Hawes in the dog house for good?

[pillwenney]

If he wants to continue getting minutes in this league he needs to stop taking outside jump shots and get his ass in the post--if he wants to continue to take jumpers then he better get his ass into a gym and make sure he's going to hit them at a reasonable clip because right now he's looking at a similar eFG% on jumpshots as guys like Kenyon Martin & Elton Brand (2 guys who are NOT good jumpshooting bigs). Having even an iota of desire to rebound the ball would also help.

To be completely fair, I've noticed several times lately where he sets up in the post, but just doesn't get fed. Instead, our guards penetrate, and he's forced to clear out to the high post. I think it's the team's responsibility to make a concerted effort to feed him in the post. Post scoring is the one thing he has done well at all this year, he just hardly ever gets the chance to show it.

[XeOnagain]

Seriously what? He said something stupid, I called him out on it. There was no name-calling, but I'll let you know if you say something stupid, which absolutely took place there.

that coming from a guy who thinks all of our players are world's best, and makes us all kings fans look like giant overraters on trade forums. oh well.. -sigh- what i said wasn't stupid, if so you are caling KIE stupid too. you act like an apple fanboy defending the latest iMac's awesomeness. i have no intention of getting into something, so please at least show the courtesy of NOT insulting people just because you have more messages posted.

i still think hawes sucks, Smills91. I RESPECT your opinion on him, but watching him play makes me want to puke. fair enough? There are many European centers that can do the same if he continues to play like this. and, what do you guys think about the summer league incident? isn't this proof of his laziness?

[pillwenney]

hawes=career backup


we should accept this fact IMO. He's soft, and has no work ethic. FAIL

You should really know better by now. Seriously.

Has he struggled this year, ABSOLUTELY. But a 21 year old career CENTER back-up? Com'n, he shown WAY too much promise even this season alone to be labeled that. Just a stupid comment on your part. (I call it the way it is). Hawes worked his tail off this past summer, or else you're calling Jon Brockman a liar. He's still 21 years old and needs to continually add muscle each off-season. It's obvious he's in a slump, because he's had games where he's shown he's capable of 20/10 and last season he was actually quite consistent. He's learning, adjusting and will be one of the top centers in the league in just a few short years, believe you me. You're foolish if you're writing Hawes off after 6 weeks, just derelict thoughts to think that.

Seriously what? He said something stupid, I called him out on it. There was no name-calling, but I'll let you know if you say something stupid, which absolutely took place there.

If you want to talk about it, e-mail the account.

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Hawes+KT for Gortat.

Spencer Hawes lacked strength in his 1st year, and had Brad Miller in front of him to be able to work on his body, it's 3rd year now and he looks worse on defense and on the boards. I highly doubted his ability to be a starting center back then and less sure of it now, to me he needs to work on his shot and accept being a slow PF with wide offensive arsenal or a combo big man off the bench, he'll never be what this team needs at the 5 position.

[Wolfay]

I don't know what Hawes' problem is, because last season I thought he played very well. I even specifically remember him defending well against the likes of Shaq and Yao Ming. For some reason he's really fallen off this season, and I hope it's just an issue of him getting his rear in gear. I don't think he's as terrible as he has been this season.

[Smills91]

Hawes+KT for Gortat.

Spencer Hawes lacked strength in his 1st year, and had Brad Miller in front of him to be able to work on his body, it's 3rd year now and he looks worse on defense and on the boards. I highly doubted his ability to be a starting center back then and less sure of it now, to me he needs to work on his shot and accept being a slow PF with wide offensive arsenal or a combo big man off the bench, he'll never be what this team needs at the 5 position.

That's TERRIBLE! I wouldnt even trade Thomas alone for Gortat's bloated deal, the guy is NOT productive at all.

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His numbers are around double double if extrapolated, he blockes enough shots, he's much better fit with this team than Hawes, he's physical, willing to bang with anyone and has a good mid-short range and decent touch around the rim.

[cuad]

I think it's funny how Spencer Hawes throws his arms in anger when he makes a mistake, like missing a layup, as if he were a tough guy, and then goes back to being pathetic, frightened and discouraged.

