Beno for Expirings

[Dustin5566]

Skyhook. This might answer your question....

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Our poor Smills has gone off the deep end.

[pillwenney]

I'd consider it purely based on a sell-high scenario. Beno's a good player but the key here is that he's a good player RIGHT NOW. I mean, think about what you were thinking just 6 months ago: "wow, I hope Beno plays decent to start out the season, then maybe we can find a team dumb enough to trade expiring contracts for him". Well, that scenario has come to pass and we have to at least CONSIDER doing it.

Yeah, I think this is the important thing to remember. Every part of me wants to hold on to Beno right now, but this is just such a valid point. What if he starts sucking again? The main difference between this year and last year is his shooting. What if he goes into a slump--a seemingly permanent slump just when we're trying to trade him again?

I think outside of that perspective, it boils down to a couple of things. First--how important is it for us to clear future cap space? If we, for example, decide that we're really going to go after free agency in this offseason, then the idea of moving Beno looks much more appealing.

The other thing is that the only really clear deal I see for Beno right now is to the Lakers for expirings. My problem with that? I really think he could be the guy that brings them as close to a lock for the title this year as anyone could ever be. IMO they are honestly already the front-runners, despite their horrendous PG rotation. Beno would give them an upgrade, and would likely be a perfect fit there. I don't know if I could live with that.

[jazzh8ter]

Skyhook. This might answer your question....

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=970969

Our poor Smills has gone off the deep end.

I thought it was pretty funny actually.

[SacTownKings4Life]

I'd consider it purely based on a sell-high scenario. Beno's a good player but the key here is that he's a good player RIGHT NOW. I mean, think about what you were thinking just 6 months ago: "wow, I hope Beno plays decent to start out the season, then maybe we can find a team dumb enough to trade expiring contracts for him". Well, that scenario has come to pass and we have to at least CONSIDER doing it.

Yeah, I think this is the important thing to remember. Every part of me wants to hold on to Beno right now, but this is just such a valid point. What if he starts sucking again? The main difference between this year and last year is his shooting. What if he goes into a slump--a seemingly permanent slump just when we're trying to trade him again?

I think outside of that perspective, it boils down to a couple of things. First--how important is it for us to clear future cap space? If we, for example, decide that we're really going to go after free agency in this offseason, then the idea of moving Beno looks much more appealing.

The other thing is that the only really clear deal I see for Beno right now is to the Lakers for expirings. My problem with that? I really think he could be the guy that brings them as close to a lock for the title this year as anyone could ever be. IMO they are honestly already the front-runners, despite their horrendous PG rotation. Beno would give them an upgrade, and would likely be a perfect fit there. I don't know if I could live with that.

The problem is, you're playing the what-if game. And there's always two sides to the what-if game. "What if he starts Sucking again?" you ask. Well, what if he doesn't? You can't just get rid of a guy who's actually earning his money JUST BECAUSE you're afraid he might regress. So in your eyes, he gets no credit for his improvement? Have you forgotten how UNorganized our offense was last season? And the year before that? And the year before that?
And by your sentiment, we should probably trade EVERY player who goes into a slump, because they MIGHT just stay there permanently. Might, probably, potentially. You can't think like that. Why fix something that at THIS moment is not broken, unless like I said before, it's for a difference-maker.
And let me ask you this, who runs the point with Evans hurt and Beno gone? Rodriguez full time? And then who backs HIM up? You gotta think about these things before you jump on the "trade" bandwagon.

[XeOnagain]

I'd consider it purely based on a sell-high scenario. Beno's a good player but the key here is that he's a good player RIGHT NOW. I mean, think about what you were thinking just 6 months ago: "wow, I hope Beno plays decent to start out the season, then maybe we can find a team dumb enough to trade expiring contracts for him". Well, that scenario has come to pass and we have to at least CONSIDER doing it.

Yeah, I think this is the important thing to remember. Every part of me wants to hold on to Beno right now, but this is just such a valid point. What if he starts sucking again? The main difference between this year and last year is his shooting. What if he goes into a slump--a seemingly permanent slump just when we're trying to trade him again?

I think outside of that perspective, it boils down to a couple of things. First--how important is it for us to clear future cap space? If we, for example, decide that we're really going to go after free agency in this offseason, then the idea of moving Beno looks much more appealing.

The other thing is that the only really clear deal I see for Beno right now is to the Lakers for expirings. My problem with that? I really think he could be the guy that brings them as close to a lock for the title this year as anyone could ever be. IMO they are honestly already the front-runners, despite their horrendous PG rotation. Beno would give them an upgrade, and would likely be a perfect fit there. I don't know if I could live with that.

The problem is, you're playing the what-if game. And there's always two sides to the what-if game. "What if he starts Sucking again?" you ask. Well, what if he doesn't? You can't just get rid of a guy who's actually earning his money JUST BECAUSE you're afraid he might regress. So in your eyes, he gets no credit for his improvement? Have you forgotten how UNorganized our offense was last season? And the year before that? And the year before that?
And by your sentiment, we should probably trade EVERY player who goes into a slump, because they MIGHT just stay there permanently. Might, probably, potentially. You can't think like that. Why fix something that at THIS moment is not broken, unless like I said before, it's for a difference-maker.
And let me ask you this, who runs the point with Evans hurt and Beno gone? Rodriguez full time? And then who backs HIM up? You gotta think about these things before you jump on the "trade" bandwagon.

This IS broken. Martin IS BROKEN. Beno IS BROKEN. these guys are the starting pg-sg of the worst team in the NBA last year. You should trade beno in a heartbeat if there's an offer of expirings. We still suck, just not as much. If you want a playoff team, you cannot call this not broken

[Alyosha12]

Does anyone know where i could find a list of all the players making the MLE or close to it, i would like to see how Udrih compares with those players ATM.
I can find all the team salaries but i really don't feel like going through each team one by one...

[deNIEd]

I would be up for trading Beno, although I'd want more than simply expirings.
Ideally trade him for expirings + some sort of pick (2nd or late 1st).

While Beno is playing well now, you have to question how long it will last. Players that have never shown much their entire careers who all of a sudden have a great year, often fade out again.

Look at Salmons, last year he averaged
18.3 pts, 4.3 reb, 2.9 ast, 47.3% FG, 41.7% 3pt
this year
13.3 pts, 3.4 reb, 2.5 ast, 38.1% FG, 33.9% 3pt
career
9.0 pts, 3.0 reb, 2.4 ast, 44.3% FG, 35.9% 3pt

[_SRV_]

I'd consider it purely based on a sell-high scenario. Beno's a good player but the key here is that he's a good player RIGHT NOW. I mean, think about what you were thinking just 6 months ago: "wow, I hope Beno plays decent to start out the season, then maybe we can find a team dumb enough to trade expiring contracts for him". Well, that scenario has come to pass and we have to at least CONSIDER doing it.

Since when is trading for expiring is selling high? Beno was signed to a contract a season and a half ago, last year was injury riddled under what seems to have been a colossal failure of a coaching staff and this year he's playing great (better than year we signed him based on it), trading him for an expiring is admitting the signing was a mistake, I don't think Petrie would do it, especially not when we still don't know where Evans would be playing, and the other PG option is SRod (who's also giving dividends on the trade).
We have many PGs and wings, either trade Martin + things for an allstar big or Beno for a good borderline starting material big, balance the roster rather than throwing talent away.