T-mac? Lets give it a shot

[DickVitale]

Well, just think about what we did with webber and vlade when they came here. Vlade was just old and no one thought he would be able to do what he did for us ... but he did... Sacramento has a knack for getting the best out of the players that come to them. We all know what T-Mac is capable of, sure he is older and injury ridden but imagine the possibilities.

Anyways - I am not opposed to us grabbing T-Mac, but I would rather us get someone a bit younger and of course not as prone to injury as T-Mac has been. I still think we have a chance at Nate Robinson and that would could potentially be a great fit for the kings.

[deNIEd]

Nate Robinson eliminates Tyreke's greatest advantage (size/strength). You add in Nate, you make Tyreke greatly less efficient and dominate. Keep that in mind.

[SacTownKings4Life]

I'd love him on the team. Casspi and Greene are still unproven and T-Mac will help us win some games while they develop. He can shoot, he's hungry, and let's face it, we need some veterans on this team. The front office feels the same way according to all the reports regarding our interest in Prince and Josh Howard. As long as it's for CHEAP, I think he'd look great in our starting line up.

Help us win games? What's the point. The reason OKC has such a bright future, is because they avoided crap gimmicks like this to improve themselves. Ya, signing T-Mac may help us win 1-5 games next year, but that's about it. We still won't be in the playoffs. Our team won't really be any better. It's just dumb.

Don't try to force us into contending or into the playoffs. Just be patient and slowly improve our team. We will most likely have another lotto pick next year, but that'll be an important asset for our overall team.

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You think a legitimate shot at making the playoffs (which I don't think you should rule out) won't light a fire under our young guys to step their game up? I'd say there's a REAL chance it might actually accelerate their development if that have something to play for. Like the guy said, "you don't play just to play".

[deNIEd]

You think a legitimate shot at making the playoffs (which I don't think you should rule out) won't light a fire under our young guys to step their game up? I'd say there's a REAL chance it might actually accelerate their development if that have something to play for. Like the guy said, "you don't play just to play".

Players and coaches play to win the game.

General managers and the front office play to win a championship.

[Silver Man]

Ya, signing T-Mac may help us win 1-5 games next year, but that's about it. We still won't be in the playoffs. Our team won't really be any better. It's just dumb.

I agree with this. We aren't a playoff team right now (unless some dramatic event), but this isn't the event. T-Mac is long past his prime, is injury prone, also I doubt he signssigns for cheaap either. It won't be for a great amount, but more than what I want to sign him for.

[SacTownKings4Life]

You think a legitimate shot at making the playoffs (which I don't think you should rule out) won't light a fire under our young guys to step their game up? I'd say there's a REAL chance it might actually accelerate their development if that have something to play for. Like the guy said, "you don't play just to play".

Players and coaches play to win the game.

General managers and the front office play to win a championship.

...And your point is? Ultimately, winning the game MEANS winning a championship. If you're not in it to win it, what are you there for? That's what "you don't play just to play" means.

[deNIEd]

...And your point is? Ultimately, winning the game MEANS winning a championship. If you're not in it to win it, what are you there for? That's what "you don't play just to play" means.

Are you kidding me?!!!

Winning the game does not mean you win a championship.

Open your freakin eyes and look at the teams that are contending in the league right now. This season, there are 4 contending teams, LAL, Bos, Orl, and Mia. Four. Out of Thirty, only four realistically have a shot at winning anything. And, if you look at defending champs, they have a near perfect team. A top 3 player in Kobe. A top 10 player and a top 3 big in Gasol. One of the best defenders in the league in Artest. The best bench player in Odom. And a top 5-7 center in Bynum (shows how weak center position is). On top of that, they have one of the best coaches to ever coach basketball. On top of all this, they went out and improved their roster again this offseason.

In order to win jack sh*t you need to have nearly a perfect team. Making stupid signings like T-Mac, puts us in the same situation as a Utah, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, etc. etc. Teams that are good enough to get into the playoffs, but that's it. You only have so much room for improvement once you start attempting to contend. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) signings like T-Mac, prevents us from potentially getting a lottery pick that we help with our overall talent pool and team's assets. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) signings like T-Mac, prevents key players on our team (Donte, Casspi, Thompson, Whiteside, Cousins...if you have T-Mac playing, at times Donte may be shifted over to PF, taking away our big's minutes as well) from getting crucial playing time.

