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Re: "Pacers-Kings Preview: Here Comes Tyreke, Sactown" 

Post#161 » by darkadun » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:00 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Bottom line, time to give up the ghost. Build a system around Evans and Cousins. Everybody else is a role player. They are young but the result might not only be less ugly than the play we've seen lately but we will probably get more wins in the short term as well.

Don't just start Cousins and Evans Westphal BUILD A SYSTEM. Design plays and make play calls during the game that make the game much easier for not only them, but everyone else. That's how teams with STAR players do it. Some around here debate that title being associated with them but it's all we've got and IMO it's potential as a combo is through the roof!


Totally agree!!!

And, TBH I think we can throw Landry in there. One of the problems I see with this team is that they don't know where to go to get points. For example, look at the Pacers last night. Where did they go for offense? Collison, Hibbert and Granger. Thats it. They worked the offense thru those 3 guys, and we couldn't stop it.

Where did we go? Other than Cousins at the end of the game I have no idea, and I'm pretty sure they had no idea either. The whole idea of bringing Landry of the bench was to be a killer sixth man. Did he play bad? No, he took like 6 shots. Thats unacceptable.

Landry and Cousins should get 10-15 shots every single game, and I'm fine with Reke getting 13-18 shots. And you could argue beno getting a good chunk since he is arguably our best shooter. But, my point is that should be our offense. PERIOD.
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Re: "Pacers-Kings Preview: Here Comes Tyreke, Sactown" 

Post#162 » by boogie-reke » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:51 pm

I would love to see some plays with screens for the big men to get them into a deeper position and closer to the basket.

Both Landry and Cousins when they get the ball close it's money, and coach always takes the easy way, just throwing it down to them.. make them move and run a little to get better position and Landry won't have to be a jump shooter and Cousins FG% will go alot higher.

All those little things are those keeping us from winning.
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Re: "Pacers-Kings Preview: Here Comes Tyreke, Sactown" 

Post#163 » by HUBlackstar83 » Wed Dec 1, 2010 4:54 pm

It's beyond frustrating to watch this team struggle, but even more so with Tyreke. What happened to the guy in this video that we all raved about last season. Please come back to us Reke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02EE569wq50
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Post#164 » by Nicky Nix Nook » Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:41 pm

Please fire Westphal. I have never seen such an oblivious coach in my life.
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Post#165 » by ADoaN17 » Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:28 pm

I wish 'Reke made Team USA because all of those guys are doing good this year. Nice confidence booster.
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Post#166 » by ICMTM » Wed Dec 1, 2010 8:28 pm

Dustin5566 wrote:All the reporters were asking the same questions we were.

Why Casspi on Granger over Greene??

PW: Greene played 22 minutes and Casspi 16. Granger was killing everyone so why not have Casspi try to guard him. Other than that I dont know how to answer your question...


I had a pretty good seat for this one. Danny Granger was destroying both of them anyway. My thing with the Kings wasn't their defense. It was their offense. For some reason when I sit close to the bench my cell reception is horrible. Anyway it seemed to me that the Kings hit a lot of athletic shots. We seem to want to isolate one guy and let him go one on one. The only player that continually received easy shots was Beno Udrih. He was getting that midrange jumper wide open and killing it.

I feel this is the reason why the Kings are looking bad. We don't have 8 guys that are one v one iso guys. It's also the reason why guys like Casspi, Garcia, Greene, and Thompson are going to struggle a lot with Westphal. They aren't players that play well in isolation. I just felt like when we missed a shot Indian put it down our throats. I don't feel we ever are able to create easy shots through the offensive system. We hit a stretch in the 3rd where we missed shots and the Pacers just ran us.

Cousins looked good for a strech, but that guy looks OLD! He has no spring in his jump. He's the last one up and down the court at times. I'm not sure if it's even from lack of effort. I'm not sure he's physically able to move. There were quite a few times this season where I've thought to myself why doesn't he dunk the ball?

All in all Danny Granger is a beast. Roy Hibbert is a great example of why there should be an age limit for pro basketball. He's not the best athletically but he has polish to his game. He knows his strengths and knows his role on his team. He was impressive.

I thought at least the rotations/playing time was better. I think the odd man out should be Dalembert though. That guy isn't that good. I've never been a fan, and frankly I'm still not.
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Post#167 » by LeBron's Time » Wed Dec 1, 2010 8:29 pm

ADoaN17 wrote:At least this gives up a better chance to get Kemba Walker!
I didn't get the chance to watch but I saw the press conference. Seems like the Kings have problems adjusting after halftime.


no to kemba walker, hes already junior in college. giving you good stats on his junior year or senior(like austin freeman), doesn't impress me, look evan turner @ nba. whats kemba walker stats during his freshman year? lots of freshman's right now are better than him....irving, pery jones, terence jones, sulinger, knight.
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Post#168 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Wed Dec 1, 2010 8:56 pm

If we actually decide to put a pass-heavy PG next to Tyreke (which I still think wouldn't work) there are better fits then Kemba.
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Post#169 » by ICMTM » Wed Dec 1, 2010 9:08 pm

Lightning Strike wrote:If we actually decide to put a pass-heavy PG next to Tyreke (which I still think wouldn't work) there are better fits then Kemba.


Reke is going to need to learn either to play off the ball or be a distributor with it. This dribble drive/kick crap is for street ballers. It's not complicated to defend.
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Post#170 » by Wolfay » Wed Dec 1, 2010 9:51 pm

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Lightning Strike wrote:If we actually decide to put a pass-heavy PG next to Tyreke (which I still think wouldn't work) there are better fits then Kemba.


