Brad Miller to Chicago?

[heir_jordan22]

Hughes + Noah for Miller + top 10 protected first round pick

why?

Hughes expires in 2010 so FA plan is intact

+ Noah is a very valuable young big man that will grow with Udrih, Martin, Thompson

[rpa]

That doesn't make sense for either the Kings or the Bulls (at least to the point that a trade centered around Miller/Nocioni would)

[AnDrOiDKing4]

That doesn't make sense for either the Kings or the Bulls (at least to the point that a trade centered around Miller/Nocioni would)

Actually it might, if Larry Hughes does expire in 10, we swap players and we get a young center and a draft pick.

Id do it in a heartbeat.

[KF10]

That doesn't make sense for either the Kings or the Bulls (at least to the point that a trade centered around Miller/Nocioni would)

Actually it might, if Larry Hughes does expire in 10, we swap players and we get a young center and a draft pick.

Id do it in a heartbeat.

No. We are not receiving any picks. WE are the ones are losing the pick NOT gaining.

The Kings declines this trade.

[rimrocker26]

If you take the pick away I would consider it. Hughes doesn't really fit on this team, but Noah would be a great addition.

[heir_jordan22]

Hughes wold be a good scoring point guard, maybe even the starting point guard

We are also giving you an amzing young big so you have to give us something in return

if you don't want to give us anything extra then we could take out Noah and do Gooden + Hughes for Miller + some sort of draft pick + a player to adjust the cap

[SacTown Kings]

Are Bull fans still talking about a Miller deal? I thought his deal died out over a week ago. It's pretty simple for the Kings, no Noah or Tyrus no deal. Kings would only take on Nocioni because that is the price we would have to pay for Noah, Kings actually don't have a use for Nocioni. Any deal where Noc is the main piece is a definite no go from the Kings. And I doubt Kings throw Garcia into the mix.

[rpa]

Hughes wold be a good scoring point guard, maybe even the starting point guard

Yeah, because it's not like playing Hughes at PG has been a complete & utter failure multiple times, right?

We are also giving you an amzing young big so you have to give us something in return

@ "amazing". Noah is NOT "amazing". And what you're getting in return is a much better player (right now) in Miller)

if you don't want to give us anything extra then we could take out Noah and do Gooden + Hughes for Miller + some sort of draft pick + a player to adjust the cap

HAH. Miller >>> Gooden & >>>> Hughes. Why are the Kings the one giving up a pick. No; just no.

[Leto]

Hughes wold be a good scoring point guard, maybe even the starting point guard

Yeah, because it's not like playing Hughes at PG has been a complete & utter failure multiple times, right?

We are also giving you an amzing young big so you have to give us something in return

@ "amazing". Noah is NOT "amazing". And what you're getting in return is a much better player (right now) in Miller)

if you don't want to give us anything extra then we could take out Noah and do Gooden + Hughes for Miller + some sort of draft pick + a player to adjust the cap

HAH. Miller >>> Gooden & >>>> Hughes. Why are the Kings the one giving up a pick. No; just no.

If Miller is so good, why do you want to trade inferior players for him? You just like doing things like that?

BTW, you aren't getting Noah.

[SacTown Kings]

^^^ If you had been paying attention you would of realized the Kings are rebuilding, this means trading your vets for younger players. Is Sheldon Willimas better than Bibby (no), is Greene better than Artest (no), just like Noah is not better than Miller. But you see when teams rebuild they do it with young players that can grow together so that in 2-3 years they can contend. Miller, Bibby, and Artest are more for win now teams, not rebuilding teams. Not too mention rebuilding teams look to cut salary and Miller makes much more than Noah. So there is your answer. If the Bulls don't want to trade Noah, that's fine I don't blame them unless they want to win now, but Miller is still >>> than Noah.

[Leto]

^^^ If you had been paying attention you would of realized the Kings are rebuilding, this means trading your vets for younger players. Is Sheldon Willimas better than Bibby (no), is Greene better than Artest (no), just like Noah is not better than Miller. But you see when teams rebuild they do it with young players that can grow together so that in 2-3 years they can contend. Miller, Bibby, and Artest are more for win now teams, not rebuilding teams. Not too mention rebuilding teams look to cut salary and Miller makes much more than Noah. So there is your answer. If the Bulls don't want to trade Noah, that's fine I don't blame them unless they want to win now, but Miller is still >>> than Noah.

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

[rpa]

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

And the Bulls wanted to trade for Brad Miller; what's that tell you?

[KingInExile]

^^^ If you had been paying attention you would of realized the Kings are rebuilding, this means trading your vets for younger players. Is Sheldon Willimas better than Bibby (no), is Greene better than Artest (no), just like Noah is not better than Miller. But you see when teams rebuild they do it with young players that can grow together so that in 2-3 years they can contend. Miller, Bibby, and Artest are more for win now teams, not rebuilding teams. Not too mention rebuilding teams look to cut salary and Miller makes much more than Noah. So there is your answer. If the Bulls don't want to trade Noah, that's fine I don't blame them unless they want to win now, but Miller is still >>> than Noah.

