Would your team draft monroe?

[RoyalCourtJestr]

I'd take Aldrich over Monroe 99 times out of a hundred. I may overrated Aldrich, but I am amazed at the level of hatred a perfect-fit with no serious flags gets. There is no reason to doubt his potential to be what we need.

There is plenty of reason to doubt that Monroe could ever do what we need - aka defend.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

And who started for a team that made it to the finals???........

John Stockton and Karl Malone might of had a little something to do with that.

I think thats the concious problem that people have with Aldrich here. At #5, we're going to end up with either Cousins or Wesley falling onto our lap, and in either case, I'd take them over Aldrich. But having Cousins and Johnson has scewed our judgement on what to expect out of this pick. I think the Aldrich hate would be far less if we'd gotten #6, because that takes both Cousins and Wesley off the board.

Aldrich isn't a star, but he'd do wonderful as a serious role player, and while he wouldn't be Tyreke's Pippen, he'd certain be a huge help to this teams future. We can't get superstars at every position - we have to fill some of our needs with role players, and Aldrich would be a wonderful one.

That said, Cousins has more potential and Johnson may be too good to pass up, so.

[wiltchamberlain]

And who started for a team that made it to the finals???........

John Stockton and Karl Malone might of had a little something to do with that.

I think thats the concious problem that people have with Aldrich here. At #5, we're going to end up with either Cousins or Wesley falling onto our lap, and in either case, I'd take them over Aldrich. But having Cousins and Johnson has scewed our judgement on what to expect out of this pick. I think the Aldrich hate would be far less if we'd gotten #6, because that takes both Cousins and Wesley off the board.

Aldrich isn't a star, but he'd do wonderful as a serious role player, and while he wouldn't be Tyreke's Pippen, he'd certain be a huge help to this teams future. We can't get superstars at every position - we have to fill some of our needs with role players, and Aldrich would be a wonderful one.

That said, Cousins has more potential and Johnson may be too good to pass up, so.

You're probably right. For the record I'm not against Aldrich, I'm completely undecided on this draft so far.

[10B10]

And who started for a team that made it to the finals???........

John Stockton and Karl Malone might of had a little something to do with that.

I think thats the concious problem that people have with Aldrich here. At #5, we're going to end up with either Cousins or Wesley falling onto our lap, and in either case, I'd take them over Aldrich. But having Cousins and Johnson has scewed our judgement on what to expect out of this pick. I think the Aldrich hate would be far less if we'd gotten #6, because that takes both Cousins and Wesley off the board.

Aldrich isn't a star, but he'd do wonderful as a serious role player, and while he wouldn't be Tyreke's Pippen, he'd certain be a huge help to this teams future. We can't get superstars at every position - we have to fill some of our needs with role players, and Aldrich would be a wonderful one.

That said, Cousins has more potential and Johnson may be too good to pass up, so.

I pretty much completely agree with this. I don't think Aldrich would be a bad pick, whatsoever. That said, I'm not comfortable with picking him over Cousins or Johnson (and one of them will be available).

I really think that if Cousins is there, then he is the pick. If he's not, then I could see us reaching over Johnson and taking Monroe/Aldrich.

[Photo Guy]

^^^exactly. Talent only has so much to do with value after that you have to look at skill set, and Aldrich has the skills set that A. We need and B. that increases his value because he plays defense.

If you're picking in the 20's or later then I agree with you. If you're picking in the TOP FIVE of the draft. Then you're wrong. If you're in the top 5 you're starving for talent. You go for talent, almost irregardless of fit, because if you're top 5 you have a long way to go to becoming competitive again and only talent gets you progressing towards competitiveness.

[king125]

^^^^perfectly said!!!!!!

[SacKingZZZ]

John Stockton and Karl Malone might of had a little something to do with that.

What did I say?

I think that board eatin', knock you on your ass if you dare test him at the rim C might have had more to do with it than you think.

[SacKingZZZ]

If you're picking in the 20's or later then I agree with you. If you're picking in the TOP FIVE of the draft. Then you're wrong. If you're in the top 5 you're starving for talent. You go for talent, almost irregardless of fit, because if you're top 5 you have a long way to go to becoming competitive again and only talent gets you progressing towards competitiveness.

Bigs like Aldrich with legit defensive prowess, a decent pedigree, and legit size rarely make it there. They seem to always be taken in the lotto somewhere. Funny, huh?

For certain you take any of the top 5 players in this draft over him, that would probably be either Johnson or Cousins in our case, but if there was a big trade on the table to either pick up some other assets and a player like Aldrich you have to consider it.

[YC42Balla]

Dude, that would be sick if Petrie could some how get another top 10 pick and snag Cole Aldrich plus Wes Johnson!! I know I may be dreaming but wouldn't that be awesome?! It would stop the Johnson vs Aldrich threads. I wonder if that team could even come close to making the 2011 playoffs? or perhaps make the 2011 playoffs? I don't know why.. but that came to mind when i was sitting on the Johny. (no offense to any one named "Johny").

[wiltchamberlain]

John Stockton and Karl Malone might of had a little something to do with that.

What did I say?

I think that board eatin', knock you on your ass if you dare test him at the rim C might have had more to do with it than you think.

Yeah that stuff is definitely important, I'm just saying had Joe Smith ever had the opportunity to play alongside possibly the best to ever play one position, and likely the second best to ever play another, he may have made one or two finals as well.

