Morrow extended QO by W's

OGSactownballer · Post #1 » by **OGSactownballer** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:49 pm

I was afraid that they would do this the same way we extended the QO to Brockman.

The risk now with offering him a contract is that if it's too sweet, the W's just match and you burn a week waiting for them to screw around with you. If you offer him an overpay - and they still blow the week - and then they let him go, he is no longer a good value and you might as well have offered more money to a more established player.

braveheart916 · Post #2 » by **braveheart916** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:15 pm

i dont think that kings make an offer to him. I think their camp is happy with their roster as is and they will wait till next season to sign any FA's. I think they mite try to get a PG but other than that i dont think that they are gonna do much

UKF · Post #3 » by **UKF** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:09 pm

I highly doubt an offer is made to Morrow. As much as I would like to see him come for one million, what the Warriors will be willing to pay is too much higher than what Petrie and the Kings will want to or should pay.

rpa · Post #4 » by **rpa** » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:13 pm

#1: They extended him a QO because the QO for him was so low: only around $1mil I believe. Failing to do so would have been a huge failure on their part. Basically, they're paying a VERY small price for leverage.

#2: He's an early bird exception so the most he can get is an MLE based contract. That is probably more than he's worth, though.

#3: The Warriors are in cost cutting mode to try and make the team more attractive to new ownership. Warriors fans have said that if you make Morrow a decent offer he's probably gonzo since the Warriors aren't looking to add longterm payroll.

I think the Kings could get him if they made something like a 3 year, $15mil offer.

braveheart916 · Post #5 » by **braveheart916** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:41 am

^^^ are you kidding me. He is not worth $5mill a year

SacKingZZZ · Post #6 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:56 am

And no thanks to that one. 5 million a year even if the fit is great is not a good idea right now.

JSrose115 · Post #7 » by **JSrose115** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:00 am

what do ya'll think:

Tyreke Evans/ Beno Udrih
Rudy Gay/ Anthony Morrow
Donte Greene/ Omri Casspi
DeMarcus Cousins/ Carl Landry/ Jon Brockman
Samuel Dalembert/ Jason Thompson/ Hassan Whiteside

Just throwing out suggestions, a team like this would be fitting for me.

Maybe trade Greene, get a PG,

?????/ Beno Udrih
Tyreke Evans/ Anthony Morrow
Rudy Gay/ Omri Casspi
DeMarcus Cousins/ Carl Landry/ Jon Brockman
Samuel Dalembert/ Jason Thompson/ Hassan Whiteside

SacKingZZZ · Post #8 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:39 am

I think unless we have a 11 man rotation there's going to be some pissed off players out there. 8 1/2 man rotations are the norm, plenty of playing time for everyone. I see 10 guys needing time and you didn't even include Garcia! Number crunches lead to problems. See last year for example and that's before we ended up with a bunch of "problem chidren" hahaha.

Post #9 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:42 am

Our need for outside shooting is so severely overrated around here. We're fine. We really are. We do need a 3rd guard, and they should be a solid shooter. But I just don't get where this idea is coming from that we need a dead-eye shooter. I see no need for Morrow at all on this team.

rpa · Post #10 » by **rpa** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:06 am

braveheart916 wrote:^^^ are you kidding me. He is not worth $5mill a year

He can be worth $5mil so long as the contract is relatively short. If it's a 4 year or 5 year contract then no way would I give him 5mil/year.

SacKingZZZ wrote:I think unless we have a 11 man rotation there's going to be some pissed off players out there. 8 1/2 man rotations are the norm

Are they? Over the course of the year most teams will go 10-13 deep (this accounts for injuries obviously) in terms of a rotation (guys seeing 15+ mpg). Once you get into the playoffs I agree that it's closer to 8-9 guys (your best 8-9). But during the regular season depth is really a luxury.

mitchweber wrote:Our need for outside shooting is so severely overrated around here. We're fine. We really are. We do need a 3rd guard, and they should be a solid shooter. But I just don't get where this idea is coming from that we need a dead-eye shooter. I see no need for Morrow at all on this team.

I wouldn't call us fine to be honest. If I was an opposing team there are exactly 2 guys on this roster currently that I'd be angry to see take an open 3: Udrih & Garcia. Casspi & Greene aren't there yet (they're close but the inconsistency hurts--a lot), Tyreke obviously doesn't have a 3pter yet, and our front court doesn't have any 3pt shooters (I think this is a good thing). That means we're likely to be running 5 guys on the court where 1 or none of them are consistent 3pt shooters. IMO it's imperative that we add a consistent 3pt shooter that teams will have to stay home on.

