Tracy McGrady

[SacTownKings4Life]

you are a really big demagogue. **** Martin ONCE played 80 games in his career and you still try to rationalize his injuries. you are either very stupid or very smart.

You missed the ENTIRE point quite miserably...
I'm saying that with Evans around, Martin won't have to do quite as much as he did in the past, and therefore might not sustain injury quite as frequently as in years past. Comprende?
Why are you so adament AGAINST giving him a fair chance to play next to Evans before demanding he be shipped off somewhere? If he fails, then do what you gotta do. But until then, why can't he at LEAST get the benefit of the doubt?

[Draino]

you are a really big demagogue. **** Martin ONCE played 80 games in his career and you still try to rationalize his injuries. you are either very stupid or very smart.

You missed the ENTIRE point quite miserably...
I'm saying that with Evans around, Martin won't have to do quite as much as he did in the past, and therefore might not sustain injury quite as frequently as in years past. Comprende?
Why are you so adament AGAINST giving him a fair chance to play next to Evans before demanding he be shipped off somewhere? If he fails, then do what you gotta do. But until then, why can't he at LEAST get the benefit of the doubt?

one thing is... this team is getting over the rebuilding period! WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO START OVER AGAIN! we got most of the pieces in place and we can't "oh wait we have to see how this works out" well it hasn't worked out through the first 30 games of the season obviously and that tells me WE NEED TO MOVE ON! We have to look forward, we can't be having any more roadblocks

[khoffman3113]

one thing is... this team is getting over the rebuilding period! WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO START OVER AGAIN! we got most of the pieces in place and we can't "oh wait we have to see how this works out" well it hasn't worked out through the first 30 games of the season obviously and that tells me WE NEED TO MOVE ON! We have to look forward, we can't be having any more roadblocks

This makes no sense at all. This is still a young team. This year is a chance to see who is a part of the future and who isn't. Martin and Evans have only played 5 games together. The season is FAR from over. Give it time and see how it plays out.

[SacTownKings4Life]

you are a really big demagogue. **** Martin ONCE played 80 games in his career and you still try to rationalize his injuries. you are either very stupid or very smart.

You missed the ENTIRE point quite miserably...
I'm saying that with Evans around, Martin won't have to do quite as much as he did in the past, and therefore might not sustain injury quite as frequently as in years past. Comprende?
Why are you so adament AGAINST giving him a fair chance to play next to Evans before demanding he be shipped off somewhere? If he fails, then do what you gotta do. But until then, why can't he at LEAST get the benefit of the doubt?

one thing is... this team is getting over the rebuilding period! WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO START OVER AGAIN! we got most of the pieces in place and we can't "oh wait we have to see how this works out" well it hasn't worked out through the first 30 games of the season obviously and that tells me WE NEED TO MOVE ON! We have to look forward, we can't be having any more roadblocks

You make no sense. When exactly did the Sacramento Kings PASS the rebuilding phase? You mean to say that we are a playoff team RIGHT NOW? To say that we have "most" of the pieces means we do not have ALL the pieces. And if we do not have ALL the pieces in place, then we are NOT over the rebuilding period. And rebuilding is all about PATIENCE! My goodness! Nobody has any comprehension of patience right now! YOU CANNOT RUSH A REBUILDING PHASE! Until this team fully matures, and does so together, the road will be LITTERED with roadblocks. I swear, people like you should NEVER become GMs...

And who said we are "starting over"? I'm talking about ONE GUY coming back into the rotation! And please explain to me exactly what it is that HASN'T worked out through the first 30 games. Because Martin has NOT played long enough with this current Kings team to say FOR SURE that it hasn't worked out. So I know not what you are referring to.