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

Haven't the Bulls been rebuilding since Jordan retired the first time? Think they might finish some time this century?

[SacKingZZZ]

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

Haven't the Bulls been rebuilding since Jordan retired the first time? Think they might finish some time this century?

And that's the problem that occurs when a team takes far too long in the rebuilding process. The Bulls are at a point where they now have to retain the previous "rebuild" pieces and by doing so will most likely trap themselves from a cap standpoint into being unable to make further moves to improve their team.

The Bulls are in a dangerous place, one where the best move may be to load up as best they can now. The only way to do that Leto is to trade the excess young talent for more veteren ones. We'll see what they do. They can't afford to re-sign Gordon at this point, if they do they better hope they solidify as a winning team before they have to re-sign the younger pieces in line right behind him.

[Leto]

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

And the Bulls wanted to trade for Brad Miller; what's that tell you?

They were looking for a salary dump and to round out the roster a bit. They still are. But a salary dump is not going to include Noah.

[Leto]

^^^ If you had been paying attention you would of realized the Kings are rebuilding, this means trading your vets for younger players. Is Sheldon Willimas better than Bibby (no), is Greene better than Artest (no), just like Noah is not better than Miller. But you see when teams rebuild they do it with young players that can grow together so that in 2-3 years they can contend. Miller, Bibby, and Artest are more for win now teams, not rebuilding teams. Not too mention rebuilding teams look to cut salary and Miller makes much more than Noah. So there is your answer. If the Bulls don't want to trade Noah, that's fine I don't blame them unless they want to win now, but Miller is still >>> than Noah.

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

Haven't the Bulls been rebuilding since Jordan retired the first time? Think they might finish some time this century?

Have the Kings ever stopped rebuilding since the inception of the franchise?

[Leto]

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

Haven't the Bulls been rebuilding since Jordan retired the first time? Think they might finish some time this century?

And that's the problem that occurs when a team takes far too long in the rebuilding process. The Bulls are at a point where they now have to retain the previous "rebuild" pieces and by doing so will most likely trap themselves from a cap standpoint into being unable to make further moves to improve their team.

Oh please. They don't6 have to retain anything. And, it looks as if they're going to dump Gordon. Teams are always rebuilding unless they are on the verge of winning a championship or they have the potential of getting there. Paxson probably doesn't feel last years team was going to cut it. Hence, he drafted Rose.

The Bulls are in a dangerous place, one where the best move may be to load up as best they can now. The only way to do that Leto is to trade the excess young talent for more veteren ones. We'll see what they do. They can't afford to re-sign Gordon at this point, if they do they better hope they solidify as a winning team before they have to re-sign the younger pieces in line right behind him.

Utter nonsense. Hughes comes off the books in 2 years and Gooden is done after this season. Both Kirk and Nocioni have declining contracts and Deng is signed for 6 years. Grdon is not an intrical part of the team as much as everyone thinks. Go look at the Bulls salaries at Sham sports. They will be fine by the time its time to resign guys. The Bulls are not in a "win now" mode and everyone knows it except Sacramento fans. The ONLY reason they were looking to pick up Miller is because you guys are looking to dump him and we were looking to round out the roster. Noc takes too many minutes away from our young guys like Thabo and Tyrus.

[Smills91]

I think you should look in the mirror. You aren't paying attention. The Bulls just drafted a 19 yo PG at #1. Noah is 23, Tyrus is 21, Deng is 23 and Thabo is 24. The Bulls are also rebuilding. I think if they were in the "win now mode they would have taken Beasley. But with the Rose pick they effectively decided to bust up the backcourt--the heart of the team--in Hinrich and Gordon. Basically, if you want Noah you're probably going to have to give the Bulls 1st round picks of your own and pay a much higher price than he's worth.

And the Bulls wanted to trade for Brad Miller; what's that tell you?

They were looking for a salary dump and to round out the roster a bit. They still are. But a salary dump is not going to include Noah.

Newsflash, trading for a starting center that puts up 14/9/4 with 50/80 shooting percentages that has TWO years remaining on his deal is NOT in any way, shape or form considered a 'salary' dump. Sure the deal saves the Bulls money, but the REASON they'd want the deal is the VAST IMPROVED play they'd receive at the 5 spot. The contract just fits the needs and makes it a no-brainer, but is NOT the crux of the trade for the Bullls, the TALENT is.

[Leto]

Smills, your wit is about as simple minded and dogmatic as your sig. If Miller's talent is so great, why do you guys want to tade him so badly?

The Bulls want to shed Nocioni because of his contract, which extends past 2010, and the fact that he takes up minutes from our young guys. Really, I don't know how many times Bulls fans have to tell you guys this. You aren't getting Noah. Get over it.

[KingInExile]

This topic died weeks ago. I guess the only way to make it go away is to lock it so hyperactive new posters are prevented from bringing it back up with their latest and greatest unoriginal idea that shows that they have put little effort into thinking.

If something changes and there are any verifiable reports that the Kings and Bulls are really exploring a deal involving Miller, then we can start fresh with a new thread. Otherwise, I'm inclined to lock any and all Miller/Bulls trade threads on site...there is just nothing new to discuss on that topic.