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Re: "What happened to the tyreke Evans bandwagon?" 

Post#21 » by Wolfay » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:27 pm

Why do you keep on speaking like as if Martin would savior to the team? And why do you sound so pissed off? It's like Kevin Martin is a religion around here...

Again, you completely ignore the cap space, and the fact that we traded away one of the worst defenders this franchise has ever seen, and that's in addition to the fact that he doesn't fit with Tyreke. And :lol: at this part-

SacTownKings4Life wrote:And since you mentioned Martin driving the lane and getting to the line...
If Martin DOES drive the lane and get to the line in that 4th quarter (instead of Tyreke and Cousins forcing garbage into the lane, resulting in multiple bad shots and repeated turnovers) WE WIN THAT GAME. Point blank, end of discussion. And another thing - who on this team can shoot a free throw as well as Martin?


When does Martin ever get that call in the 4th? Have you forgotten the dozens of times where Martin would try to draw contact only to have the refs swallow their whistle and us fans sinking further into depression from another loss?
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Re: "What happened to the tyreke Evans bandwagon?" 

Post#22 » by ICMTM » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:12 pm

Kevin Martin plays for the Rockets....
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Re: "What happened to the tyreke Evans bandwagon?" 

Post#23 » by SacTownKings4Life » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:06 am

Wolfay wrote:Why do you keep on speaking like as if Martin would savior to the team? And why do you sound so pissed off? It's like Kevin Martin is a religion around here...

Again, you completely ignore the cap space, and the fact that we traded away one of the worst defenders this franchise has ever seen, and that's in addition to the fact that he doesn't fit with Tyreke.


I swear, you exaggerate so much when trying to prove a point it's ridiculous...
Let me speak slower so that maybe you can understand what it is I'm saying.
We. Traded. The. Only. Player. On. This. Team. That. Could. Shoot. Worth. A. Damn. (field goals or free throws)
Now. Surprise. Surprise. We. Have. Nobody. Who. Can. Shoot. And. Stretch. The. Opposing. Defense.
Teams. Collapse. In. The. Paint. And. Force. Turnovers. Now.

So what exactly are we going to do with all this new found cap space? Do you seriously think anybody relevant is going to WILLINGLY sign here after this debacle of a season? All we can do is resign the guys we already have (although Landry and Dalambert are as good as gone) and let the rest of the money rot away somewhere, cause it's NOT gonna be spent.

Ok, that's fine. But who on this team DOES play defense? The drive thru lane is open 24/7.

It's not a fact. 20 games in the middle of an already terrible season does not, beyond the shadow of a doubt, prove facts. You need a whole season to prove facts. Or at LEAST half.

Wolfay wrote: And :lol: at this part-
SacTownKings4Life wrote:And since you mentioned Martin driving the lane and getting to the line...
If Martin DOES drive the lane and get to the line in that 4th quarter (instead of Tyreke and Cousins forcing garbage into the lane, resulting in multiple bad shots and repeated turnovers) WE WIN THAT GAME. Point blank, end of discussion. And another thing - who on this team can shoot a free throw as well as Martin?


When does Martin ever get that call in the 4th? Have you forgotten the dozens of times where Martin would try to draw contact only to have the refs swallow their whistle and us fans sinking further into depression from another loss?


Hmm. Maybe it was just a Sacramento thing. You know sucky teams never get calls anyway. Cause I was just watching the Rockets game last night, and Martin was getting calls late in the 4th quarter, and actually put the game away from the line... Sure wish somebody on THIS team would learn how to put a game away. :lol: at that part...
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Re: "What happened to the tyreke Evans bandwagon?" 

Post#24 » by Wolfay » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:49 am

What am I exaggerating exactly? The only exaggeration going on is from you. He's not the savior you're looking for.

ICMTM brings up a good point. Martin is no longer here. He will never be here again, so quit bringing up his name. It's laughable how people keep bringing up his name. Why don't people bring up Artest anymore? That was guy who actually did help this team win!
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Post#25 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:15 am

Martin is apparently either the best thing since slice bread or he's crap on a stick.

Why are we talking about him/replying to people talking about him?
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Post#26 » by aznkillabeezZz » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:46 am

SactownKings4life has a point. Martin has been our closer lately, even in the 4th quarter. He's had 34 40, 28 point games this week. We won 7 of last 9 games. Kmart made an impact on all the games, even in the 4th quarter. He has improved on Defense as well. He uses his speed well although he's not the best defender, he was still decent at D lately.
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Post#27 » by twoolfork1 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:24 am

Its easy to second guess the Martin for Landry trade at this point. . . I'm sure if Petrie had known we had Cousins, Dalembert and Jackson coming our way the need for an inside wouldn't have been as great in the long term and we maybe would have kept Martin around longer. I was all for it at the time but I certainly think having Martin on this team now would help a hell of a lot more than Landry despite his defense
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Re: "What happened to the tyreke Evans bandwagon?" 