You sound like the type of person who jumped on the bandwagon when we started getting good and got spoiled with all the winning. And now that our time in the sun ended, you seem extremely impatient to IMMEDIATELY get right back to the way we were before. You can't handle losing. And if things don't turn around soon enough for your liking, then heads need to roll and things need to be blown up.
Whether you are that person or not, I don't know. But thats what you sound like right now.
Ever heard of the saying, "good things come to those who wait"? Or, "patience is a virtue"? Seriously, chill out. Next year is the year to expect great things.

[Draino]

one thing is... this team is getting over the rebuilding period! WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO START OVER AGAIN! we got most of the pieces in place and we can't "oh wait we have to see how this works out" well it hasn't worked out through the first 30 games of the season obviously and that tells me WE NEED TO MOVE ON! We have to look forward, we can't be having any more roadblocks

This makes no sense at all. This is still a young team. This year is a chance to see who is a part of the future and who isn't. Martin and Evans have only played 5 games together. The season is FAR from over. Give it time and see how it plays out.

I never said the season is over...

[Draino]

one thing is... this team is getting over the rebuilding period! WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO START OVER AGAIN! we got most of the pieces in place and we can't "oh wait we have to see how this works out" well it hasn't worked out through the first 30 games of the season obviously and that tells me WE NEED TO MOVE ON! We have to look forward, we can't be having any more roadblocks

You make no sense. When exactly did the Sacramento Kings PASS the rebuilding phase? You mean to say that we are a playoff team RIGHT NOW? To say that we have "most" of the pieces means we do not have ALL the pieces. And if we do not have ALL the pieces in place, then we are NOT over the rebuilding period. And rebuilding is all about PATIENCE! My goodness! Nobody has any comprehension of patience right now! YOU CANNOT RUSH A REBUILDING PHASE! Until this team fully matures, and does so together, the road will be LITTERED with roadblocks. I swear, people like you should NEVER become GMs...

And who said we are "starting over"? I'm talking about ONE GUY coming back into the rotation! And please explain to me exactly what it is that HASN'T worked out through the first 30 games. Because Martin has NOT played long enough with this current Kings team to say FOR SURE that it hasn't worked out. So I know not what you are referring to.

You sound like the type of person who jumped on the bandwagon when we started getting good and got spoiled with all the winning. And now that our time in the sun ended, you seem extremely impatient to IMMEDIATELY get right back to the way we were before. You can't handle losing. And if things don't turn around soon enough for your liking, then heads need to roll and things need to be blown up.
Whether you are that person or not, I don't know. But thats what you sound like right now.
Ever heard of the saying, "good things come to those who wait"? Or, "patience is a virtue"? Seriously, chill out. Next year is the year to expect great things.

OK I don't even know where to start with you... first of all I never said we are DONE with the rebuilding process, but WE ARE CLOSE. Which means WE CANNOT LOOK BACK! and trying to fit martin into the system that IS WORKING VERY WELL is taking a step back and will cause us to lose a couple of games. And you are talking about ONE GUY coming into the rotation... well that ONE GUY likes to take 15-20+ shots a game, which, oh by the way will have to be WORKED INTO THE ROTATION. Thats not a little thing.

And don't ever say I jumped on the bandwagon.... well is being a fan of a team since day one i REALLY started watching basketball (1996) would be called jumping on a bandwagon then go ahead say it... but that is not the case so please shut up. and quite frankly I AM impatient and excited at the same time because of the great things we have going right now. this team has made some bad bad trades through the past few years and has countered with great draft picks.

The only thing Kevin Martin is great at is free throws and that is the only reason why I would say WE NEED HIM, he IS a good shooter, he does create his own shot, I like him a lot, but like I said, this team will never do anything serious with Kevin Martin as "the man"... because he just is not that, he is a 2nd option at best

[VeeJay24]

I think this is a win-win either way for the Kings and McGrady. It would give the Kings a lot of capspace to play with plus give McGrady a chane to prove to the NBA that he is healthy and back in form.

