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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#21 » by perezident » Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:40 pm

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Wow, this story was very interesting...some quotes from it...

It was the third consecutive game in which the Kings played their worst after halftime. But it wasn't the first time players and coach Paul Westphal said poor execution and focus led to another loss.

"It's unacceptable lack of focus," said Kings forward Carl Landry. "You don't know the play, you shouldn't be in the game. Period. That shouldn't even be an issue at this point. Everybody should know the plays in preseason."

But it's still an issue, and it's costing the Kings games.


Players said it's time for everyone to be accountable for being unprepared. Mistakes will happen, but losing focus on the court was called unacceptable more than once.

"Maybe it's not that they just forget it – maybe they don't want to know it and they just want to do their own thing," said Kings forward Jason Thompson. "That's what it comes down to …

"After a certain time, there's no excuse. That's why you have film; that's why you have playbooks."

Westphal has said that when multiple players make mistakes, he can't sit everyone down.

Landry said part of being a professional is knowing what to do and that if that doesn't happen, there must be consequences because the Kings realize they can't overcome these mistakes and win.

"It's just like a regular job," Landry said. "If you don't know what you're doing, you get fired. Demoted. It's the same thing. That's the way we should be."


http://www.sacbee.com/2010/12/01/322361 ... story.html


KIE and myself and probably one or two others are correct! It is the players and not Westphal who should be taking the bulk of the blame!! But add to that list Evans because he was quoted saying the same things. My bets are they're calling out Dally Cisco and Casspi. Dally and Landry need to be dealt right now..this is the mark. Arenas we're coming baby
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#22 » by KingInExile » Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:32 pm

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Wow, this story was very interesting...some quotes from it...

It was the third consecutive game in which the Kings played their worst after halftime. But it wasn't the first time players and coach Paul Westphal said poor execution and focus led to another loss.

"It's unacceptable lack of focus," said Kings forward Carl Landry. "You don't know the play, you shouldn't be in the game. Period. That shouldn't even be an issue at this point. Everybody should know the plays in preseason."

But it's still an issue, and it's costing the Kings games.


Players said it's time for everyone to be accountable for being unprepared. Mistakes will happen, but losing focus on the court was called unacceptable more than once.

"Maybe it's not that they just forget it – maybe they don't want to know it and they just want to do their own thing," said Kings forward Jason Thompson. "That's what it comes down to …

"After a certain time, there's no excuse. That's why you have film; that's why you have playbooks."

Westphal has said that when multiple players make mistakes, he can't sit everyone down.

Landry said part of being a professional is knowing what to do and that if that doesn't happen, there must be consequences because the Kings realize they can't overcome these mistakes and win.

"It's just like a regular job," Landry said. "If you don't know what you're doing, you get fired. Demoted. It's the same thing. That's the way we should be."


http://www.sacbee.com/2010/12/01/322361 ... story.html

So Landry, JT, Sammy D and Head are also singing the same story...I wonder who they are calling out? Evans? Garcia? Cousins? Casspi? Green? Hmm...

And this is why all of this crying to "fire the coach" are just completely stupid. The coach can only do so much. The coach can't hold the hands of the players on the floor. If the players refuse to learn, refuse to execute or are just don't have the brains to comprehend what to do when they're on the floor, then those players MUST be held accountable. There has been a lot of complaining that Westphal "only has a couple of plays". I'm starting to think that, if he does have a limited playbook, it is for the simple fact that he recognizes his players are incapable of learning anything complex...like don't dribble the ball into traffic, pass the ball to teammates and keep moving without the ball. And before you try to go down the predictable road of "they've probably tuned PW out and that's a coaching issue"...the vast majority of the roster is too young and has not been in the league long enough to earn the right to tune out a coach. What you call "tuning out a coach" for a young player I call it a player being a prima dona punk who's being too arrogant for his own good.