While we feel that Cousins and Whiteside will be good players in the league. While we feel that Tyreke will be able to become a star/superstar in this league, the matter of fact is that we have absolutely no idea if any of this will happen. There is a chance that Tyreke stops improving. There is a chance that Cousins is no better than Eddy Curry.

Our team is no where NEAR making the playoffs. We still need 1-2 years of solid development. Stop being greedy and wanting to win now, let the development to naturally occur. The worst thing possible for this franchise, and what may potentially prevent this group of players from ever reaching a contending level is making (Please Use More Appropriate Word) signings this offseason such as signing Tracy f***ing McGrady or Josh Howard.

[SacTownKings4Life]

Are you kidding me?!!!

Winning the game does not mean you win a championship.

Then please, explain to me WHAT winning means to you. Do you believe in MORAL victories or something?
If you don't win a championship, then that means, somewhere along the line, you lost.

Open your freakin eyes and look at the teams that are contending in the league right now. This season, there are 4 contending teams, LAL, Bos, Orl, and Mia. Four. Out of Thirty, only four realistically have a shot at winning anything. And, if you look at defending champs, they have a near perfect team. A top 3 player in Kobe. A top 10 player and a top 3 big in Gasol. One of the best defenders in the league in Artest. The best bench player in Odom. And a top 5-7 center in Bynum (shows how weak center position is). On top of that, they have one of the best coaches to ever coach basketball. On top of all this, they went out and improved their roster again this offseason.

See, YOU'RE the type of person I would LEAST like to have on my team, because you are so damn star struck that you don't even BELIEVE that your team has a chance of doing jack s--- when faced with adversity, therefore rendering you completely WORTHLESS and probably unwilling to compete to your fullest potential. You second guess too much. If I'm starting a team, I want people who are gonna stand by my side and ride with me regardless of WHO'S standing in my way. You don't just give up because the road LOOKS too hard. Nobody thought the Celtics had a ghost of a chance to make the finals again. Suppose they BELIEVED the talk and just packed it in?
Who would have thought the freakin young @$$ THUNDER would give the Lakers all they could handle? One rebound away from a 7 game series.
What about the Rockets a couple years ago? On paper they were TRASH without Yao AND McGrady. But they were the ONLY team that year to take the Lakers 7 games. Do you get my point, or should I go on?

In order to win jack sh*t you need to have nearly a perfect team. Making stupid signings like T-Mac, puts us in the same situation as a Utah, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, etc. etc. Teams that are good enough to get into the playoffs, but that's it. You only have so much room for improvement once you start attempting to contend. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) signings like T-Mac, prevents us from potentially getting a lottery pick that we help with our overall talent pool and team's assets. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) signings like T-Mac, prevents key players on our team (Donte, Casspi, Thompson, Whiteside, Cousins...if you have T-Mac playing, at times Donte may be shifted over to PF, taking away our big's minutes as well) from getting crucial playing time.

You have to crawl before you can walk. And besides, we're STILL trying to get that arena deal done. Wouldn't a playoff run increase interest and motivate people to get the job done? You know how bandwagony people are in this town.

There's also a chance that bringing in DMC and our new bigs along with Tyreke JUST MIGHT make our team too good to get a quality lotto pick anyway. Should we NOT play them because the danger of ruining our draft position is just too great? If there's a possibility that you can improve your team or plug in a gap, why not take a chance? We need a body at shooting guard who can shoot the ball. Tracy McGrady fits that description. If it were POSSIBLE to bring him here WITHOUT overpaying him to do so, why the heck not? We need a shooting guard. McGrady is a shooting Guard. How on earth would T-Mac take crucial playing time away from Donte, Casspi, Thompson, Whiteside and Cousins IF THEY PLAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POSITIONS??? T-Mac is gonna take minutes away from Thompson, Whiteside and Counsins? What basketball are YOU watching? Don Nelson?
Casspi is a 3 and Donte can back him up at 3 as well (why would you move him to 4???), so the only minutes he'd be taking away are Garcia's. (and most people don't like him anyway)

While we feel that Cousins and Whiteside will be good players in the league. While we feel that Tyreke will be able to become a star/superstar in this league, the matter of fact is that we have absolutely no idea if any of this will happen. There is a chance that Tyreke stops improving. There is a chance that Cousins is no better than Eddy Curry.