[XeOnagain]

His numbers are around double double if extrapolated, he blockes enough shots, he's much better fit with this team than Hawes, he's physical, willing to bang with anyone and has a good mid-short range and decent touch around the rim.

he was absolutely brilliant in Eurobasket2009(15ppg-11r) even better than Gasol. I think he would be a great fit here.

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His numbers are around double double if extrapolated, he blockes enough shots, he's much better fit with this team than Hawes, he's physical, willing to bang with anyone and has a good mid-short range and decent touch around the rim.

he was absolutely brilliant in Eurobasket2009(15ppg-11r) even better than Gasol. I think he would be a great fit here.

Yep, I actually had no idea what his stats are until I checked them after Smills post, and I agree they don't look impressive, but from watching him, he seems like a very good player. I think not having a physical defender in the post has cost us at least 3-4 games in this season, that's what we need for PO contention.
I don't agree with the general consensus about Hawes, I think he can still be relevant in this league, but he needs to go for the PF position, getting abused on daily basis at the C is not helping his cause.

[Draino]

Do you guys think a trade like....

Kings get: Tyson Chandler
Bobcats get: Spencer Hawes, Kenny Thomas

I think this would be reasonable for both teams, both Chandler and Hawes are struggling but I see Tyson a little better than Hawes, which is where the Kenny Thomas expiring factor comes in...

Chandler
Thompson
Greene
Martin
Evans

Hawes
Diaw
Wallace
Jackson
Felton

[XeOnagain]

14.3pts 10.8 reb 2.0 blocks... these are his Eurobasket 2009 stats, which are better than Gasol in the same tournament(except ppg-gasol had 18 per game)

[pillwenney]

he was absolutely brilliant in Eurobasket2009(15ppg-11r) even better than Gasol. I think he would be a great fit here.

Yep, I actually had no idea what his stats are until I checked them after Smills post, and I agree they don't look impressive, but from watching him, he seems like a very good player. I think not having a physical defender in the post has cost us at least 3-4 games in this season, that's what we need for PO contention.
I don't agree with the general consensus about Hawes, I think he can still be relevant in this league, but he needs to go for the PF position, getting abused on daily basis at the C is not helping his cause.

I basically agree with all of this, I would just really not prefer to give up Spencer in order to do it--mostly because I don't think we would need to.

[XeOnagain]

mitch would you trade Orlando's 1st+Gortat for Hawes? i saw this on antoher forum as a trade scenario...I personally would think about it...

[pillwenney]

mitch would you trade Orlando's 1st+Gortat for Hawes? i saw this on antoher forum as a trade scenario...I personally would think about it...

No, not at all. I can definitely say I wouldn't trade Hawes for Gortat (assuming they're the main pieces) in pretty much any scenario. While Gortat fits our needs more, I don't think it's a stretch to say they are on a similar level of play right now. Spencer is much younger with much more room to grow. And the Orlando 1st really isn't much of a sweetener. That's going to be late 20's. You can buy those picks in most drafts.

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he was absolutely brilliant in Eurobasket2009(15ppg-11r) even better than Gasol. I think he would be a great fit here.

Yep, I actually had no idea what his stats are until I checked them after Smills post, and I agree they don't look impressive, but from watching him, he seems like a very good player. I think not having a physical defender in the post has cost us at least 3-4 games in this season, that's what we need for PO contention.
I don't agree with the general consensus about Hawes, I think he can still be relevant in this league, but he needs to go for the PF position, getting abused on daily basis at the C is not helping his cause.

I basically agree with all of this, I would just really not prefer to give up Spencer in order to do it--mostly because I don't think we would need to.

They matched him and paid tax because they wanted talent for him, they're not gonna take expiring for him.

[pillwenney]

They matched him and paid tax because they wanted talent for him, they're not gonna take expiring for him.

Maybe not pure expirings, but I just don't see it taking Spencer.

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I disagree, Other than wingmen we have nothing to offer and they clearly don't want that.

[pillwenney]

Well that's why 3-way trades are always a possibility.

[_SRV_]

That's a possibility, but I don't think we should wait till an opportunity opens up, if they're willing we should go for it.