One positive from these quotes is that maybe, just maybe this is a sign that Landry and/or Head are about to step up to take on a more vocal leadership role. Somebody has to. If they're willing to point out to reporters what they see as the on court problems, then they should be willing to gather together their teammates and try to drive these points into their heads.
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#23 » by RIPskaterdude » Wed Dec 1, 2010 5:30 pm

If Head or Landry want to step up and take on more of a vocal leadership role, calling out their teammates through the media probably isn't the way to start it off.
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#24 » by ICMTM » Wed Dec 1, 2010 9:21 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Here's the other BS part of this. If Westphal were to get fired there a far many more reasons than any potential clashes with Cousins. How about the fact that this team looks like a bunch of lost kids when they are out on the court. Not just one guy, or two guys, THE WHOLE TEAM!!! I can already see Cousins getting the blame if Westphal gets fired. What a joke. People talk about the players holding themselves accountable, what about the coach, or the the GM, etc.? I shutter to think if this team doesn't turn it around and Westphal doesn't get the offensive ship righted what will happen. They honestly would keep Westphal if the situation is clearly destined to fail? I doubt it. They just plunked almost a mil down the toilet the other day. Message sent to anyone who's within listening range.


I'm glad we agree on something. I was at this season ticket holder thing before the game and the account reps asked what I thought about the team. They then were happy I didn't complain and walked off. I did say that I don't think this a playoff team, but I thought this was the year we'd see progress. If anything it's looking like we're taking a step back. If Westphal isn't directly responsible who is? The basketball community expected this team to be better with the talent we have. I think we've expected the play to be better. It has to fall on the head coach.
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#25 » by ICMTM » Wed Dec 1, 2010 9:28 pm

KingInExile wrote:And this is why all of this crying to "fire the coach" are just completely stupid. The coach can only do so much. The coach can't hold the hands of the players on the floor. If the players refuse to learn, refuse to execute or are just don't have the brains to comprehend what to do when they're on the floor, then those players MUST be held accountable. There has been a lot of complaining that Westphal "only has a couple of plays". I'm starting to think that, if he does have a limited playbook, it is for the simple fact that he recognizes his players are incapable of learning anything complex...like don't dribble the ball into traffic, pass the ball to teammates and keep moving without the ball. And before you try to go down the predictable road of "they've probably tuned PW out and that's a coaching issue"...the vast majority of the roster is too young and has not been in the league long enough to earn the right to tune out a coach. What you call "tuning out a coach" for a young player I call it a player being a prima dona punk who's being too arrogant for his own good.

One positive from these quotes is that maybe, just maybe this is a sign that Landry and/or Head are about to step up to take on a more vocal leadership role. Somebody has to. If they're willing to point out to reporters what they see as the on court problems, then they should be willing to gather together their teammates and try to drive these points into their heads.


If your team is choosing not to follow you, then you're not a good coach. Isn't this why Reggie Theus was let go? He didn't have control over the locker room. This locker room is a HOT mess.
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#26 » by boogie-reke » Wed Dec 1, 2010 9:51 pm

Why do people keep make excuses for the coach is beyond me, the guy needs to go ASAP it's preety damn obviuse, even if it's not entirely his fault, it's his fault.
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#27 » by dozencousins » Wed Dec 1, 2010 10:13 pm

Their are only 2 reasons why PW is still are coach plain & simple :

1. Because the organization was stupid enough to extend PW contract to 2012 in the 1st place I believe its because in comparison to other coaches Westpaul's contracty is very cheap .
2. Somewhate related to # 1 also the economy the Kings attendance at games is terrible most games only are 35% - 45% full at best unless a big name team like the LAKERS , HEAT , Boston etc. roll into town .
Look at it this way the KINGS were offing any upper level seat to the PACERS game for $10 each that is far cheaper than the normal alone , The KINGS keep offering several package deals because they are struggling to get people in the arena . Back when we were really good having C-WEBB etc. the KINGS sold out easily & consistantly they did not have to offer up very many promotions or extremelly cheap offers .
If the KINGS were real;ly good again bad economy or not they possibilly may not sell out but the arena would be alot fuller & ther chances of the KINGS moving would be alot slimmer because if the fans are really interested in the team the support of the team would show in its attendance .
This is not to say that non of us our interested in going to games etc. this is a statement as a whole for the whole City . I realize some people just cant afford to go but I assure you if we were good most people will find a way to see a game or 2 live at the arena !

