The Ideal Backcourt Fit For Tyreke Evans

[SacKingZZZ]

Tyreke will be just fine at SG. I have to think that regardless of what we do, teams are eventually going to figure out that they need to just put their best perimeter defender on Tyreke. If, for instance, we had him playing next to a Doug Christie, teams would just have their PG guarding Doug, since he won't take advantage of the mismatch as much as Tyreke.

The only way we'll have the size to have teams consistently putting their PGs on Tyreke is if we go with the Reke/Casspi/Donte lineup, but that lineup simply does not have enough ballhandling.

Actually, Cisco is probably even better than those two at pounding a midget down low if they put one on him. I still think Cisco is the perfect fit here.

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I still don't consider Tyreke a PG, and really, no one should, there's a reason Miami runs a PG next to Wade, and Portland tuns a PG next to Roy.

In all fairness though, I don't think either of those teams have a Cousins. He really could become a terrific playmaker.

Miami had dominant Shaq in 2005-2006, one of the best passers from the low post.

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BTW, Evans may improve these aspects in the future, but he's not the guy to calm the pace down when things start getting messy, he's not the guy to assure right distribution of the ball (he can't be, because he's primarily a scorer), he's not the guy running around to bail out forwards stuck behind double teams in corners, Beno is that guy, and that's a smart PG's job.

[villatrynity154]

I'm with mitch! What's wrong with Beno? Not every position has to be a superstar, and Beno plays really well with Tyreke. It's like they were made for each other.

i agree that not every position has to be a superstar...i think a blend is enough to put us over the top, but hey i guess if the lakers are full of stars, and miami is also, and NY wants to do the same thing, then we must follow the trend also cause if not we aren't gonna win a championship against that competition? hogwash. i think finding complementary players in this league is EXTREMELY hard to find, and here you have a guy that alone was nothing but we tyreke on the court suddenly he was OK. w/ DMC on the team i have a feeling that beno's weaknesses will be hidden even more.

the more important you are to your team's offense, the more teams focus on you, and the more important it is that you have very few weaknesses. however, as your team improves, and you become less important to the offense, there is less focus, and less room for you to make mistakes. in this case we have reke and cousins w/ JT, Greene, and Casspi potentially breaking out this season. we don't need beno to be a star, and we don't need someone better at his position. in this case, quemistry does all the difference. and fit is more important than individual talent. i say we have the piece next to reke. we just need garcia to prove he is back, and a dead eye shooter.

[pillwenney]

Tyreke will be just fine at SG. I have to think that regardless of what we do, teams are eventually going to figure out that they need to just put their best perimeter defender on Tyreke. If, for instance, we had him playing next to a Doug Christie, teams would just have their PG guarding Doug, since he won't take advantage of the mismatch as much as Tyreke.

The only way we'll have the size to have teams consistently putting their PGs on Tyreke is if we go with the Reke/Casspi/Donte lineup, but that lineup simply does not have enough ballhandling.

Actually, Cisco is probably even better than those two at pounding a midget down low if they put one on him. I still think Cisco is the perfect fit here.

Uhh....I've barely ever seen Cisco post anybody up. I remember many occasions last year when both Donte and Omri took advantage of size mismatches in the post.

[J08]

he just needs a pg that can play defense and shoot the three at a high clip.

the same way Kobe has fisher.

[SacKingZZZ]

Uhh....I've barely ever seen Cisco post anybody up. I remember many occasions last year when both Donte and Omri took advantage of size mismatches in the post.

Couple of years ago when Martin and Garcia finally got play together, I think right before the Artest trade? Anyway, he posted up more than a few times. They also tried to get Kevin doing it but he was basically hopeless. He has done it the last couple of years as well and he's improved since then. When he was younger he would just try to bowl over the other guy and it didn't always end successfully. Obviously it's not a big part of our offense but I've seen him do it before, he can do it again.

[SacKingZZZ]

Miami had dominant Shaq in 2005-2006, one of the best passers from the low post.

I was talking about now. And Cousins is already showing more high post, mid-range scoring ability than Shaq EVER did which certainly changes the dynamic of your offense. You also have to look at the role the players play. I think our situation is closer to that of the Lakers where they have more of a shooter/defender at PG than a true PG.

[twoolfork1]

BTW, Evans may improve these aspects in the future, but he's not the guy to calm the pace down when things start getting messy, he's not the guy to assure right distribution of the ball (he can't be, because he's primarily a scorer), he's not the guy running around to bail out forwards stuck behind double teams in corners, Beno is that guy, and that's a smart PG's job.

