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Re: Would you rather.. 

Post#101 » by pillwenney » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:17 am

Cruel_Ruin wrote:
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Cruel_Ruin wrote:Brad's value peaked last season. Unless he explodes beyond imagination, he won't ever get us more than an expiring and a 1st. Might as well ship him out before the season starts if that kind of deal is available to us.


Probably the main factor here. I doubt that kind of deal will be available to us, mostly because so many things have to line up for it to happen.

1. The other team has to have that much in expirings
2. They have to have something at least of equal value to a late 1st
3. They have to be willing to part with this stuff for Brad, which means that they have to value him as much as we do (which leads me to the rest of these prerequisites)
4. They have to be kind of a "bubble" team, which automatically eliminates probably about half the league
5. They have to have a need for a center
6. They have to have a need for a center like Brad, which makes things really tricky because Brad is such a unique player
7. They have to be willing to take on the extra year of his salary.

So over all, it has to be the perfect situation, and it probably won't happen.


Good points, but the center position is really weak nowadays, and I'm sure there will be some teams wanting to solidify their own. Detroit, Miami, Orlando, Denver come to mind off the top of my head. It helps that Brad became a productive rebounder over the last year, it makes him easier to trade off into a traditional Center role.


But the thing is that if you look at the salaries for those teams, it doesn't appear that any of them are really close to having enough in tradable expirings to make a deal work (I thought Detroit did, but shamsports says otherwise), and so right away, that eliminates them from the running when you consider what we want in return.

And Denver in particularly isn't going to dump Camby's salary just so they can take on Brad's.
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Post#102 » by deNIEd » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:17 am

So many words lol.

I think Mitch is right on about Miller being traded, something i've been saying for a while.

WHICH IS WHY, we can't hold out for the best deal possible for Miller, simply because there are so many factors on who wants/can take him. Any deal that is somewhat good (doesn't hurt us, brings us forward) should be strongly considered and ultimately accepted.


Question: Would you be happy/satisfied with the team, if this year, we win 15-25 games, but under the following circumstances.
1. Primarily the young players play (Martin, Garcia, Douby, Hawes, Greene, Thompson, Sheldon, Beno)
2. The team improves, yet, still sucks.
3. The team has energy/effort
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Re: Would you rather.. 

Post#103 » by Ballings7 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:39 pm

mitch wrote:And Denver in particularly isn't going to dump Camby's salary just so they can take on Brad's.


Camby was traded to the Clippers.
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Post#104 » by pillwenney » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:46 pm

Ballings7 wrote:
mitch wrote:And Denver in particularly isn't going to dump Camby's salary just so they can take on Brad's.


Camby was traded to the Clippers.


Exactly my point. They traded him to dump his salary. So they aren't going to trade any kind of expirings to take on more salary with Brad in all likelihood.
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Post#105 » by Ballings7 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:01 pm

Oh, okay, I see what you meant

Good point indeed
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Post#106 » by King Baller » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:00 pm

deNIEd wrote:So many words lol.

I think Mitch is right on about Miller being traded, something i've been saying for a while.

WHICH IS WHY, we can't hold out for the best deal possible for Miller, simply because there are so many factors on who wants/can take him. Any deal that is somewhat good (doesn't hurt us, brings us forward) should be strongly considered and ultimately accepted.


Question: Would you be happy/satisfied with the team, if this year, we win 15-25 games, but under the following circumstances.
1. Primarily the young players play (Martin, Garcia, Douby, Hawes, Greene, Thompson, Sheldon, Beno)
2. The team improves, yet, still sucks.
3. The team has energy/effort


No
1) All those young players will get a chance to play. Theus wants them to earn the minutes.
2) The Kings will improve, I think this group will play better without Artest and Bibby.
3) Effort was not an issue last season, nor will it be one this season.

:D :D I know you want a top three pick, we all do :D :D I think the Kings record in 08/09 will not be much different than 07/08. Artest is gone, so Salmons, Garcia and Douby all see more playing time and will take those shots and make them at a % = to what Ron did. If one of the rookies can play....Thompson...Greene....Brown.... (and by play I mean come in and contribute offensively and not be a liability on defense) I think this team will surprise some teams.