And what if he does have a few years left? And the Kings convince him to reup then it can be a real boost. McGrady wants to do one thing get to a final and win one. He will shoot for that. The rest of the NBA have taken notice to what the Kings have done this year so don't sell them short with getting FAs to come here. What would be better for a healthy McGrady to link up with these up & coming Kings and maybe get a FA like Bosh to join him: Instant Contender!!! This is all wishful thinking I know, but not impossible. Make no mistake the 23 mil off your cap is worth it even if you can't land a big name FA; Joe Johnson would be perfect by the way, you can always sign second tier FAs to add a deep bench and veteran leadership.

Due to the unknowns here, any deal cannot include Martin that just isn't a good deal for the Kings but if they can find a deal that can bring in an upgrade or equal talent for Martin I say do it. Martin's propensity to get injured is a hindrance to this team. He cannot help this team in the MASH unit!!!

[khoffman3113]

OK I don't even know where to start with you... first of all I never said we are DONE with the rebuilding process, but WE ARE CLOSE. Which means WE CANNOT LOOK BACK! and trying to fit martin into the system that IS WORKING VERY WELL is taking a step back and will cause us to lose a couple of games. And you are talking about ONE GUY coming into the rotation... well that ONE GUY likes to take 15-20+ shots a game, which, oh by the way will have to be WORKED INTO THE ROTATION. Thats not a little thing.

And don't ever say I jumped on the bandwagon.... well is being a fan of a team since day one i REALLY started watching basketball (1996) would be called jumping on a bandwagon then go ahead say it... but that is not the case so please shut up. and quite frankly I AM impatient and excited at the same time because of the great things we have going right now. this team has made some bad bad trades through the past few years and has countered with great draft picks.

The only thing Kevin Martin is great at is free throws and that is the only reason why I would say WE NEED HIM, he IS a good shooter, he does create his own shot, I like him a lot, but like I said, this team will never do anything serious with Kevin Martin as "the man"... because he just is not that, he is a 2nd option at best

Okay, I do not understand your logic with Kevin Martin. You do know that this is a young team, still going through rebuilding. Not the rebuilding we have been going thru in the past. This is the year where we see who fits in long term and who does not. The season should not be judged on wins and losses but by growth and development.

How is fitting Martin back in taking a step back? Please explain that to me. I think he'll fit very well in the system. If that takes time and we lose, so be it. I have no problem with that. Yeah sure I would love to see this team make the playoffs but I don't see it unless we add Okafor. What were your expectations when the season started, honestly?

Kevin Martin is not just great at free throws, he is one of the very best in the entire NBA at moving without the ball and getting to the free throw line. This has taken a toll on him but he can focus more on being the uber efficient Kevin Martin that does not need 15-20+ shots. Just give it time, wait and see. Be excited to be a Kings fan!

[Draino]

OK I don't even know where to start with you... first of all I never said we are DONE with the rebuilding process, but WE ARE CLOSE. Which means WE CANNOT LOOK BACK! and trying to fit martin into the system that IS WORKING VERY WELL is taking a step back and will cause us to lose a couple of games. And you are talking about ONE GUY coming into the rotation... well that ONE GUY likes to take 15-20+ shots a game, which, oh by the way will have to be WORKED INTO THE ROTATION. Thats not a little thing.

And don't ever say I jumped on the bandwagon.... well is being a fan of a team since day one i REALLY started watching basketball (1996) would be called jumping on a bandwagon then go ahead say it... but that is not the case so please shut up. and quite frankly I AM impatient and excited at the same time because of the great things we have going right now. this team has made some bad bad trades through the past few years and has countered with great draft picks.

The only thing Kevin Martin is great at is free throws and that is the only reason why I would say WE NEED HIM, he IS a good shooter, he does create his own shot, I like him a lot, but like I said, this team will never do anything serious with Kevin Martin as "the man"... because he just is not that, he is a 2nd option at best

Okay, I do not understand your logic with Kevin Martin. You do know that this is a young team, still going through rebuilding. Not the rebuilding we have been going thru in the past. This is the year where we see who fits in long term and who does not. The season should not be judged on wins and losses but by growth and development.

