hawes, Udrih and Singletary as well. Don't worry, Petrie isn't sitting there discounting Hawes/Thompson and only thinking about signing a big in 2010.

I just feel like we have our all-star swingman in Martin and that I think we need to pair him with an all-star type frontcourt player and a all-star PG. I'm not discounting your theory on needing an SF, obviously having two all-star swingmen worked out for Boston. I just feel like if I had capspace or pieces to trade and I had the choice between targeting a swingman, a PG, or a big...swingman would be my third choice. I would be fine with a role player at SF, a bruce bowen type (doesnt mean i want bruce bowen, just throwing out names) as long as we have leaders at PG and PF/C. I'm sorry I used Horford's name obviously you don't like him, I'm not in love with him either I was just throwing out names.

Do we really need another shot taker at the swingman position? We've seen what can happen when Artest ballhogs it and Kevin doesn't get enough shots up. I'm fine with someone who hits the open three, plays solid D, and is a team player. I just think teams can get by with a role player at one of their swingman positions and still contend and that its more important to upgrade at other positions.

[deNIEd]

You act as if the top picks in the draft are ALWAYS stars and anyone after that are just "solid" ... its the draft , nothing is a given... on the the second part... hell if we are playing the "what if game" ... what if all the big names sign extensions or sign with another team ... what are we going to do with the cap space ? pay it to a mediocre player ? (Rashard Lewis 100 million dollar contract because he was the best guy available... or even the GSW giving Mafreakingette 10 million a year)

im just saying, this is sadly reminding of the Lakers fans threads a couple years back where they were banking of the fact that they were going to get every big name free agent in a couple years because "everyone wants to play in LA" and they will have cap space.

like the old saying guys " dont count your chickens before they hatch."

I act like having a top pick in the draft is a very easy way of adding talent to your team. Yes the players might not pan out, but your chances of getting a franchise player when drafting at the number 1 spot is a hella of a lot better than drafting at number 12.

If all the big name free agents are signed, then wait till 2011. Don't go and sign Rashard Lewis to a 100 million dollar contract, go and wait and sign the perfect player. But the point is that you have to sign a player.

Banking that we are getting a free agent? I do believe you are already banking on the fact that we won't get a free agent. I'm simply fighting for the fact that our team will need a free agent signing in order to even come close to the next level. Yes, don't put all your eggs in one basket, but put your eggs in many baskets, three to be exact. Our team can't be built off of any one facet, therefore we will need maximum gain from every possible source. Free agency is simply one of them.

Why would we not want cap space, so we can end up like the Knicks?
Simply, don't trade for temporary players that will mess up our cap space (Hinrich, Randolph, etc.) simply because we are getting a good player or that we need a better player. Be a true fan, and stick with the team and not immediately want the team to be good because it'll never happen (i'm not directing this at you, but at many).

[pillwenney]

I think there's just kind of been a miscommunication here and that it's really pretty simple.

We should make trades that screw up our capspace for '10 if the trade would help us more than the cap space would. Otherwise, we shouldn't.

[deNIEd]

I would agree with that Mitch,
however, it is 100% absurd to say that because 2 or 3 years is far from now, or that because we are a small unattractive city (compared to NYC/LA/Chi) that we should just give up on signing free agents.

Unless we get a player that we feel will be our longterm starter, than do not trade for anyone past 2010. YOU DONT HAVE TO SPEND MONEY JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT! Go after the big name FA, Bosh, LeBron, Wade, if none come (mostly), than don't spend anything and wait till 2011 (Horford, Oden, Durant, Green, Conley, etc.)

[pillwenney]

Somebody who might be an option in....I think it was 2010, would be Rudy Gay. I mostly bring him up because Memphis's franchise isn't exactly looking to spend much it seems.

[KingInExile]

Somebody who might be an option in....I think it was 2010, would be Rudy Gay. I mostly bring him up because Memphis's franchise isn't exactly looking to spend much it seems.

Interesting you bring this up since I just mentioned in another thread (before reading this) that Rudy Gay is a guy that would really help the current "future roster" look like a contender.