Tyreke and the We-Need-a-PG Fiction

[BrooklynBulls]

A true PG specifically means a non-ball dominator. They generate very little self-offense, looking to facilitate for guys like Reke.

[boogie-reke]

I mean, last year whenever Sergio Rodriguez was on the floor - imo atleast we looked great and really got things going.

I mean he wasn't consistent, but you get my point I hope... we need that!

[Cruel_Ruin]

I like the Billups idea. We need a guy who won't dominate the ball and get Tyreke and Demarcus the ball where they are comfortable.

[davidse]

and so for the third time in the last month or so -

that guard's name is kirk hinrich.

(assuming you're going to build around evans - which i wouldn't do in the first place)

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, or it'll actually set up a confident, organized offense that is designed to use them. Again,a true PG doesn't mean a playmaker a la Nash or Paul. It means somebody who's primary job is to set up the offense and get players involved. It allows Tyreke to focus on the part of his game where he's so great--playmaking.

Depends on how they're used I guess. I see the offense you speak of when Evans is attacking or when Cousins is given enough room. I can only imagine what it will look like with some type of organization and consistent and meaningful off the ball movement is added. "True" PG's need the ball. They ARE primary ballhandlers unless we have a disagreement on what the term "true" indicates. I'm basing my opinion on the idea that most PG's in that vain are the one's probing the defense. Not playing off the ball as a primary floor spreader.

[SacKingZZZ]

A true PG specifically means a non-ball dominator. They generate very little self-offense, looking to facilitate for guys like Reke.

It could work, but I think having someone that can do both, especially spot shoot has to be the type being looked at. A PG by definition is a "ball dominator", now that doesn't mean they have to be a "shot dominator". In order to set up an offense they need the ball. If that's all they do is set up the offense and they aren't considered a threat in any other way (once again, shooting wise), players like Evans and Cousins are going to suffer. Those are two consistent double team talents right there. Everyone else should be ready to cut or shoot. Depends on how your offense runs I guess. A guy like Billups could work. He's the type of player somewhat in between those types of guards. As always, it comes back down to what the real issue is. Is it that they can't set up the offense? Or is it that there isn't any consistent offense to set up?

I actually like how Pooh set up the post play in that last game. He's a little shot dominant sometimes though.

[RekeHavoc]

A true PG specifically means a non-ball dominator. They generate very little self-offense, looking to facilitate for guys like Reke.

It could work, but I think having someone that can do both, especially spot shoot has to be the type being looked at. A PG by definition is a "ball dominator", now that doesn't mean they have to be a "shot dominator". In order to set up an offense they need the ball. If that's all they do is set up the offense and they aren't considered a threat in any other way (once again, shooting wise), players like Evans and Cousins are going to suffer. Those are two consistent double team talents right there. Everyone else should be ready to cut or shoot. Depends on how your offense runs I guess. A guy like Billups could work. He's the type of player somewhat in between those types of guards. As always, it comes back down to what the real issue is. Is it that they can't set up the offense? Or is it that there isn't any consistent offense to set up?

I actually like how Pooh set up the post play in that last game. He's a little shot dominant sometimes though.

If anything showed you that Tyreke aint a PG bro, it should've been how well the team played yesterday with Jeter at the point. That was when we made our main run. We need a guy who can actually make a post entry pass and get the team into a play.

[BrooklynBulls]

True PGs have to be shooters. PGs should be shooters, period, traditionally. But lets not speak in abstractions and deal in players. A guy like Calderon qualifies, he certainly doesn't monopolize the ball to facilitate offense. Although his defense is a so bad, that on a defensively inept team like the Kings, he'd give up what his offensive savvy generates. And I'm still jockeying Maynor. That guy can play.

[SacKingZZZ]

If anything showed you that Tyreke aint a PG bro, it should've been how well the team played yesterday with Jeter at the point. That was when we made our main run. We need a guy who can actually make a post entry pass and get the team into a play.

Don't care what you call Tyreke, he should be the one with the ball more often than not. Jeter was good, but so was Tyreke in that Dallas game.

That's why I mentioned Jeter and the entrance pass. He did it well and didn't really settle for anything else. Tyreke needs to rely on Cousins more, and more importantly, he needs to learn how to play off the ball or be prepared to shoot when Cousins gets it back to him. Cousins made a sweet dish to Evans on the perimeter and Evans turned the shot down because he wasn't shooting well. I'd like to see some motion from Tyreke to the rim like that play to Casspi from Cousins. Making a post entry pass doesn't require a PG, just someone willing to make it.

[SacKingZZZ]

True PGs have to be shooters. PGs should be shooters, period, traditionally. But lets not speak in abstractions and deal in players. A guy like Calderon qualifies, he certainly doesn't monopolize the ball to facilitate offense. Although his defense is a so bad, that on a defensively inept team like the Kings, he'd give up what his offensive savvy generates. And I'm still jockeying Maynor. That guy can play.

Yeah, because if the idea is to go and get say, a Rajon Rondo or J-Kidd type, I think that would do far more harm than good. They are as about as "true" as you get, but they wouldn't fit well.

Calderon could, he's been brought up in the past. Usually with the idea that he's not much of an improvement over Beno which indeed might be the case dollar for dollar.

If the Kings truly had interest in Jeff Teague, he could be a good fit, but he isn't somebody I would consider a "true" PG either.

The perfect fit IMO is a Derek Fisher type of player. Plays D and can shoot. Phil Jackson type PG's is what I would look at. Steve Blake is the right type I think. Right now more of a playmaking PG could help, but in time I fully expect to see a system in which the majority of the playmaking is from Evans and Cousins. Maybe in some form of the Triangle offense.

Funny, I think Reggie Theus would have been a much better fit coach wise for this team because these are the exact types of players he wanted and they could have ran that basic triangle he was attempting to run. Westphal would have been better for that Artest led team.