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[KingInExile]

Those of you who are piling on Petrie when the team is down. Where were you when the Kings were dominating? Do you know the Kings history prior to the Vlade/CWebb/Peja/Bibby/Christie era?

Now after you run Petrie out of town, who do you want to GM the Kings? Don't just piss and moan, offer a solution!

KB

I think the problem is now, that alot of Kings fans are still hanging on to the past. No one will EVER look at Petrie's current problems when they think of the great years. But cmon..that was over 5 years ago! Yes, 98-04 were great years...but they're over. Stop judging Petrie on what he did THEN and think about what he has done RECENTLY. If you were working for a company and you were their best salesman 5 years ago and have been doing terrible since, there's no way you would still have a job.

+ a gazillion

But not even to that extent. If you were the best salesman 5 yrs ago selling all sorts of houses and bringing all sorts of commission into the company but recently the only houses your selling are 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier homes, your boss is going to ask you whats up. He's gonna say your dropping the ball. People arent coming to you anymore neither are they coming to the company for houses -- they're going another company.

You're mistake is that you're expecting Petrie to deliver palatial mansions while the Maloofs are only giving him the money to buy a single-wide mobile home (but, wait, they saw a power point presentation that convinced them that the mobile home was so much better than that expensive mansion).

[KF10]

Says the Bee...

And besides, are the Maloofs, the ones PAYING FOR THE TEAM AND GP, not allowed to influence who they want to coach THEIR team? Yes, they've messed up and picked the wrong coaches, so I agree that they should let GP do his thing this time, but cmon...if I owned a company and we were about to hire someone that I didn't agree with, I most certainly would overrule the HR man (or whoever else was doing the hiring for me) and pick who I wanted for MY company.

Says the Bee?

I don't know what else I could say. The Bee brings the information about the Kings unless you work for inside the Kings organization. And I will assume that you do not. You can not keep denying the source of information. The Bee followed the coaching search extensively. When I was an avid reader of the Bee from 05-08, they present the material thoroughly and accurately. From direct quotes/dialogue from Petrie, Maloofs, Kings players and etc. They were on top of it. There wasn't any inaccurate information.

And I do agree that the Maloofs had the right to do whatever to the team because it is their team. I don't anyone has a problem with that. But if they are going to interfere with decisions that are determinant to the team's success. We have the right to call that into play. The Maloofs are not qualified to make internal decisions like that, like mitch said. If Petrie knows he has the coach that is ideal to the team but the Maloofs don't like him because he is not a "Maloof" kind of guy, we are going to have problems.

[SacKingZZZ]

Well if everyone truly follows what's said in the Bee you'd remember Petrie saying he WANTS THE MALOOFS INVOLVED IN THE DECISIONS, he wouldn't have it any other way apparently.

[KF10]

Well if everyone truly follows what's said in the Bee you'd remember Petrie saying he WANTS THE MALOOFS INVOLVED IN THE DECISIONS, he wouldn't have it any other way apparently.

That's true to an extent though. Petrie wants the Maloofs involved but not to an extent that can cause the team negatively during the long run. If Petrie wanted Brian Shaw and the Maloofs wanted Theus back in 2007 there was obvious issues. Like I said, the Maloofs practically needed Petrie to be persuaded to change his mind.

So, you are right but when the Maloofs are involved in major moves (in this case, coaching changes) I quite frankly, don't want them to be that absolute power to cause this team years of mediocrity in the future.

[pillwenney]

Well if everyone truly follows what's said in the Bee you'd remember Petrie saying he WANTS THE MALOOFS INVOLVED IN THE DECISIONS, he wouldn't have it any other way apparently.

Is "involved" the same as "having equal or greater say"?

[Dustin5566]

There is a lot of hostility in this thread.

We have some of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen in my life on this board.

And who do you prefer to believe? The voice in your head?

You all make me sad!

[Wolfay]

There is a lot of hostility in this thread.

We have some of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen in my life on this board.

And who do you prefer to believe? The voice in your head?

You all make me sad!

I think it's just a sign of how frustrated everyone is, which I can understand. Losing can do crazy things.

[pillwenney]

Lawl, my comment was not meant to be serious at all.

[RIPskaterdude]

Says the Bee...

And besides, are the Maloofs, the ones PAYING FOR THE TEAM AND GP, not allowed to influence who they want to coach THEIR team? Yes, they've messed up and picked the wrong coaches, so I agree that they should let GP do his thing this time, but cmon...if I owned a company and we were about to hire someone that I didn't agree with, I most certainly would overrule the HR man (or whoever else was doing the hiring for me) and pick who I wanted for MY company.

Says the Bee?

I don't know what else I could say. The Bee brings the information about the Kings unless you work for inside the Kings organization. And I will assume that you do not. You can not keep denying the source of information. The Bee followed the coaching search extensively. When I was an avid reader of the Bee from 05-08, they present the material thoroughly and accurately. From direct quotes/dialogue from Petrie, Maloofs, Kings players and etc. They were on top of it. There wasn't any inaccurate information.