Post#28 » by SacKingsPejaFan » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:28 am

Martin can't shoot? Do people not understand numbers? 2.3 threes per game at 44%. 6.7 FG's per game at 45%. Notice I am not talking about free throws.

Pick your favorite King and compare. Donte Greene? 30.9% from three, and how many does he take per game? More than 3. He's also 38.8% from the field. Tyreke Evans? 26.5% from three, and how many does he take? 2.7 per game. And he's 37.6% from the field.

Face it. The Kings roster sucks. Nobody can shoot. Sure they sucked with Martin, but now they suck even more without him. Would he save the team? No. Nobody is saying that. At least I'm not.

The Martin fan club is only responding to cries for a shooter by saying, hey we had a shooter but our owners/GM traded him before giving him and Tyreke a chance to mesh. There is no "fact" that they can't work together---they barely played more than 10 games together because Martin was injured. I guess you thought it was a "fact" that the Heat couldn't play together when they started 8-7: that's more games than Evans/Martin got.

And before the whining recommences about why are we talking about Martin: Any Martin talk is veiled disrespect---perhaps deserved disrespect---to Petrie and the Maloofs. They've assembled an appallingly imbalanced roster of people who cannot shoot the basketball. Nobody is dwelling on a guy who plays for the Rockets because he's who we want to talk about--We are addressing our roster's lack of shooters and our GM/owners' knee jerk and under-thought moves than brought this team to the bottom of the league.

Defense does not win games when you can't turn stops into points. We get stops, sure. But then we go to our guys who shoot 30% or worse from the field and the stops become 100% meaningless. Hell, our bricks are so bad our stops end up turning into fast breaks for the other team.
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Post#29 » by Travis_Night » Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:37 am

Kings fans have always been bandwagon fans. Remember the 2000-2003 days?
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Post#30 » by SacTownKings4Life » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:42 pm

SacKingsPejaFan wrote:The Martin fan club is only responding to cries for a shooter by saying, hey we had a shooter but our owners/GM traded him before giving him and Tyreke a chance to mesh. There is no "fact" that they can't work together---they barely played more than 10 games together because Martin was injured. I guess you thought it was a "fact" that the Heat couldn't play together when they started 8-7: that's more games than Evans/Martin got.

And before the whining recommences about why are we talking about Martin: Any Martin talk is veiled disrespect---perhaps deserved disrespect---to Petrie and the Maloofs. They've assembled an appallingly imbalanced roster of people who cannot shoot the basketball. Nobody is dwelling on a guy who plays for the Rockets because he's who we want to talk about--We are addressing our roster's lack of shooters and our GM/owners' knee jerk and under-thought moves than brought this team to the bottom of the league.

Defense does not win games when you can't turn stops into points. We get stops, sure. But then we go to our guys who shoot 30% or worse from the field and the stops become 100% meaningless. Hell, our bricks are so bad our stops end up turning into fast breaks for the other team.


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I wouldn't call myself a "fan club member" as you put it, but I am just calling the game how I see it. It's just, certain people around here act as if I'm speaking the name Voldemort or something (A.K.A. He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named) when mentioning KevinDeMart.

The whole entire point that I've was trying to make last season was that we need more than a handful of games to evaluate Martin's role in the offense and with the team. He came back in the middle of the season, and on our longest road trip of the season at that. We needed more time. Was that really so much to ask? Why is that an exaggeration? We needed more time. Plain and simple. If he had played the remainder of last season, HAD A FULL TRAINING CAMP WITH EVANS, and the team had still started this season 5-22, THEN you can see about trading him. I wouldn't even say anything. What exactly did we have to lose? Our PLAYOFF postion??? (PLAYOFFS?!?) So far, in the same amount of games that Martin played last year, nobody this year has proved that they "fit" together either. So if you followed that same logic this year, everybody on the team right now should fall into the same category as Martin last year, and therefore the whole team should be traded. Does this make any sense? Obviously not. You get what I'm saying?

