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Here's why this team isn't doing so well!

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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#21 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:32 am

tru6playa wrote:Well, I see another issue is the Kings' players set and receive screens half-hearted. If you set a lousy pick, the play is no more than running around in circles - it's easy to defend. I always see our players go wide around a screen, instead of brushing off the screener's outside shoulder. I also always see our screeners release from their screen before the defender even passes them.


Next time they play watch the screens. Just about every time the guard moves before the big is even in position to set the screen. If they make contact they'll be called for the foul every time.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#22 » by RIPskaterdude » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:49 am

I know a lot of us aren't the biggest fans of Voisin, but she hit it spot on here...

Part of the proof is in the numbers: After the 13-14 start a year ago, the Kings won 12 more games and lost 43; dropped 13 of their final 15; won three of four to begin the current season, and yet despite an immensely advantageous early home schedule, are clinging to life at 5-20.

Again, it's not the wins and losses. It's the scratch-the-head nightly product.

Frankly, the Kings should be better than this, should be playing harder, playing with more of an edge, playing to establish an identity as the league inches toward a lockout in 2011-12.


Though the Maloofs internally have had conversations about a coaching change, they defer to Petrie on basketball matters and are squeamish about firing yet another coach.

As of today, there are no plans to make a move. But that can change. The home schedule again turns favorable, and if Westphal is unable to extract a more inspired and collaborative effort out of his club these next two weeks, the owners and Petrie will be pressured to make a move.

This is the NBA. This is how it works.

The idea is to improve on last year's 25-win season, not fall backward, and back into oblivion.


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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#23 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:07 am

If it comes down to having to fire a coach that clearly can't make the best use of the talent before him and instills a philosophy that is clearly counter productive in the end it just has to happen. Don't grow a vagina and think you've fired too many guys already. This team wasn't built to suit Paul Westphal so it should be no shock that he might not be the right guy for this team. For the first time in a long time with this rebuild a unit of players worth keeping is finally starting to creep into the picture, if Westphal doesn't fit, MAKE A CHANGE. And this time when you hire a coach, pick a guy that philosophically fits with the talent on the team (Eddie Jordan ahem! :wink: ).
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#24 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:34 pm

No thanks to Jordan. Used to support him, not anymore. We need to immediately go for the best available coach, and IMHO that's Jeff VG.

I still never support firing a coach midway into the season, but if it happens, no more being cheap with coaching.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#25 » by pillwenney » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:13 pm

Ugh. I'm sure we would go after Jordan too. Pass. Aside from the fact that he's an average coach, he's not even one that fits that well with this team.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#26 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:23 am

mitchweber wrote:Ugh. I'm sure we would go after Jordan too. Pass. Aside from the fact that he's an average coach, he's not even one that fits that well with this team.



I don't know, I liked what I saw from this team when they were running back cuts, screens, etc. Jordan might be an average coach, but he might be a good fit system wise for this team moving forward. He'd also be cheap too, which means all he has to do is get the ball rolling if he's not the right figurehead for these players long term. I'd look for any coach that understands the type of system that is best used when featuring two isolation type options that also have the ability to make players around them better with their passing.

I've been against JVG as a coach for some time, but with some of the pieces this team has now, it could be a good move. He could really use this team (with some roster adjustment of course) like he did with T-mac and Yao. A ball stopping type of wing with a multidimensional post big that can step away and create or shoot. Problem is, he ain't gonna come cheap and I'd be a little surprised if his first foray back into the coaching ranks would be with a young rebuilding team like this.

Another option I'd like to look at would be Brian Shaw. The problem there is that he's probably going to be the one to take Zenmaster's throne when he splits so...yeah, can't compete with that!

