Sacramento (12-14) @ Chicago (10-15)

[villatrynity154]

not to sound like a dreamer but right now....we are tied this quarter with the bulls and we only lost the second quarter by 5 pts....if we win this quarter, we just have to close out the game....a 20 pt. lead CAN be erased in 12 playing minutes....that's not unheard of...come on.....let get this one...i don't care if we get it in an ugly fashion.....we just need to come out with the W...

I'm pretty sure he posted that when the Bulls were up 25

now that's some impressive optimism power

they were......i wasn't watching the game i was following the play-by-play and listening through internet audio and noticed that we were tied in the 3rd 19-19.......i saw we had held in there the second quarter they beat us 29-24....so i figured if we ended the third on a good note we actually had a chance to get back into the game.....its pretty simple really....i bet its what PW was telling them during timeouts (among other things pertaining to the game)....yeah i surprised myself.....after we won the 3rd by exactly 5....that's when i realized ****.....this is really perculiar that this is happening just as i predicted.....jejejeje

[villatrynity154]

And yes, the team was worse with Kevin because Kevin was being misused and because we were starting freaking Sean May and Desmond Mason. Pretty simple, really.

lets also point to the fact, mitch, that if we had different coach staff this year....we'd probably be underachieving....the staff has made all the difference just as the rookies have in that our players are on the same page as the staff.....so everyone is focused on one common task whereas before our players weren't (evidenced by the fireing of theus and musselman)......petrie deserves all the credit really thanx geoff!!!

[Wolfay]

The thing is, if Brad was such a problem, we could have waived him, and we wouldn't have Noc's long term salary. That's the problem. Brad>Noc because he's gone after this year. Not to mention that Salmons isn't doesn't take that many more ill-advised shots than Noc. They both get into "I'm dribbling towards the basket, so I'm shooting no matter what right now" mode. The difference is that Salmons is typically much better at it.

And yes, the team was worse with Kevin because Kevin was being misused and because we were starting freaking Sean May and Desmond Mason. Pretty simple, really.

We were losing because Martin was chucking away with a billion shots per game. Pretty simple, really.

[pillwenney]

The thing is, if Brad was such a problem, we could have waived him, and we wouldn't have Noc's long term salary. That's the problem. Brad>Noc because he's gone after this year. Not to mention that Salmons isn't doesn't take that many more ill-advised shots than Noc. They both get into "I'm dribbling towards the basket, so I'm shooting no matter what right now" mode. The difference is that Salmons is typically much better at it.

And yes, the team was worse with Kevin because Kevin was being misused and because we were starting freaking Sean May and Desmond Mason. Pretty simple, really.

We were losing because Martin was chucking away with a billion shots per game. Pretty simple, really.

Because he was put in a position where he was given the ball and told to go score, just like last year. Kevin isn't a go-to scorer and he was being used like one. He and Tyreke were both playing in each others roles. Placing all of that blame on Kevin is ludicrous.

But again, you can't simply ignore the fact that we were starting May and Mason, or the fact that we probably wouldn't have beaten OKC and SA anyway. You could probably justify blaming the NO loss on Kevin, and really no other one.

[kombayn]

This is why NBA League Pass is freakin' amazing.

[XeOnagain]

The thing is, if Brad was such a problem, we could have waived him, and we wouldn't have Noc's long term salary. That's the problem. Brad>Noc because he's gone after this year. Not to mention that Salmons isn't doesn't take that many more ill-advised shots than Noc. They both get into "I'm dribbling towards the basket, so I'm shooting no matter what right now" mode. The difference is that Salmons is typically much better at it.

And yes, the team was worse with Kevin because Kevin was being misused and because we were starting freaking Sean May and Desmond Mason. Pretty simple, really.

We were losing because Martin was chucking away with a billion shots per game. Pretty simple, really.

[url]Because he was put in a position where he was given the ball and told to go score,[/url] just like last year. Kevin isn't a go-to scorer and he was being used like one. He and Tyreke were both playing in each others roles. Placing all of that blame on Kevin is ludicrous.

But again, you can't simply ignore the fact that we were starting May and Mason, or the fact that we probably wouldn't have beaten OKC and SA anyway. You could probably justify blaming the NO loss on Kevin, and really no other one.

did he somehow tell this or are you rationalizing Martin's chucking?
I hope we trade him for a defensive big...