The whole entire point that I'm trying to make this season is that BECAUSE we gave up so quickly (under the pressure of the angry cowtown mob, armed with pitckforks and torches) and signed off the a knee-jerk trade, we now have NOBODY on this team who can either shoot, make free throws down the stretch, or even score with consistency. How many times has this team even cracked the 100 point mark? We had no plan. Let's just trade this one guy, and all our problems will be solved. THAT was the extent of our plan. And it failed miserably. If you ARE going to trade one of your two best players, you better damn well know what the F you're doing. Landry is going to walk after the season if he's not traded first. same goes for Dalambert. They're not coming back. Period. No big name free agent is going to come within 100 miles of Sacramento after watching them this season. You can't even use the "to play with Tyreke Evans" card anymore. So what do we do now? We put ourselves in a position where we have no choice but to make yet ANOTHER trade to get ANOTHER guy who can throw the ball into the ocean. SO we're going in circles. Traded a shooting/scoring wing man for a big man. Big man will not resign and must be traded. Current need is shooting/scoring wing man. Big man must be traded for a shooting/scoring wing man... That, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when you make a knee-jerk move without properly planning in advance. I tried to tell you. PLAN first. I swear nobody ever answered my question as to WHOM we ought to have traded Martin for last year.

We handed the keys to the team over to a guy who could not shoot for anything, traded the one guy on the team who COULD shoot, and failed to bring in anybody else who COULD shoot to spread the floor and also relieve the scoring load... because we expected Tyreke to do it all. Tyreke is getting better, but he's still not "there" yet from distance. And I think the nature of his game combined with the responsibility we thrust upon him, perhaps before he and his body were ready, may well have contributed to his new-found injury problems. He's like 19-20 years old and driving into the trees every play of every game just to keep the team competitive because nobody else is doing anything. It was my suspicion that THAT was a major contributing factor into Martin's injury prone-ness of the past couple years. And now surprise surprise, NOW EVANS is getting hurt every other game doing the same thing Martin had been asked to do (carry the team). Coincidence?
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Re: "What happened to the tyreke Evans bandwagon?" 

Post#31 » by Wolfay » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:20 pm

I'll concede that perhaps we should've given the Evans/Martin duo more time, but that doesn't change my opinion that this team is any worse off now than before, and I actually think we're in a better position. Another thing is that we don't know what happened behind closed doors. Maybe Martin was having issues with Evans, or vice versa. It could be that one or both didn't want it to work, and Petrie had to make a decision. Maybe the Maloofs forced Petrie's hand and didn't want to pay Martin's contract on a team that wasn't ready to compete yet. Who knows.

In the end I know this- Evans was solidified as the franchise guy, and we got significant capspace. I know that the Kings' problems go much deeper than anything Martin can fix, and I also know that the Rockets aren't necessarily better from the trade, so out goes the idea that Martin can magically make any team better.
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Post#32 » by SacTownKings4Life » Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:00 am

And that's all I've been saying this whole time. It needed more time.

I'm not proclaiming that Martin ALONE would fix the problem we have right now, but I do believe that he would HELP with his shooting. If you have Martin with perhaps a Casspi on the wings, guys can't just collapse all day because they have to respect the shooters. Martin can get to the line and actually MAKE a free throw. How many games have we lost that we might have been in a better chance to win had we made free throws?

So it starts over again. We need to bring in a guy(s) who can shoot the ball and perhaps shoot 80-85% from the line. The Magic have a surplus of guards now. I wonder if a JJ Reddick could be had? They need size, right?
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Post#33 » by MilBucksBackOnTop06 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:24 am

Lightning Strike wrote:I'm still right here, proudly wearing my #13 jersey.

I fully expect him to get over this, work on his faults, and be winning back fans - in spades - over the next year.

He is not going to "get over it" until he like our Brandon Jennnings works on their game and make some adjustments. You push him left and make him shoot jumpers and crowd the middle and block the lanes and Tyreke is done.
That is not Coach Westphal's problem that is Evans problem. Last year the league did not know him and everyone thought he was going to the hall of fame.
But the league and being a Pro is a process that he and Cousins don't understand until they go through it and did not have to go through when they skipped out on college to come to the NBA. Tyreke is two years from high school. Both of them are!
But it is the pefect case of the NBA allowing young cats to come into the league through the draft lotto who do not know how to make adjustments to their game and and the NBA game nor to manage their time, bodies, minds and attiudes get proper rest, diet and reps, alter their lifstyle and learn a routine of being responsible and on time, and ready to work hard that they could have learned with 3 years or more in college.
Now the NBA (N o B abies A llowed) has to waste time and teach them, and all of a sudden it is the coaches fault? Teams use a high pick on them and have unreasonable expectations that since all of these are a lottery picks that they are all just Superman because Lebron James and Dwight Howard
were.
But it's a process. These are kids...two years from AAU ball, coddling, and poor instruction and poor coaching for the most part. They have a handle on Tyreke now as they do for the entire team. We (Bucks) saw that with Jennings. We are playing better without him now...in some respects.
Teams hand over the franchise and give the keys to Tyreke and Jennings and now grown men have jobs on the line to stop them. This is not high school. This is the Pro's. This is business! That is a big time adjustment my friends...Evans is stumbling as is our guy.
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