Also one might point out the difference between a guy who was approximately 7'2 and 280 lbs, and a guy who is about 6'10 and 235lbs.

I think you're memory may be a little shaky as far as the effectiveness of Greg Ostertag in the playoffs, I don't know how old you are (I realize sometimes when people question others age on this forum people read it as an insult, but it is not meant as one) but if you saw his effectiveness firsthand you realize that despite his " board eatin', knock you on your ass if you dare test him at the rim" it was somewhat lacking at times. He only played one more minute in the playoffs in 98' than Greg Foster.

Again for the record I'm not against Aldrich and I do agree on the importance of having a big guy that can block shots, rebound and in general punish people. I'm just saying the comparison with Ostertag is unjustified due to the huge difference in size, potential surrounding talent, and I also question the effectiveness of Ostertag as compared to what many other players could have done had they been lucky enough to be drafted into a similar position.

[Photo Guy]

If you're picking in the 20's or later then I agree with you. If you're picking in the TOP FIVE of the draft. Then you're wrong. If you're in the top 5 you're starving for talent. You go for talent, almost irregardless of fit, because if you're top 5 you have a long way to go to becoming competitive again and only talent gets you progressing towards competitiveness.

Bigs like Aldrich with legit defensive prowess, a decent pedigree, and legit size rarely make it there. They seem to always be taken in the lotto somewhere. Funny, huh?

For certain you take any of the top 5 players in this draft over him, that would probably be either Johnson or Cousins in our case, but if there was a big trade on the table to either pick up some other assets and a player like Aldrich you have to consider it.

And I peg Aldrich firmly in the Pryzbilla, Ostertag, Perkins, Dalembert level camp. Good, solid centers, but top 5 lotto worthy? No thanks. Let others reach for those guys. You can get much better value from your #5 pick than that level of a center.

[SacKingZZZ]

Nah, Aldrich is already better offensively than all 5 of those guys put together. He can actually finish in the post with some degree of consistency and looks to have the makings of a solid jumper.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah that stuff is definitely important, I'm just saying had Joe Smith ever had the opportunity to play alongside possibly the best to ever play one position, and likely the second best to ever play another, he may have made one or two finals as well.

Also one might point out the difference between a guy who was approximately 7'2 and 280 lbs, and a guy who is about 6'10 and 235lbs.

I think you're memory may be a little shaky as far as the effectiveness of Greg Ostertag in the playoffs, I don't know how old you are (I realize sometimes when people question others age on this forum people read it as an insult, but it is not meant as one) but if you saw his effectiveness firsthand you realize that despite his " board eatin', knock you on your ass if you dare test him at the rim" it was somewhat lacking at times. He only played one more minute in the playoffs in 98' than Greg Foster.

Again for the record I'm not against Aldrich and I do agree on the importance of having a big guy that can block shots, rebound and in general punish people. I'm just saying the comparison with Ostertag is unjustified due to the huge difference in size, potential surrounding talent, and I also question the effectiveness of Ostertag as compared to what many other players could have done had they been lucky enough to be drafted into a similar position.

Old enough to remember how frustrating he made it at times for the Kings come playoff time. Didn't say anything about his "effectiveness", I said he had more to do with the overall success of the Jazz than you think. 1.85 bpg in under 20 minutes career playoff avg., yeah, I'll take it.

Aldrich still has the length of a 7 footer and will most assuredly get stronger. Another thing to remember is that Tag had literally zero offense. He actually threw quite a few decent passes but offensively he wasn't much while Aldrich has the potential to be decent offensively in the post and on the perimeter. I think their defensive impact will be similar however, except Aldrich is quicker and should be able to affect things at the rim without picking up fouls left and right, unlike the big Tag.

[longfellow44]

After watching Monroe's work out video for the kings I feel ECM more justified in the opinion that he would be a terrible pick for us. He's not explosive at all, rather slow and slow footed. Basically he's a bigger Jason Thompson with out the ability to move quickly or to get in the air.

You can find the video on the kings website. It's pretty pitiful.

[old rem]

After watching Monroe's work out video for the kings I feel ECM more justified in the opinion that he would be a terrible pick for us. He's not explosive at all, rather slow and slow footed. Basically he's a bigger Jason Thompson with out the ability to move quickly or to get in the air.

You can find the video on the kings website. It's pretty pitiful.

Aren't Thompson and Monroe virtually the same size?

[longfellow44]

Judging from what I saw Monroe looked bigger/thicker. With their other physical similarities it's dissapointing how poorly he moves on the court and how little lift he gets when leaping. He's not the guy I would take in the top 10. Udoh and whiteside both looked better in their work outs.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, Monroe has what you call an "NBA body". Jason doesn't have the biggest/strongest frame by any stretch. Monroe is probably like what the Kings wish Jason could be. Both are "skill" players but Monroe is clearly the Mercedes version to Jason's Ford Pinto. Foot speed definitely goes to JT. I don't think there's a similarly sized player that can touch JT in that department.

I thought Monroe moved just fine north to south and east to west. Vertically no, but that's not a huge deal with his length and height.

[LUKE23]

If the Kings took a PF or C, would they be down for this deal:

Gadzuric (expiring)
Delfino (100% NG'ed next year, so essentially an expiring)
2011 1st (lottery protected)

for

Landry
Nocioni

[_SRV_]

I think they would, it clears up some more cap space this year and more next year.