Question: If the Kings miss the playoffs, but build a young nucleus that plays hard, wins the close games and seldom gets blown out, would you be happy with a draft pick in the 7 thru 12 range?

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Re: Would you rather.. 

Post#107 » by deNIEd » Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:38 pm

You are mental if you think this team will be better than last years or that it won't take a hit.

And towards your question, there isn't a chance in hell that the King's make the playoffs
LAL, Hous, NO, SA, Uta will all have the same/better records.
Dal/Pho should have better records now that they have they played together for a while. Regardless, their teams are more talented and better than the Kings.
Portland will improve from last year.

Denver/GSW/LAC
should on paper be better than the Kings, but depending how teams perform/work together, it will determine who is on top.

Minn
got better, should be better, but this is where I think the kings will utlimately be.

OKC/Memphis
will be worse, which is scary, since OKC will get yet another top 5 lotto pick.
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Post#108 » by King Baller » Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:36 am

deNIEd wrote:You are mental if you think this team will be better than last years or that it won't take a hit.

Then call me mental because I don't see a BIG drop off. Certainly not 15 game winners as you describe in your post.


And towards your question, there isn't a chance in hell that the King's make the playoffs

Agreed, no playoffs.

LAL, Hous, NO, SA, Uta will all have the same/better records.

Yep

Dal/Pho should have better records now that they have they played together for a while.

Shaq and Kidd are just about done.


Regardless, their teams are more talented and better than the Kings.
Portland will improve from last year.

Roy's hurt.


Denver/GSW/LAC
should on paper be better than the Kings, but depending how teams perform/work together, it will determine who is on top.

Yep, who knows, Denver lost their best big man. GS lost BD and Monta is hurt. Clippers are a ?

Minn
got better, should be better, but this is where I think the kings will utlimately be.

OKC/Memphis
will be worse, which is scary, since OKC will get yet another top 5 lotto pick.


Kings are better than those 3


So, yes I am mental, I expect 30+ wins!

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Re: Would you rather.. 

Post#109 » by KF10 » Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:46 pm

King Baller wrote:KB

Question: How many wins do the Kings get in 08-09?


I hate guessing but I would guess around the mid-30s...once again...I just can't see this team only win 20 (or in that range) games for the whole season though...IMO this team will not suck like most people would think but it will have some growing pains though....

Question:

Is Kenny Thomas going to see the court next season? At least 5 minute?
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Post#110 » by Dustin5566 » Sat Sep 6, 2008 4:59 pm

Question:

Is Kenny Thomas going to see the court next season? At least 5 minute?


Yes!

However, barring significant injuries to other players that time will only be in garbage time.

Question: Will Donte Greene see 10 mpg next year?
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Post#111 » by Inc » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:30 am

Yes. I think he will start to see more minutes as the season goes by, and eventually average more than 10.

Question: 5 seconds left, Kings down by 1.. Who do you want to have the ball? (Personally, I want Salmons because of his 1v1 ability and passing)
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Post#112 » by KF10 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:01 am

Inc wrote:Yes. I think he will start to see more minutes as the season goes by, and eventually average more than 10.

Question: 5 seconds left, Kings down by 1.. Who do you want to have the ball? (Personally, I want Salmons because of his 1v1 ability and passing)


Well, I have 3 options for that scenario. The first one you mentioned, Salmons. He thrives under isolation scenario. And his strengths are 1v1 skill/passing...2nd option, Martin. During the inbounds, we might run a double screen for Martin and hit the open shot or etc. Martin excels w/o the ball well. 3rd option, Garcia. Our most clutch player. He excels under pressure situations. We might have Beno/Martin drive and kick out to Garcia to hit the 3...

But in a pure sense, Salmons has the best 1v1 ability. Unless, Martin has improved on that category (Which he has)...But then again, we have to put the ball into our best player, Martin...

So, Martin would be my pick.

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What is the expectation of Francisco Garcia?

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