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Post#41 » by KF10 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:01 am

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I think he may have been referring to Landry and not Rudy


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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#42 » by VeeJay24 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:07 am

Why does everybody want to just hand the SF spot to Casspi over Greene? I think Greene has more potential, is a better defender, and more versatile. Greene has grown much since he entered the league, Casspi still plays to fast and doesn't know how to let the game come to him. I think I heard Webber say during summer league that Coachie said Casspi hasn't learned how to get out of his own way and is fighting himself.

I think Petrie would have to decide which guy he likes better between Bayless or Fernandez and trade straight up with either Casspi or Greene me myself I would keep Greene.

Or they can do a 3 way with chicago who is offering James Johnson but Portland doesn't want him. The Kings would send Casspi and throw in Jackson to Portland who would send Bayless to the KIngs and Fernandez to the Bulls who then would send Johnson to the Kings.
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#43 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:41 am

Big fan of James Johnson but sending Casspi out for him and Bayless just isn't going to happen. Casspi was right near the top the rookie ladder last year for the majority of the season and still shows a ton of potential.
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#44 » by KF10 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:50 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Big fan of James Johnson but sending Casspi out for him and Bayless just isn't going to happen. Casspi was right near the top the rookie ladder last year for the majority of the season and still shows a ton of potential.


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Casspi is still pretty young and has room for improvement.
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#45 » by Sacramento_King » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:52 am

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Beno was one of the worst players in basketball two years ago and now he is worthy of his inflated deal. Why, new situation, coaching, responsibilities and all of a sudden he is a player again? I believe that Rudy will be that same player. New situation, clean slate and I bet he has a bounceback season. I completely agree he did those things (whine and regress), my point was if those things didn't happen, if he showed growth last season, he wouldn't be available. Add in the fact that you throw in Bayless who has shown flashes at only 22 years old and you have to consider. As I said before it's a maybe but the Kings would consider especially if they don't want to pay Landry.


I don't think Beno's situation is a correct comparison for Rudy's.

Beno rarely received minutes from the Spurs in his first three years in the L:

04-05: 14:24
05-06: 10:54
06-07: 13:00

At the time, Beno just turned 21 years old once his rookie year started. He put up decent numbers for an international player/rookie (not great but not horrible either):

6 points and 2 assists in his 1st year (44.4% FG/40.9% 3s/75.3% FTs). He was playing behind Tony Parker (and Manu...who can facilitate the offense as the primary ball handler with the Spurs). So, Beno wasn't the 6th or even the 7th guy on the Spurs. Unlike Rudy, who was their key bench player for the Blazers. I think it is wrong to paint a guy like Beno as one on of the worst players in the L. He is no where near that level in his worst days.

Once Beno was picked up by the Kings, he received the starting job off the bat and major minutes (30+ minutes) too.

Rudy, who is already receiving significant minutes, regressed and sulk his time there. There is no correlation between Beno and his situation.

Can Rudy bounce back? Absolutely. Is he worth Landry currently? Hell no.

Sure, Bayless is a part of the deal but I don't see anything special in his guy (maybe I'm wrong), he is a guard that can't shoot threes, does not have significant passing abilities, and is stuck between 1 and 2. The only significant thing he does well is slashing to the basket. In a deal for a guy like Landry, he is nothing more than an incentive.


Beno played well his first year with us, sucked his second year with the Kings and played better last year. Theus used him wrong, the team was in disarray whatever, he didn't perform very well. Last year he played better. Rudy could do something similar is all I'm saying.
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#46 » by Sacramento_King » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:54 am

I wouldn't trade Casspi for Johnson and Bayless. Fits in perfect for the Kings.
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#47 » by KF10 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:58 am

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Beno played well his first year with us, sucked his second year with the Kings and played better last year. Theus used him wrong, the team was in disarray whatever, he didn't perform very well. Last year he played better. Rudy could do something similar is all I'm saying.


Ok. I see what you are saying. Rudy is definitely capable bouncing back. But the point is, the Rudy + Bayless package for Landry isn't enticing at all. Even considering if Rudy returns to his good form.

IMO the Kings will try to retain Landry in a longterm deal. The Kings have the capspace to do it.
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#48 » by villatrynity154 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:55 am

ok, i love rudy for this team, and initailly the trade was for him, not bayless which to me has had a couple of years to blossom in portland behind basically only andre miller and hasn't seen minutes, so i really don't care about him. but even though rudy would be great for this team, the facts are that he isn't worth landry, and neither is bayless. that's why i offered the new guys...after all they are nothing but trading pieces to this team...or can anybody seriously tell me w/ a straight face that antoine wright is a key piece of the puzzle, or darnell jackson...right

fact is they aren't a piece of our puzzle and rudy isn't either, so you guys get rid of a guy that isn't worth much right now and is looking for a better fit, for 2 guys (which one of portland can waive [Jackson]). if anything the blazers get a hard-nosed defender in wright who won't demand shots at his position, but will be there to hit the shot if he has to. Portland is instantly deeper, they are already deep...asking for landry and throwing in bayless is just trying to pull our chain...no go
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Re: Trade w/ Portland 

Post#49 » by villatrynity154 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:57 am

but i do believe that fernandez will recuperate from last season and would really LOVE for him to get back on track here at sacramento, and i think this is a good team that lends itself to help rudy that way. think about it...fernandez had to compete against brandon roy every practice; here it would just be garcia...no offense to garcia, it's just a little more comfortable for the competition. gives you more confidence.

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