Reke is going to need to learn either to play off the ball or be a distributor with it. This dribble drive/kick crap is for street ballers. It's not complicated to defend.


I agree. His passes are starting to get picked off at a regular rate. The defense knows exactly what Tyreke is going to do. It worked to an extent last season because opposing teams never seen him play before and underestimated him, but that's not going to fly anymore. I think Tyreke can expand his repertoire though, or at least I hope he can.
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Post#171 » by dozencousins » Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:45 am

The other mistake TYREKE does alot is he jumps up in the air alot to pass the ball its not needed alot !
Furthermore alot of times when he is up in the air he seems to not be sure if he is going to pass or shot the ball this type of play causes alot of turnovers , mistakes & bad shot selection .
He needs to shop doing this or at least dramatically reduce this style of play .
TYREKE has the ability to be so great he just needs to tweek his game a bit & if he does he will be just fine !
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Post#172 » by Kingsforlife » Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:49 am

Lightning Strike wrote:If we actually decide to put a pass-heavy PG next to Tyreke (which I still think wouldn't work) there are better fits then Kemba.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=41515 that isnt pass heavy so far he is kicking Brandon Knight's ass
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Post#173 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:52 am

Three games is a great sample size.
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Post#174 » by Kingsforlife » Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:53 am

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Post#175 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:50 am

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I had a pretty good seat for this one. Danny Granger was destroying both of them anyway. My thing with the Kings wasn't their defense. It was their offense. For some reason when I sit close to the bench my cell reception is horrible. Anyway it seemed to me that the Kings hit a lot of athletic shots. We seem to want to isolate one guy and let him go one on one. The only player that continually received easy shots was Beno Udrih. He was getting that midrange jumper wide open and killing it.

I feel this is the reason why the Kings are looking bad. We don't have 8 guys that are one v one iso guys. It's also the reason why guys like Casspi, Garcia, Greene, and Thompson are going to struggle a lot with Westphal. They aren't players that play well in isolation. I just felt like when we missed a shot Indian put it down our throats. I don't feel we ever are able to create easy shots through the offensive system. We hit a stretch in the 3rd where we missed shots and the Pacers just ran us.

Cousins looked good for a strech, but that guy looks OLD! He has no spring in his jump. He's the last one up and down the court at times. I'm not sure if it's even from lack of effort. I'm not sure he's physically able to move. There were quite a few times this season where I've thought to myself why doesn't he dunk the ball?

All in all Danny Granger is a beast. Roy Hibbert is a great example of why there should be an age limit for pro basketball. He's not the best athletically but he has polish to his game. He knows his strengths and knows his role on his team. He was impressive.

I thought at least the rotations/playing time was better. I think the odd man out should be Dalembert though. That guy isn't that good. I've never been a fan, and frankly I'm still not.



A long time ago, I chose to never form my opinions and observations from seeing a game live. You see too little of the actual action, and you see ALL the uglies, none of the good. :lol: Dudes miss a shot on TV and it's "almost in". That same shot live missed by two feet! hahaha. Cousins doesn't get much lift, but with that length and body, it shouldn't be any problem. He's actually got pretty decent quickness as well. His strong suit clearly won't be running up and down the court, but a lot of times he doesn't make it back on D because he has some sort of fetish with trying to strip guards in the backcourt. Wow, that sounds wrong. hehehe. You know what I mean though.
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Re: "Pacers-Kings Preview: Here Comes Tyreke, Sactown" 

Post#176 » by ICMTM » Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:35 am

I see about a 3rd of the games in person, a third on TV, and I listen to a third on the radio. I think the G man does a GREAT job because if I listen to a game, and see a highlight later I feel like I've already seen it.

Anyhow I think the best seats are the 1st row on the upper deck. You see EVERYTHING but you're not too far to lose an appreciation for the athleticism. Last night we were upgraded to lower level so when I say Cousins looked old...he looked old. He is quick, but he's not fully in shape. After he made that run when he made like four baskets in a row he looked like he was going to fall over.

The things you do see are when people are hustling away from the ball! You see which players are running back on defense. You see which players are standing watching the ball. You see how a person is about to be beat before it happens. That's why when Granger went off for 37 I wasn't too mad. He just ran by everyone. Greene, Casspi, et al tried staying in front of him. It just didn't work. The Pacers also did a good job screening for him.
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Post#177 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:27 am

ICMTM wrote:I see about a 3rd of the games in person, a third on TV, and I listen to a third on the radio. I think the G man does a GREAT job because if I listen to a game, and see a highlight later I feel like I've already seen it.

Anyhow I think the best seats are the 1st row on the upper deck. You see EVERYTHING but you're not too far to lose an appreciation for the athleticism. Last night we were upgraded to lower level so when I say Cousins looked old...he looked old. He is quick, but he's not fully in shape. After he made that run when he made like four baskets in a row he looked like he was going to fall over.

The things you do see are when people are hustling away from the ball! You see which players are running back on defense. You see which players are standing watching the ball. You see how a person is about to be beat before it happens. That's why when Granger went off for 37 I wasn't too mad. He just ran by everyone. Greene, Casspi, et al tried staying in front of him. It just didn't work. The Pacers also did a good job screening for him.


Yeah, anywhere somewhere in the range of where the camera would be. Sitting near or on the ends just makes these guys look bad! hahaha.

That's true on the second part.

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