Official Artest Everything Thread

[Ballings7]

I agree about keeping Artest and declining most offers with veterans (two one-year rentals, one a mult-year deal).. other than a Wright or Thornton deal, I like the Cleveland deal proposed by SKZZZ in the Cavs thread (or something like it).

Don't agree about the playoff stuff... the west is still big-time stacked.

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About the Scott-Howard Cooper garbage

Why would the Kings give up all that for one year of Odom? Shelden Williams isn't going to be a bad player, especially as a defender and rebounder.

Also, what the heck credibility does this cat have with that excerpt of trade proposal. It's just like somebody on this forum putting a deal out there, pure speculation. Which that trade is only better for the Lakers.

This guy has the right to put something out there like this, but it doesn't have any credibility. Thus, it's damn trash.

Just let Artest walk, regardless of anything with the Lakers.

[deNIEd]

Kings are best to keep Artest this year...to compete in a weakened West...seeking a 4rth or 5th seed and a deep run into the Playoffs. The Kings should make no more moves...besides maybe a 3rd point guard. Theus and Artest will lead this team to a great season. Sit back and embrace Artest and he will respond in kind.
No to Odom.
No to Marion.
No to Houston/Cleveland proposals...

HAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Weakened? How is the west weakend at all?

Lakers, Hornets, Spurs, Jazz, Houston, Portland, Suns, Mavs
will be top 8, regardless if we do or do not trade Artest,

If we keep Artest, we'll be 9th/10th seed

There is no point, we have a zero shot at even coming close to competeing.

Rebuild. The best and only answer for this team.

[SacKingZZZ]

The West has weakened somewhat. Unfortunately the teams that got weaker were the ones BELOW us!

[ALL HAIL]

Rebuild. The best and only answer for this team.[/quote]

What does that mean? Who do Kings spend money on eventually?

[RIPskaterdude]

If Houston offered B-Jax/Donte Green + 09 1st for Artest, would you take it?

Or even, if we could get them to take KT for Francis/expirings with Bill...although they don't have any big expirings that would work for KT/Artest together. Probably would need a 3rd team to make it work. But would you rather have B-Jax/Donte Green/expirings + 1st or Odom for KT/Bill?

[deNIEd]

Yes I would take that Houston deal.

Best case scenario with Odom is that by the deadline he has increased value and we are able to trade him for other players (prospects+picks + expirings)

Perhaps, whatever prospect we net via Odom is much better than Greene and Houston 1st, however, I think this is a safe bet that I'm happy with settling with. This also gives us a backup PG (I doubt Singletary is ready to step in and be productive, since, other than freaks like Deron and Paul, a PG takes a few years to develop)

Also, it makes our future core fairly promising
K. Mart, S. Hawes, J. Thompson, D. Greene, F. Garcia, S. Williams, Q. Douby, S. Singletary (8 Strong) + Kings 1st (5-14 range) + Rockets 1st (20-30 range) + whatever we can net via Brad

[deNIEd]

What does that mean? Who do Kings spend money on eventually?

Rebuild means rebuild lol.

In my opinion, a free agent, especially for a team like Sacramento, is finding the final piece to the puzzle (major piece).

The reality is that no major FA will ever come to Sacramento by choice. We aren't New York, Chicago, Miami, LA, etc, almost no player grows up dreaming of playing for Sacramento unlike some other big cities. Therefore, we can't rebuild a team via free agency. However, with a good team, system, personnel, and money, we will be able to lure some 2nd/3rd tier FA (1st tier being LeBron/Wade/Kobe etc.)

However, I do not think we should prematurely go after a FA, until we can build most of our team via draft and trades.

Who we spend our money on? Well, that completely depends on our team situation when we do decide to go after a FA. Perhaps Thompson turns out to become a Karl Malone, in which case we wouldn't need a PF, or perhaps Beno turns out to be an absolute stud, in which case we wouldn't need a PG.

We should wait and hold all our opportunities (in this case cap room) until we can say, we need a __ in order to become a top 5 team. Once we can determine that, then go after whatever player we need.


When I look around the league, and see a team like the Warriors or LAC, the only thought that comes to my mind is "losers." (Warriors case is a little different since they only have now to spend money, but still, money going towards an Okafor or Smith is a lot better), but either in basketball or in life, you don't spend money because you have it. You spend money when you need a product and it is the best deal possible.

We have two more years or rebuilding, after that, we can decide on whatelse to do to finalize the team.

[sackings916]

Perhaps, whatever prospect we net via Odom is much better than Greene and Houston 1st, however, I think this is a safe bet that I'm happy with settling with. This also gives us a backup PG (I doubt Singletary is ready to step in and be productive, since, other than freaks like Deron and Paul, a PG takes a few years to develop)

At this point it looks like Douby is our backup PG. I think the team wants to see what he could do instead of adding a vet.

[deNIEd]

Who would you rather see play, Douby or Thompson? Its a thousand times better to see what Thompson can do over Douby

[sackings916]

^Huh? I can't understand what you meant or the point you were trying to make.

But in terms of ceiling/potential, Thompson has potential to be a starter while Douby doesn't. But Douby's still going to be a valuable player in this league IMO.

[deNIEd]

Sorry,

What I meant was that...