Tyreke will definatly be able to improve as far as court comporsure and slowing down the pace of the game before hes able to improve his long range shooting. The guy was only 19 last season with 1 year of college experience and asked to lead our team. It is expected that his court awareness would not be as developed given this scenario. Even great pg's such as Billups had problems with pace and court vision early in their careers. PG skills come from experience and chemistry more than anything else which can both take time to be developed.
SG means SHOOTING guard. I dont know any shooting guards in the league that can't efficiently shoot the mid range and 3 point jumpshot. Some players never develop good jumpers so until Tyreke shows he can conisistently hit those shots it is apporpriate to consider him a point. Hes more of a slasher 3 type at 6'6" than a shooting guard at this point.

[twoolfork1]

^^ Im not saying that he won't be able to develop that jumper because he is young and I think (and hope) that he will. But until then its hard to consider him a pure sg

[rjje118]

I think the ideal backcourt fit for Reke should be a fairly young versatile combo guard who can play off-ball, who can consistently knockdown shots especially from long range, who has excellent point-guard and ball-handling skills, and who can defend and match up physically with opposing point guards and shooting guards.

I agree with Evans is King. Billups would be a great fit, but he is turning 34 and wouldn't be a long term solution for the Kings' backcourt. Eric Gordon would be good because he has the the size to guard 1s and 2s, he can shoot the 3 and use his athleticism to score driving to the hoop, he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, but he lacks the true point-guard skills.

Steph Curry would be the perfect compliment to Tyreke's offensive game. With Stephen Curry, the Kings would have Curry who can shoot the lights out, Reke causing havoc driving the lanes (LOL, is it too soon?), and DMC busting heads in the low post. The Kings would be pretty much set on offense, but defensively I have to wonder if Curry can match up against bigger, stronger, and more athletic shooting guards. Also, I doubt the warriors would give him up. The Kings are more likely to draft Seth Curry and just hope that he can play as well or better than his brother.

I think D. Williams is a beast in Utah and would be a beast on the Kings. He's an all-star point-guard who can shoot the 3, score off the dribble, drop 10 dimes, play lock down defense against 1s and 2s, and he brings play-off experience and leadership. With D. Will, Reke would need to learn how to be effective without the ball in his hands, but I just don't see D. Will leaving Utah anytime soon.

Realistically, the Kings might need to fill the need in the backcourt through the draft. Some interesting prospects would Kyrie Irving and Seth Curry, if they enter the draft in 2011. I think another good prospect in the 2012 draft may be Austin Rivers (Doc Rivers' son). There's no saying how good these players will be, but Irving has been compared to CP3, Seth Curry has the potential to be better than his brother, and Austin Rivers is very similar to Stephen Curry at Davidson except he is bigger, taller, and more athletic.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

he just needs a pg that can play defense and shoot the three at a high clip.

the same way Kobe has fisher.

Derek Fisher can play defense?

[Sauce Boss]

Ran across this thread sifting through team forums and thought it was quite a good read. As someone who hasn't seen a large number of Kings games and just going off of paper I think you need a little of both aspects that constantly come up: a larger player that can play defense on the wing and a player with pure point guard skills. The only problem is that you really aren't going to find a player that has both so you might have to go with a situational lineup (from my understanding, kind of like how Westphal would start Udrih or Greene next to Evans at times) where you either start the size or the pg skilled player and rotate depending on how your opponent adjusts, Tyreke skills simply gives you that advantage. If I had to pick one that I'd want starting on paper though and not based on situational play, I'd have to go with the pure pg though. Evans size and need to have the ball in his hand a lot to slash to the paint makes him more ideal as a sg in my mind, doesn't mean the ball doesn't go to his hands a lot it just simply is where he naturally seems the best fit. So a role player pg who hits threes and passes intelligently is best, gravy if he plays tough D as well, so you basically need Udrih on 'roids lol. If Udrih isn't a long term answer I also like the suggestion of Goran Drogic, he is 6'3 and can pass plus he was #27 in the nba in 3pt fg% last year at nearly 40% in only 18 minutes played so he'd fill your 3pt shooting needs and his numbers might look better as a starter instead of Nash's backup if given the opportunity. Other realistic option you could look at are one of the two San Antonio pg's in Hill or Parker, not sure if either is ideal though. Well, that's my two cents

[desquivel18]

he just needs a pg that can play defense and shoot the three at a high clip.

the same way Kobe has fisher.

^^ thats what i think too. but i also think that a SG like cisco would be a good fit for him. hes someone who plays d, shoots the 3 well, and can handle the ball. with cisco in the lineup, the kings also have a huge height advantage