BOTTOM LINE WESTPAUL'S job is saved because of the fact he was given the extension to 2012 & the fact that the KINGS are not doing well financially .
Aside from WESTPAUL'S contract expiring in 2012 the only was he losses his job before that is by an accumulative ammount of complaints in reguards to him by EVANS & possibly others .
If as an example COUSINS was the one to complain ity would fall on deaf ears for now because though its COUSINS immaturity more so he has a history of having some problems with attitute .
That said I almost get offended when people say he has attitude because alot of people in life mistake attitude for someones passion about something & I believe COUISINS is just be passionate he is a winner & hates lossing .
That is fantastic to have on our team . We need those type of players .
Cousins is not saving PW's job at all !
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#28 » by KingInExile » Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:47 am

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KingInExile wrote:And this is why all of this crying to "fire the coach" are just completely stupid. The coach can only do so much. The coach can't hold the hands of the players on the floor. If the players refuse to learn, refuse to execute or are just don't have the brains to comprehend what to do when they're on the floor, then those players MUST be held accountable. There has been a lot of complaining that Westphal "only has a couple of plays". I'm starting to think that, if he does have a limited playbook, it is for the simple fact that he recognizes his players are incapable of learning anything complex...like don't dribble the ball into traffic, pass the ball to teammates and keep moving without the ball. And before you try to go down the predictable road of "they've probably tuned PW out and that's a coaching issue"...the vast majority of the roster is too young and has not been in the league long enough to earn the right to tune out a coach. What you call "tuning out a coach" for a young player I call it a player being a prima dona punk who's being too arrogant for his own good.

One positive from these quotes is that maybe, just maybe this is a sign that Landry and/or Head are about to step up to take on a more vocal leadership role. Somebody has to. If they're willing to point out to reporters what they see as the on court problems, then they should be willing to gather together their teammates and try to drive these points into their heads.


If your team is choosing not to follow you, then you're not a good coach. Isn't this why Reggie Theus was let go? He didn't have control over the locker room. This locker room is a HOT mess.

And what's to guarantee that the players will listen to anyone? I'm becoming more and more convinced that the roster has a bunch of guys who could care less what anyone asks them to do. They're just going to do their own thing and to hell with what others want. The team is selfish, undisciplined and has the on-court leadership of a pick-up team at a computer camp.

So let's say Westphal is fired and players continue to "tune out the coach". Do you turn around and just fire the next coach? And when it happens again, is the answer to fire another coach? How many coaches do you go through before deciding that it's maybe not a coaching problem? Fire Westphal and that would be the 5th coaching change in 5 years. Maybe the players aren't listening because they have seen an ownership and management team put their coaches in a revolving door. It's easy to look at the pattern and say "well, the coach won't be here too long so it's ok not to listen to him". The only way to break that pattern is to STOP the carousel! For good or bad Petrie and the Maloofs MUST stick with their coach for more than a season plus a few games. If they don't stop the revolving door players are just going to keep sitting there not listening to the coach...whoever they are. Why bother...they won't be around long anyway.
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Re: How DeMarcus Cousins is securing Paul Westphal 

Post#29 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:44 am

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KIE and myself and probably one or two others are correct! It is the players and not Westphal who should be taking the bulk of the blame!! But add to that list Evans because he was quoted saying the same things. My bets are they're calling out Dally Cisco and Casspi. Dally and Landry need to be dealt right now..this is the mark. Arenas we're coming baby



You're neglecting the part where Westphal mentioned that he didn't "overload" the players with strategy. Honestly I can tell the absolute major plays he's using and going to the most. 90% of teams have already figured them out, and if they don't at the start of the game, they do at half time. It also doesn't change the fact that what he is running isn't how this team should used. Makes more and more sense that Cousins suggested other strategies should be used. Sorry to all those that just think we're hating on Westphal or hugging the nuts of Cousins, HE'S RIGHT! Last night they ran things through him the way it should. Not perfect and not enough options when he's got the ball, but Westphal might just be waking up here. Interested to see if he continues down the path of progression or regression next game.

1. The high pick and roll. Rarely results in a successful pass to the big rolling to the rack. Great play for Beno, complained about it not being used enough last year.

2. Iso post entry. The post feeder either stays to re-post or clears away, as do the other players. No cutting, no movement. Maybe it's the guys not knowing, but if that was the case I would expect to see guys cutting in the way of the post player, etc. I'm not. I simply seeing isolation time and time again.

3. Drive by Tyreke who either dishes out, or continues deeper into the paint. The main problem with this play is usually Landry or Daly are posting up during this action so this may be one of the "nobody knows the play" thing. Sounds like a clear shot at Tyreke IMO.

Other than that, don't see much else being "run". One guy forgetting a play doesn't throw your offense into this kind of flux time and time again. Teams adjust, we don't. Simple as that. If we can't score in the open court we lose 75% of our offense which is an absolute atrocity considering the kind of half court talent we have in Cousins and Evans.

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