[KingInExile]

So check this out guys:

It's 5:25. I have to go out with my family for special occasion, so after watching the first chunk of 1st, I record the game on my DirecTV DVR and leave. I come back a few hours later, and resume watching, but for some reason, this annoying notification keeps popping up on my screen (taking up probably 1/3 of the screen)--something to do with Pay-per view that had nothing to do with the recorded game. And I couldn't get rid of it and it was really annoying, so we call the DirecTV guy and after waiting on the line for a few minutes, we lose the connection. We call them again, and the guy rather snidely tells my mom to restart the DirecTV server. We do (which, as some of you may know, takes 10-15 minutes), and guess what? The recording is gone! Flat out gone.

Not only this, but for some reason, we are unable to watch the game replaying on comcast, and because I am in Sac right now, I can't watch the game on League Pass broadband. So we call them again, and after being on hold for 15 minutes (during which we try re-starting the DirecTV again, to no avail), we somehow lose the connection again. We call them yet again, and are told that we need a software update--that this caused all of our problems, and that for some reason, the software didn't automatically update. So we have to go through the steps to do this, which of course means restarting DirecTV for a THIRD time. By the time this finishes, the recording is still on, but we find we can watch the replay on comcast--just not in HD (which we hadn't noticed before, because of course, why the hell would it only replay in one format?). And so we get that on. It's 96-96, and the first thing I hear is Grant say something to the effect of "If you're just tuning in, the Kings have come back from 35 down to tie this game in what is a historical comeback". At this point, all I could do was laugh, I was so furious. And that's all I still can do.

So that's the story of how I missed the greatest comeback in Kings history.

The State of Washington is suing DirectTV for deceptive business practices...just saying. Just ditch them.

[perezident]

Why waste time talking about the past (Martin being coached by morons) when we DNT have Martin now due to injury but, the team is finding ways to gut out wins??

Martin is not a play maker nor does he make plays for his other teammates NEITHER makes his team makes better. He's not a leader and certainly cant take over a game on both ends of the floor. This is why Evans (now) imho is better and IS our best player! Just for an example, Martin scored 48 against Memphis and iirc we lost the game OR won by a hair. Granted one can come with all sorts of stipulations as to reason for that (season just starting, feeling out players, new coaching, blah) the fact is Martin is just purely a SCORER! He's no stud or go to guy -- imo the guy is just a scorer point blank (see Anthony Marrow, Jamal Crawford, Quincy Douby (from the hype only perspective), JJ Redick) type players only thing Martin is more a skilled player and has better skill set than those mentioned. Evans is the real deal -- this is Tyreke Evans and the Sacramento Kings not the latter.

[Smills91]

The thing is, if Brad was such a problem, we could have waived him, and we wouldn't have Noc's long term salary. That's the problem. Brad>Noc because he's gone after this year. Not to mention that Salmons isn't doesn't take that many more ill-advised shots than Noc. They both get into "I'm dribbling towards the basket, so I'm shooting no matter what right now" mode. The difference is that Salmons is typically much better at it.

And yes, the team was worse with Kevin because Kevin was being misused and because we were starting freaking Sean May and Desmond Mason. Pretty simple, really.

We were losing because Martin was chucking away with a billion shots per game. Pretty simple, really.

He was put up over 30 ppg as well. I think he was doing what the coaching staff asked him to do and was doing a rather phenomenal job at it as well.

[Dustin5566]

Martin took those shots because that is what we needed him to do. Tyreke was a different player then and I believe Kevin will play differently once he comes back. Kevin is not a selfish player, he wants to win as a team and will fit a role once he gets back.

Lets just let him come back and play with the current team and go from there. If he begins to become a detriment to the team then the trading deadline is still over a month away.

Until then lets just see how it goes.

Who does not want an ELITE shooter AND an ELITE slasher in there backcourt???

[villatrynity154]

the problem is if you perceive kevin to be a go to first tier elite superstar....which he isn't, if he was then we would have a problem cause you would have 2 dominant personalities on the team......that's not the same as having 2 players that like to dominate the ball......the bucks are having that problem i think......mike redd still sees himself as the face of the franchise and that's obviously not true anymore.....martin is not redd...he'll make sure he doesn't get redd-syndrome when he comes back cause he knows that'll ruin team quemistry and that is not what he is all about!!!

[pillwenney]

[url]Because he was put in a position where he was given the ball and told to go score,[/url] just like last year. Kevin isn't a go-to scorer and he was being used like one. He and Tyreke were both playing in each others roles. Placing all of that blame on Kevin is ludicrous.