JSrose115 · Post #11 » by **JSrose115** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:10 am

Yeah I forgot to add Cisco, HAHAHA! But I really think we should trade him and greene if it would accomodate this type of squad. But who knows, just suggestions, everyone has their own opinions.

Post #12 » by **KF10** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:46 am

mitchweber wrote:Our need for outside shooting is so severely overrated around here. We're fine. We really are. We do need a 3rd guard, and they should be a solid shooter. But I just don't get where this idea is coming from that we need a dead-eye shooter. I see no need for Morrow at all on this team.

34.9%

That's our three point percentage as a team. That's actually below the L average of 35.5%. The Kings are 15th rank at this specific category.

If you look at the the top 10 in three point shooting, 7/10 teams were in the playoffs. And if you look at the bottom 10 in three point shooting, 7/10 teams were in the lotto.

We may get by being somewhat of an average three point shooting but I don't think this team is good enough to ignore this IMO.

If there is a dead-eye shooter in this FA that is entirely gettable, I think we have to jump on it.

SacKingZZZ · Post #13 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:34 am

rpa wrote:
Are they? Over the course of the year most teams will go 10-13 deep (this accounts for injuries obviously) in terms of a rotation (guys seeing 15+ mpg). Once you get into the playoffs I agree that it's closer to 8-9 guys (your best 8-9). But during the regular season depth is really a luxury.

Yeah, with the last 4-5 guys being inconsistent PT types. Play in some games, don't play in others. Play 15 minutes one game, play 3 the next. Teams will play more than 8-9 guys but there should be 8 guys that play in every game they are available for and play consistently the same role and/or minutes in those games if available to do so. Having a consistent "rotation" doesn't mean not extending beyond those in it, but most assuredly giving them the bulk of the consistent minutes.

Depth is a great thing, too much real depth leads to problems, especially on a team not expecting to win the prize. Got rid of a potential problem in Nocioni, added a potential problem by having 4 guys in the frontcourt that probably all deserve starters minutes or close to it. Whiteside's a project so he can deal. Brocks probably OK with being 12th man/spot minute guy so no big. The others? I don't know.

SacKingZZZ · Post #14 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:40 am

KF10 wrote:
34.9%

That's our three point percentage as a team. That's actually below the L average of 35.5%. The Kings are 15th rank at this specific category.

If you look at the the top 10 in three point shooting, 7/10 teams were in the playoffs. And if you look at the bottom 10 in three point shooting, 7/10 teams were in the lotto.

We may get by being somewhat of an average three point shooting but I don't think this team is good enough to ignore this IMO.

If there is a dead-eye shooter in this FA that is entirely gettable, I think we have to jump on it.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you brought the hardcore data into it! :wink:

Post #15 » by **KF10** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:57 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
I knew it was only a matter of time before you brought the hardcore data into it!

I know! It was very tempting! :lol:

OGSactownballer · Post #16 » by **OGSactownballer** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:51 pm

Even with Cisco healthy, this team still very much lacks a true shooting "specialist" that stretches the floor and opens up the middle. Realistically, we are NOT complete in that area. Also the constant complaint of guys that need starters minutes in the frontcourt is a load of crap. At this point we have three guys - Daly/Landry/JT - who would be considered to be veteran frontcourt rotation players. We have yet to see just what we have in the rookies and that may change things, but we will not know until camp or maybe not at all this season.

Post #17 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:22 pm

Before Omri hit his wall, he was an outstanding 3 point shooter. For him, it's mostly about not hitting that wall. But he is a real threat. Cisco wasn't particularly healthy last year, and he should be a lot more involved his year, which is going to help quite a bit on its own. When healthy, he's a very good 3-point shooter. Donte just needs to get more consistent. It's not a given that he will be, but I think we can wait and see before we rush out and panic and get yet another wing in our already crowded rotation. Really, for me it boils down to Donte being more consistent. If he can be, he can consistently spread the floor, and we'll be fine.

Now, with that said, I think we do need another PG, and I think that PG should be able to shoot the 3. I don't know if we'll be getting the long term solution there this year, but even just signing a stopgap like Steve Blake would do the trick.