I'd hate to live in YOUR pessimistic world. Let's just waive the white flag then... Tyreke has reached his ceiling and DMC is gonna be a bust... *sigh*

Our team is no where NEAR making the playoffs. We still need 1-2 years of solid development. Stop being greedy and wanting to win now, let the development to naturally occur. The worst thing possible for this franchise, and what may potentially prevent this group of players from ever reaching a contending level is making (Please Use More Appropriate Word) signings this offseason such as signing Tracy f***ing McGrady or Josh Howard.

I think we're closer than you think, with the drop offs of Phoenix (I believe) and Utah, there are two extra playoff spots freed up. As bad as we were last year, a BUNCH of those games were overtime games and/or lost by 3 points or less. If we DON'T get outrebounded by every team in the league like we're so accustomed to since EVER, don't you think we just might pull out a few extra wins on that alone?
Outside of the Lakers, who's going to mess with us up front?
If Cousins can find his game, who's gonna stop him? That could produce more wins.
With all our shot blocking bigs, the drive thru window is now closed. That should produce more wins.
If our rebounding and defense improve like we are anticipating, there's no reason why we CAN'T at least CONTEND for a playoff spot.

I mean for goodness sake, look on the bright side of things every once in a while, instead of "denying" everything all the time...

[SacTownKings4Life]

Oh, and since you brought up the "arms race" with LA, Miami, Boston, and Orlando, can you not see the potential (POTENTIAL, I'm not saying guaranteed) for a big 3 of our own with Tyreke, McGrady & Cousins? And McGrady doesn't even have to be the #1 option. IMO, McGrady got hurt so much because he had to carry so much dead weight throughout his career with no help. Look at how much Allen Iverson got hurt carrying HIS nothing team for so many years? Has he EVER been 100%? If McGrady DOESN'T have to be the #1 option (which we wouldn't here), it might increase his longevity. Even GRANT HILL has finally gotten his career together, when given the chance. I know it's a risk, but sometimes in sports you HAVE to take risks to get ahead. Richmond for Webber was a risk at the time. It payed off.

[Draino]

I'd love him on the team. Casspi and Greene are still unproven and T-Mac will help us win some games while they develop. He can shoot, he's hungry, and let's face it, we need some veterans on this team. The front office feels the same way according to all the reports regarding our interest in Prince and Josh Howard. As long as it's for CHEAP, I think he'd look great in our starting line up.

Help us win games? What's the point. The reason OKC has such a bright future, is because they avoided crap gimmicks like this to improve themselves. Ya, signing T-Mac may help us win 1-5 games next year, but that's about it. We still won't be in the playoffs. Our team won't really be any better. It's just dumb.

Don't try to force us into contending or into the playoffs. Just be patient and slowly improve our team. We will most likely have another lotto pick next year, but that'll be an important asset for our overall team.

What's the point?? Would you rather have a PLAYOFF team or a lottery team?? Are you kidding me? As far as I know... EVERY GAME matters so if he helps us win ONE game extra, and that game is the difference between playoffs and lottery.... I'M ALL IN! a team has to learn how to lose in the playoffs before you can contend... ever thought of that? I'm all for T-MAC coming here if that ever happens.

And like Herman Edwards said... YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! simple as that

[Draino]

You think a legitimate shot at making the playoffs (which I don't think you should rule out) won't light a fire under our young guys to step their game up? I'd say there's a REAL chance it might actually accelerate their development if that have something to play for. Like the guy said, "you don't play just to play".

Players and coaches play to win the game.

General managers and the front office play to win a championship.

umm... don't you have to WIN GAMES in order to WIN CHAMPIONCHIPS!?!?!?!?!