But again, you can't simply ignore the fact that we were starting May and Mason, or the fact that we probably wouldn't have beaten OKC and SA anyway. You could probably justify blaming the NO loss on Kevin, and really no other one.

did he somehow tell this or are you rationalizing Martin's chucking?
I hope we trade him for a defensive big...

Kevin has said on several occasions how he thinks he is better playing off the ball. It's not in his personality to try to be a takeover player. He was doing what he was asked. He was being isolated, and the defense cleared out.

I'm confident that when he returns, we'll see proof that Kevin isn't a chucker (as if we hadn't seen enough of it throughout most of the rest of his career).

[mobiuseinz]

I was on the trade Martin bandwagon when we won those 3 games in a row... but now I am really excited to see him get back, and here are the two reasons why:

1. Martin doesn't need the ball to be effective, so he can score in a Peja-like role
2. He opens up more for Tyreke and Jason... once you add a 40% 3pt shooter to an already efficient scoring team, you will open up a lot for the other guys. Basically Martin will replace Donte, and be much more efficient at it.

[Wolfay]

[url]Because he was put in a position where he was given the ball and told to go score,[/url] just like last year. Kevin isn't a go-to scorer and he was being used like one. He and Tyreke were both playing in each others roles. Placing all of that blame on Kevin is ludicrous.

But again, you can't simply ignore the fact that we were starting May and Mason, or the fact that we probably wouldn't have beaten OKC and SA anyway. You could probably justify blaming the NO loss on Kevin, and really no other one.

did he somehow tell this or are you rationalizing Martin's chucking?
I hope we trade him for a defensive big...

Kevin has said on several occasions how he thinks he is better playing off the ball. It's not in his personality to try to be a takeover player. He was doing what he was asked. He was being isolated, and the defense cleared out.

I'm confident that when he returns, we'll see proof that Kevin isn't a chucker (as if we hadn't seen enough of it throughout most of the rest of his career).

A major part of his game though is beating people off the dribble and driving to basket, no? It's what made him efficient because he would get the foul call, but how can you do that when you're playing off the ball? Martin's a decent shooter (not elite) but that was only part of his game. Some expect him to continue scoring a bunch but I have a hard time imagining that.

[mobiuseinz]

A major part of his game though is beating people off the dribble and driving to basket, no? It's what made him efficient because he would get the foul call, but how can you do that when you're playing off the ball? Martin's a decent shooter (not elite) but that was only part of his game. Some expect him to continue scoring a bunch but I have a hard time imagining that.

but you're assuming that Martin is a one-dimensional scorer... Martin did great when Artest and Bibby were running the show... the problem was that last year we had only Martin scoring, and at the beginning of this season we followed the same gameplan... now we know that this team is deep and just adding Martin is a great benefit

[Wolfay]

A major part of his game though is beating people off the dribble and driving to basket, no? It's what made him efficient because he would get the foul call, but how can you do that when you're playing off the ball? Martin's a decent shooter (not elite) but that was only part of his game. Some expect him to continue scoring a bunch but I have a hard time imagining that.

but you're assuming that Martin is a one-dimensional scorer... Martin did great when Artest and Bibby were running the show... the problem was that last year we had only Martin scoring, and at the beginning of this season we followed the same gameplan... now we know that this team is deep and just adding Martin is a great benefit

You did an AMAZING job of not answering my question.

[Smills91]

did he somehow tell this or are you rationalizing Martin's chucking?
I hope we trade him for a defensive big...

Kevin has said on several occasions how he thinks he is better playing off the ball. It's not in his personality to try to be a takeover player. He was doing what he was asked. He was being isolated, and the defense cleared out.

I'm confident that when he returns, we'll see proof that Kevin isn't a chucker (as if we hadn't seen enough of it throughout most of the rest of his career).

A major part of his game though is beating people off the dribble and driving to basket, no? It's what made him efficient because he would get the foul call, but how can you do that when you're playing off the ball? Martin's a decent shooter (not elite) but that was only part of his game. Some expect him to continue scoring a bunch but I have a hard time imagining that.

Yeah and how does he usually beat his man off the dribble? Coming off a screen, receiving the pass and PUMP FAKING the crap out the shot, because you HAVE TO RESPECT his shooting ability, he either leans in and draws the foul, OR he attacks that OFF BALANCED defender to drive to the bucket where a typically, out of position defender tries to help and he ends up with an AND 1 situation.