Any info on what the principles are in the Artest to Dtroit

[SacKingZZZ]

i would like to hear a little input on this. Keep in mind Johnson and Maxiell both work.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4725999

i'm coming for input because while Dice can still ball, his intentions are pretty unclear, considering the main reason he made his NBA return was for a opportunity for a ring. And frankly I don't know what everybody's opinion on Miller coming back is, but this works in our favor in the sense that we delude our PF field a bit in return for a quality true center. feel free to tinker.

Hate to tell you but this is down right horrible for the Kings! Sorry. I don't think the Kings have a spot for Amir, or enough of one for him to pan out for us or us make the best out of his contract.

I think a Prince for Artest deal is very fair and think Prince could be a great fit next to Martin but reality is that the Kings are still for all intents and purposes losing out talent wise. To add Garcia who has shown flashes of becoming a legit 15-20 ppg scorer, that brings leadership and attitude, on top of dumping a 14,9, and 4 C. Dice does nothing for us and Amir isn't worth Brad Miller and Garcia.

If a deal goes down the most fair thing for both teams is as straight up a one on one deal as possible. Petrie shouldn't back down from an Artest/Douby or Williams for Prince deal.

How about:

Artest/Moore/Salmons for Prince/Dice

This deal gives the Pistons basically another expiring in Moore which will allow them to bring in Salmons without effecting their cap any for next. They still get that 24-26 million in cap space next year plus a player that can play the 1-3. Some would probably want to keep Salmons over Garcia, and I would too if he was our starting SF for the next 3 years but if Prince comes here he won't be. Garcia is a spot up shooter and that is something we don't have many of right now and it would be way to costly to lose him.

[ilikepistonslol]

i would probably do it, as I love Salmons game. i just hope Joe isn't too fixated on Garcia. I could see Moore as a platoon-guy with either Johnson or Maxiell.

[SacKingZZZ]

I think Salmons would actually be better for Detroit myself. They could use a pure slasher more than a guy like Garcia IMO. Moore at least gives them another guy over 6'9" in their frontcourt and someone to match up with KG in the finals next year.

The Kings could also buy out Dice who then could maybe even return to the Pistons in 30 days.

Value wise it probably even sucks more for the Kings then just giving up Garcia but it could be the absolute ceiling the Kings would be willing to go for. With that said, I doubt Petrie would even do this deal. He has proven in the past that he is more than willing to hold off if the deal isn't satisfactory in his view. I am pretty sure Artest/Douby or Shelden for Prince is as far as Petrie will go.

[sactownzfinest]

Has this been denied yet?
Do any of you know when Petrie is off vacation?
IMO I LOVE this Deal!
Artest + Salmons for Prince!
Salmons does not know his role on the Kings
and Prince is an experienced Veteran who could lead this team
Without losing any talent!
Petrie, GET IT DONE!

[mobiuseinz]

Has this been denied yet?
Do any of you know when Petrie is off vacation?
IMO I LOVE this Deal!
Artest + Salmons for Prince!
Salmons does not know his role on the Kings
and Prince is an experienced Veteran who could lead this team
Without losing any talent!
Petrie, GET IT DONE!

Petrie is on vacation, and Dumars doesnt want to rush things. Both sides are taking it slow, so thats why it is taking so long.

[KingInExile]

I wouldn't be surprised if Petrie and Dumars have not even talked to each other about this yet. It's most likely that their staff have talked to each other to discuss the principles of possible deals based on directions given to them by Petrie and Dumars. The GMs are not always directly involved in every deal every step of the way. Once the principle concepts are in place, then they will step in and close the deal. From everything I've heard, it's likely that their still trying to come up with the foundation of a deal.

[Draino]

I'd much rather get Chauncey than Prince

[Liqourish]

Rumors out of Detroit is that Dumars is talks with Atlanta for a S&T for Josh Smith. The deal suggested is Tayshaun/Amir/draft picks for Smith/Claxton.

[Ballings7]

I think that'd be great for Detroit, and ultimately better than getting Ron because of Smith still being in his early 20s. As well as getting more athletic.

Aside from Smith's talent generally, Smith has played big against Detroit in recent years, I think...

Smith/Maxiell/Stuckey/Afflalo/Amir Johnson/maybe Samb/maybe Sharpe is a pretty good young group to have and build upon in the future.

Detroit still has plenty of floor spacing with Prince gone as well, so Smith's lacking j (up to this point anyway) is complemented by several players.

and Prince is an experienced Veteran who could lead this team

Prince would be a solid leader by example (play) as he's shown well at times (example being G3 or 4 of the Magic series), but verbally he's much too quiet.