If not any somewhat established coach I would really want this team to think outside of the box and maybe look at someone that isn't on anyone's radar and is brought in for nothing more than his ability to manage personalities and a backround in more of a team system. Maybe a Theus type who hasn't had much coaching experience in the NBA but in sitting with Petrie and the Maloofs puts out the right ideas on how to help this team play as a team. When trying to win you don't go out and get yourself a Musselman or Theus but on a team looking to save $$$ and just develop you do. Would be awesome if we could go back in time and swap Westphal and Theus. Westphal would have been an awesome coach for that Artest led team and the types of things Theus wanted to do with that team he could do with Evans and Cousins. Oh well, timings everything.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#27 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:26 am

Lightning Strike wrote:No thanks to Jordan. Used to support him, not anymore. We need to immediately go for the best available coach, and IMHO that's Jeff VG.

I still never support firing a coach midway into the season, but if it happens, no more being cheap with coaching.


Not a good thing, and Westphal does indeed deserve more time IMO, but the clock is ticking, and fast. If it doesn't look likes it's working sometime after the new year I'd go with Elie. Heck, he was a coaching candidate of this team in the past, see what he can do with this team. Just because there aren't any other options that are "clearly" better doesn't mean you should stop looking.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#28 » by longfellow44 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:48 am

If we can get another shooter at the guard positiin i would support getting jordan as the coach. His offense would look good on our bigs( thompson and cousins)
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#29 » by rpa » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:23 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:I know a lot of us aren't the biggest fans of Voisin, but she hit it spot on here...


I don't really see what she was spot-on about. All she did was say "the Kings are bad and they should be better" and "Westphal is on the hot seat" in 10 different ways. It's one reason why I hate so many journalists--they rarely delve into the problem and try to pinpoint what's wrong. Instead (and this is on full display in her article) they just state the obvious over and over again in different ways. Yes Ailene, we know the Kings are bad; yes, we know they should be better; yes, we know there have been internal discussions about Westphal.

It would be nice if someone wrote an article about WHY the Kings are bad--not one just telling us the Kings are bad.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#30 » by RIPskaterdude » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:39 am

They're bad because they have Westfail ;)
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#31 » by The Beam King » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:14 am

rpa wrote:
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:I know a lot of us aren't the biggest fans of Voisin, but she hit it spot on here...


I don't really see what she was spot-on about. All she did was say "the Kings are bad and they should be better" and "Westphal is on the hot seat" in 10 different ways. It's one reason why I hate so many journalists--they rarely delve into the problem and try to pinpoint what's wrong. Instead (and this is on full display in her article) they just state the obvious over and over again in different ways. Yes Ailene, we know the Kings are bad; yes, we know they should be better; yes, we know there have been internal discussions about Westphal.

It would be nice if someone wrote an article about WHY the Kings are bad--not one just telling us the Kings are bad.


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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#32 » by Travis_Night » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:11 pm

The Magoofs overpaid Cwebb and Bibby by a combined 70 million, and then were forced to trade those contracts for pennies on the dollar. When you vastly overpay your players it takes 5-10 years before everything settles out. Look at the Pistons now, their past, present, and future are a lot like Sac's. Also, Tyreke Evans reminds me alot of Rodney stuckey. The kings actually have some pieces to turn this thing around whereas the Pistons will suck for the next 5 years.

The thing to remember is that when you overpay your players you can't sign free agents and then the team sucks for 4-6 years. Sacramento is in year 5 of that sucking period.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#33 » by Dustin5566 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:17 am

Travis_Night wrote:The Magoofs overpaid Cwebb and Bibby by a combined 70 million, and then were forced to trade those contracts for pennies on the dollar. When you vastly overpay your players it takes 5-10 years before everything settles out. Look at the Pistons now, their past, present, and future are a lot like Sac's. Also, Tyreke Evans reminds me alot of Rodney stuckey. The kings actually have some pieces to turn this thing around whereas the Pistons will suck for the next 5 years.

The thing to remember is that when you overpay your players you can't sign free agents and then the team sucks for 4-6 years. Sacramento is in year 5 of that sucking period.


Soooo what would you have offered C-Webb? MLE? Hindsight is 20-20 move on.
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Re: Here's why this team isn't doing so well! 

Post#34 » by dozencousins » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:22 am

The main reason why this team isn't doing to well is 1 answer & 1 answer only !

='s Paul Westpaul !

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