How is fitting Martin back in taking a step back? Please explain that to me. I think he'll fit very well in the system. If that takes time and we lose, so be it. I have no problem with that. Yeah sure I would love to see this team make the playoffs but I don't see it unless we add Okafor. What were your expectations when the season started, honestly?

Kevin Martin is not just great at free throws, he is one of the very best in the entire NBA at moving without the ball and getting to the free throw line. This has taken a toll on him but he can focus more on being the uber efficient Kevin Martin that does not need 15-20+ shots. Just give it time, wait and see. Be excited to be a Kings fan!

well simply, you gain experience by making the playofffs, and those few wins that we might miss out on, might make us miss the playoffs, because I think 7th-8th spot is deffinitely within reach and a reasonable goal for this season

[Draino]

I think this is a win-win either way for the Kings and McGrady. It would give the Kings a lot of capspace to play with plus give McGrady a chane to prove to the NBA that he is healthy and back in form.

And what if he does have a few years left? And the Kings convince him to reup then it can be a real boost. McGrady wants to do one thing get to a final and win one. He will shoot for that. The rest of the NBA have taken notice to what the Kings have done this year so don't sell them short with getting FAs to come here. What would be better for a healthy McGrady to link up with these up & coming Kings and maybe get a FA like Bosh to join him: Instant Contender!!! This is all wishful thinking I know, but not impossible. Make no mistake the 23 mil off your cap is worth it even if you can't land a big name FA; Joe Johnson would be perfect by the way, you can always sign second tier FAs to add a deep bench and veteran leadership.

Due to the unknowns here, any deal cannot include Martin that just isn't a good deal for the Kings but if they can find a deal that can bring in an upgrade or equal talent for Martin I say do it. Martin's propensity to get injured is a hindrance to this team. He cannot help this team in the MASH unit!!!

THANK YOU! PERFECTLY SAID!

[northernpuppy]

I think this is a win-win either way for the Kings and McGrady. It would give the Kings a lot of capspace to play with plus give McGrady a chane to prove to the NBA that he is healthy and back in form.

And what if he does have a few years left? And the Kings convince him to reup then it can be a real boost. McGrady wants to do one thing get to a final and win one. He will shoot for that. The rest of the NBA have taken notice to what the Kings have done this year so don't sell them short with getting FAs to come here. What would be better for a healthy McGrady to link up with these up & coming Kings and maybe get a FA like Bosh to join him: Instant Contender!!! This is all wishful thinking I know, but not impossible. Make no mistake the 23 mil off your cap is worth it even if you can't land a big name FA; Joe Johnson would be perfect by the way, you can always sign second tier FAs to add a deep bench and veteran leadership.

Due to the unknowns here, any deal cannot include Martin that just isn't a good deal for the Kings but if they can find a deal that can bring in an upgrade or equal talent for Martin I say do it. Martin's propensity to get injured is a hindrance to this team. He cannot help this team in the MASH unit!!!

I posted this on the Trades forum...take a look guys:

Trade ID #5358575

Kings receives:

Marcus Banks
Reggie Evans
Tracy McGrady

Houston receives:

Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Amir Johnson

Toronto recieves:

Kenny Thomas
2nd Round pick (from Houston)
Cash considerations from Sacramento.


Rationale:

A little far-fetched but hear me out...

Houston is looking to add pieces out of a deal for McGrady and will hold out as long as possible. To me Houston gets more than fair value for the surgically repaired T-Mac in K-Mart who can produce, a versatile Amir Johnson who can play behind Scola and Noicioni who can knock down the 3 and will be valuable in the playoffs.

Sacramento gets McGrady and although they had to give up Noic, Thomas and Martin, they put an all-star next to Tyreke. If the experiment fails, T-Mac comes off the books and Sac can look at guys that their boards have spoken about such as Amare and Joe Johnson (not suggesting it would happen but they would have the salary to offer should they not resign T-Mac). Banks and Reggie's contracts afford Sacremento the much needed cap space next season which is ultimately valuable when thinking about Tyreke's rookie deal which ends in 3 years time.