In your comment, you said that the team would rather see Douby play than B. Jackson play.

I was saying, I would rather have Thompson play than L. Odom play.

PG: B. Udrih/B. Jackson/S. Singletary
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia/Q. Douby
SF: J. Salmons/D. Greene/P. Ewing Jr.
PF: M. Moore/J. Thompson/S. Rahim/K. Thomas
C : B. Miller/S. Hawes/S. Williams

I would assume that Miller is moved for other pieces, and Shareef retires.

[RIPskaterdude]

After seeing Green and Brooks against our Summer team tonight, I really really want them on our team.

Green - 22 pts
Brooks - 20 pts/8 assists/1 TO

Didn't get the see the whole game but looking at the box score, we started Hawes, Thompson AND Williams all together? Did Thompson start at SF? Funny thing is, the box score has Williams at SG

[SacKingZZZ]

After seeing Green and Brooks against our Summer team tonight, I really really want them on our team.

Green - 22 pts
Brooks - 20 pts/8 assists/1 TO

Didn't get the see the whole game but looking at the box score, we started Hawes, Thompson AND Williams all together? Did Thompson start at SF? Funny thing is, the box score has Williams at SG

I posted some of my comments watching the game in the SL thread. Yeah, Jason started at SF and I think he played that position the whole night. He may have had a couple of stints at PF but they subbed in Felix off the bench for a Thompson, Felix, and Hawes frontline when Shelden was out.

He really showed his skill at the 3 and what he can bring. He was able to post up Greene at will and get him in foul trouble. Greene really didn't dominate as his stats might show. Jason did a very good job and most of Donte's points came against another defender because they were running Greene off screens to get Jason switched off of him.

[RIPskaterdude]

Artest watch

The media trade buzz regarding Ron Artest quieted down later in the week, and with good reason.

Numerous sources close to the team tell me there have been no Kings-Lakers discussions in the last week. The Lakers, for the time being, appear to be looking for trade options that don't include taking on Kenny Thomas' contract. While a third team could help fix that problem, there hasn't been one yet that fits the equation. Meanwhile, the Lakers are looking long and hard at their point guard spot as well. They have reportedly made an offer to Jorge Garbojosa.

As for other teams, here's what I'm hearing regarding a few (and, no, this is not a comprehensive list - just hitting on a few of the lesser talked-about potential Artest destinations)...

Dallas: They've already revealed their interest, but the only deal that gets done on the Kings' end here is Artest for Josh Howard. For now, the Mavs won't do it. For now, that is...

Cleveland: There has been some speculation that the Cavs would make a play here, but a source close to the Cavs says it's not likely. Not impossible - especially if January brings a subpar record and King James is getting restless again - but not likely.

Detroit: Could this be why Artest was so interested in interviewing brawl instigator John Green a while back? It would be a brilliant PR move if the Pistons were looking to put a package together for Artest.

And from what I was told from one source close to the Pistons, they are. I've yet to get this info from more than one person, so stay tuned. But much like the Mavs' situation, this could be one of those where the player the Kings want (perhaps Tayshaun Prince) would be different than the one offered (Jason Maxiell, anyone?). Pure speculation on my part in terms of the potential pieces.

Phoenix: I've been hearing this as a possibility from the beginning but heard nothing in the way of actual talks.

The player always first discussed is Leandro Barbosa (four years, $27 million left with player option in fourth year), the Roadrunner who could add quite some punch to the Kings' backcourt. As for the next logical question of why the Kings wouldn't leave that role to the likes of John Salmons and Francisco Garcia, consider this: Salmons (three years, $16 million remaining) was believed to be available around draft time if it meant the Kings could trade their pick and move up; Garcia is coming off a breakout year, but the Kings must decide by Oct. 31 whether they want to ante up for an extension. - Sam Amick

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013976.html

[VeeJay24]

Atlanta anyone? Could Atlanta be interested in Ron? I would love somekind of S & T package for Josh Smith...............

[magicfanatic23]

Magic fan here. Just wondering what you guys think about a Hedo Turkoglu for Artest swap? I honestly don't know if I would agree to that but there are a few rumors out there. Just thought I would ask your guys opinion.

[deNIEd]

Atlanta wouldn't take on Artest, their too cheap to do anything. (which is why the Horford 2011 campaign is alive and strong)

I don't care about trading Artest to Orlando, only Hedo better not be the piece returning, just not what this team needs/looking for due to age/position.

[magicfanatic23]

Atlanta wouldn't take on Artest, their too cheap to do anything. (which is why the Horford 2011 campaign is alive and strong)

I don't care about trading Artest to Orlando, only Hedo better not be the piece returning, just not what this team needs/looking for due to age/position.

Then if you do not want Hedo for Artest, who would you want from us? Anyone but Dwight could be on the block.

[deNIEd]

3 team deal

Nothing on your roster would be anything we want (realistically speaking now, not a Kenny for Hedo type crap and outside of Dwight)

Therefore, any deal would require a 3rd team.

I think Magic lost all its trading power last year at deadline, when you didn't move your expirings

[RIPskaterdude]

Basically, as deNIEd said, the Magic lost pretty much most of their power to trade for overpaid vets (like Miller) when they didn't move their expirings. Miller would have fit in with the Magic perfectly, IMO.