And I do agree that the Maloofs had the right to do whatever to the team because it is their team. I don't anyone has a problem with that. But if they are going to interfere with decisions that are determinant to the team's success. We have the right to call that into play. The Maloofs are not qualified to make internal decisions like that, like mitch said. If Petrie knows he has the coach that is ideal to the team but the Maloofs don't like him because he is not a "Maloof" kind of guy, we are going to have problems.

I'm not saying to doubt the Bee, but it's not 100% clear that the Maloofs were the FINAL say in the Muss and Theus hiring. From what I've seen, the Maloofs were in love with John Whisenant after Rick was left go, and to avoid the Kings from hiring him, Petrie put together a short list that included Muss and pushed for HIS list (Muss was at the top of it). Only after the powerpoint were the Maloofs ready to go with Muss. After Muss, Petrie wanted to go with a young coach, which is why Larry Brown (a Maloofs favorite) was never considered. So even though Theus wasn't his #1 choice, he eventually picked him after meeting with him several times.

[KingInExile]

Says the Bee...

And besides, are the Maloofs, the ones PAYING FOR THE TEAM AND GP, not allowed to influence who they want to coach THEIR team? Yes, they've messed up and picked the wrong coaches, so I agree that they should let GP do his thing this time, but cmon...if I owned a company and we were about to hire someone that I didn't agree with, I most certainly would overrule the HR man (or whoever else was doing the hiring for me) and pick who I wanted for MY company.

Says the Bee?

I don't know what else I could say. The Bee brings the information about the Kings unless you work for inside the Kings organization. And I will assume that you do not. You can not keep denying the source of information. The Bee followed the coaching search extensively. When I was an avid reader of the Bee from 05-08, they present the material thoroughly and accurately. From direct quotes/dialogue from Petrie, Maloofs, Kings players and etc. They were on top of it. There wasn't any inaccurate information.

And I do agree that the Maloofs had the right to do whatever to the team because it is their team. I don't anyone has a problem with that. But if they are going to interfere with decisions that are determinant to the team's success. We have the right to call that into play. The Maloofs are not qualified to make internal decisions like that, like mitch said. If Petrie knows he has the coach that is ideal to the team but the Maloofs don't like him because he is not a "Maloof" kind of guy, we are going to have problems.

I'm not saying to doubt the Bee, but it's not 100% clear that the Maloofs were the FINAL say in the Muss and Theus hiring. From what I've seen, the Maloofs were in love with John Whisenant after Rick was left go, and to avoid the Kings from hiring him, Petrie put together a short list that included Muss and pushed for HIS list (Muss was at the top of it). Only after the powerpoint were the Maloofs ready to go with Muss. After Muss, Petrie wanted to go with a young coach, which is why Larry Brown (a Maloofs favorite) was never considered. So even though Theus wasn't his #1 choice, he eventually picked him after meeting with him several times.

There's a big difference between Petrie pushing a list of qualified NBA-caliber coaches (a long list BTW...not a short list like you claim) over the Maloofs' unqualified BFF Whisenant and trying to claim that Petrie pushed to hire Coach Power Point. Remember, Petrie didn't want Adelman to be let go to begin with, but the Maloofs forced that decision on him. Rather than let them force their buddy on him, he at least pushed back to make them consider a larger field of candidates. But at the end of the day, they were the ones who were involved in narrowing down a long list to a short list that included mousetrap...and it was the family (and only the family) who made the final decision to hire Captain DUI.

[KF10]

I'm not saying to doubt the Bee, but it's not 100% clear that the Maloofs were the FINAL say in the Muss and Theus hiring. From what I've seen, the Maloofs were in love with John Whisenant after Rick was left go, and to avoid the Kings from hiring him, Petrie put together a short list that included Muss and pushed for HIS list (Muss was at the top of it). Only after the powerpoint were the Maloofs ready to go with Muss. After Muss, Petrie wanted to go with a young coach, which is why Larry Brown (a Maloofs favorite) was never considered. So even though Theus wasn't his #1 choice, he eventually picked him after meeting with him several times.

It isn't 100% clear but the Maloofs and their family will have a large influence of the outcome though. When Eric dazzled the Maloofs with his powerpoints, they were suggesting that Eric was the guy for our team.

Yes, Petrie had Eric on his long list of coaches. It was not short at all if my memory recalls. Regardless, in hindsight Eric was a qualified coach for us. In that year, I thought of him as an underrated coach in the league and can make some noise (He was the runner up for COY with the Warriors back then) but that didn't happened. Everything went downhill with the DUI.

But all in all, it was the Maloofs having significant control of the last coaching decisions. Should we blame Petrie as well? Of course. He let his stance budged by the Maloofs. But in the end of the day, the Maloofs are blamed the most.

[SacKingZZZ]

Well if everyone truly follows what's said in the Bee you'd remember Petrie saying he WANTS THE MALOOFS INVOLVED IN THE DECISIONS, he wouldn't have it any other way apparently.

Is "involved" the same as "having equal or greater say"?

I may be misremembering but it sounded to me like they had the "final" say. Maybe that's changed with this next search, I guess we'll see.