[Liqourish]

If the rumors are true about the S&T for Smith... one of Amir/Maxiell would be gone. But still, a future core of Stuckey/Smoove/Afflalo/Max or Amir is pretty damn nice to think about. Plus, if Sheed isn't moved, that's $14 million in capspace that can be used in free agency.

[Ballings7]

If the rumors are true about the S&T for Smith... one of Amir/Maxiell would be gone. But still, a future core of Stuckey/Smoove/Afflalo/Max or Amir is pretty damn nice to think about. Plus, if Sheed isn't moved, that's $14 million in capspace that can be used in free agency.

Yeah, good point

[VeeJay24]

i would like to hear a little input on this. Keep in mind Johnson and Maxiell both work.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4725999

i'm coming for input because while Dice can still ball, his intentions are pretty unclear, considering the main reason he made his NBA return was for a opportunity for a ring. And frankly I don't know what everybody's opinion on Miller coming back is, but this works in our favor in the sense that we delude our PF field a bit in return for a quality true center. feel free to tinker.

Hate to tell you but this is down right horrible for the Kings! Sorry. I don't think the Kings have a spot for Amir, or enough of one for him to pan out for us or us make the best out of his contract.

I think a Prince for Artest deal is very fair and think Prince could be a great fit next to Martin but reality is that the Kings are still for all intents and purposes losing out talent wise. To add Garcia who has shown flashes of becoming a legit 15-20 ppg scorer, that brings leadership and attitude, on top of dumping a 14,9, and 4 C. Dice does nothing for us and Amir isn't worth Brad Miller and Garcia.

If a deal goes down the most fair thing for both teams is as straight up a one on one deal as possible. Petrie shouldn't back down from an Artest/Douby or Williams for Prince deal.

How about:

Artest/Moore/Salmons for Prince/Dice

This deal gives the Pistons basically another expiring in Moore which will allow them to bring in Salmons without effecting their cap any for next. They still get that 24-26 million in cap space next year plus a player that can play the 1-3. Some would probably want to keep Salmons over Garcia, and I would too if he was our starting SF for the next 3 years but if Prince comes here he won't be. Garcia is a spot up shooter and that is something we don't have many of right now and it would be way to costly to lose him.

Although I agree that the deal probably isn't what the Kings want, I disagree about Johnson. It is my opinion that you could never have enough quality big men especially when they're athletic. At this point I think the Kings and Petrie should be looking for quality young guys and Max or Johnson fit that bill.
And I think I am in the majority when I say that I don't really want to part with Garcia.

For me the deal is quite simple Artest/Moore for Prince/Johnson or Max.

Moore to replace one of the youngins is good for the Pistons especially since Walter Sharpe may emerge.

For the Kings.....a frontcourt of Hawes/Thompson with Williams/Johnson or Max coming off the bench is a great future!!!!!

[Ballings7]

Agreed, VeeJay

And depending on your team's situation, there is no reason why you can't have two other big men in the rotation, aside from the starters.

Excluding the veterans for the short-term period they'll still be around, I think that'll apply to us assuming we continue to have Hawes/Thompson/Shelden, because Shelden's more of a C than he is a PF - we'll need that agile kind of PF off the bench, like Bass, Millsap, Maxiell, Landry, Evans, Mahinmi (eventually). I'd list Lee, but his defense isn't on par with the others.

Now, mentioning Bass just above is just in general as an example. Trading for Bass (which we aren't going to do, most likely, at least), leaves his role and fate with us up in the air because of Moore/maybe SAR, plus Thompson. Where's the deserved playing time for Bass going to come from? Nowhere, unless there are significant changes. Then with Bass' fate for us, he could well go to another team, especially if he didn't get to have the kind of role he needs.

[VeeJay24]

If the rumors are true about the S&T for Smith... one of Amir/Maxiell would be gone. But still, a future core of Stuckey/Smoove/Afflalo/Max or Amir is pretty damn nice to think about. Plus, if Sheed isn't moved, that's $14 million in capspace that can be used in free agency.

Yeah, good point

I keep saying that Smith may be attainable.....I don't think the Hawks can really afford to pay Smith a boat load when JJ is going to have to be paid also.

Bad thing is I just don't know if we have anything to give them since I doubt that they would be interested in Artest.

[deNIEd]

Veejay

Yeah Hawks can't afford to pay that much money to all their players, so why target Smith, target Horford who is a thousand times better fit for this team

[VeeJay24]

Veejay

Yeah Hawks can't afford to pay that much money to all their players, so why target Smith, target Horford who is a thousand times better fit for this team

Horford's ok but me personally I am not big on him like everybody else is around here.

I think Smith fits what Theus wants to do more than Horford. That uptempo style is perfect for Smith's game.