Toronto looks like they got the short end of the stick but think objectively about this. Granted Banks has been getting minutes and Amir is a valued piece, letting these guys go for KT, a pick and cash is about the idea of a move and not its substance. Will Bosh resign or will he jet? Whatever the outcome, by shedding Banks and Evans' contract immediately and with KT's expiring deal, Toronto frees up more space to go out and get a guy should Bosh leave. In the miraculous event that Bosh resigns for the max in T.O., the Raptors can take KT+Banks'+Reggie Evans's money and put it toward another FA (potentially a SF). The 2nd round pick has little to no value but gives Colangelo the option of drafting another guy that he feels has promise.

I know it's a little crazy, but think objectively folks...

[SacTownKings4Life]

OK I don't even know where to start with you... first of all I never said we are DONE with the rebuilding process, but WE ARE CLOSE. Which means WE CANNOT LOOK BACK! and trying to fit martin into the system that IS WORKING VERY WELL is taking a step back and will cause us to lose a couple of games.

Explain yourself. How EXACTLY do you come to the conclusion that inserting Martin into the linup will UNDOUBTEDLY make us regress and lose games? You have no PROOF to back up your statement because HE HASN'T PLAYED WITH THIS TEAM YET!

And you are talking about ONE GUY coming into the rotation... well that ONE GUY likes to take 15-20+ shots a game, which, oh by the way will have to be WORKED INTO THE ROTATION. Thats not a little thing.

One guy who, when first starting, needed little more than 10-12 shots to put up 25+ points. A guy who was recently GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT to shoot more by virtue of being the most consistent scorer on his team at the time. This is no longer the case, as we have PLENTY of consistent scorers this year. Therefore, Martin should not necessarily NEED to take quite as many shots. Not that he needs to shoot alot to score anyway (he is NOT Kobe), nor is he a selfish player. Have you ever heard of that little "efficiency" rumor concerning Martin?

And don't ever say I jumped on the bandwagon.... well is being a fan of a team since day one i REALLY started watching basketball (1996) would be called jumping on a bandwagon then go ahead say it... but that is not the case so please shut up. and quite frankly I AM impatient and excited at the same time because of the great things we have going right now. this team has made some bad bad trades through the past few years and has countered with great draft picks.

Reading is fundamental. I did not say you DID jump on the bandwagon, I said you SOUND like it. You sound like the type of person who can't handle prolonged periods of mediocrity. If things don't progress as quickly as you prefere, heads MUST roll. That's what you SOUND like.
You must fall down before you can learn to get back up.

The only thing Kevin Martin is great at is free throws and that is the only reason why I would say WE NEED HIM, he IS a good shooter, he does create his own shot, I like him a lot, but like I said, this team will never do anything serious with Kevin Martin as "the man"... because he just is not that, he is a 2nd option at best

So I guess we couldn't have used a great free throw shooter in that Laker game last night, huh? ...
And like I have said in past threads, Kmart is NOT "the man". He's not that type of player. Evans IS "the man", so you have no leg to stand on. With Evans around, Martin now has the opportunity to settle into more of a secondary option, in which I believe he can excel. Martin will stretch the defense and keep people from zoning Evans because you can't double off him.
There is a LEGITIMATE case for Martin improving the team. YOU on the other hand, have not yet brought up a LEGITIMATE case for him "ruining" the team. You just blindly say, "we will take a step back and lose games" but you don't explain why.

[Draino]

lol you seriously have a mancrush on this dude

[SacTownKings4Life]

lol you seriously have a mancrush on this dude

Apparently you seriousy have a grudge against this dude. Because you can't seem to come up with ONE logical reason against playing him when he returns, yet you continue to argue in favor of his immediate departure.