ESPN: Marc Stein Reporting Landry for Thornton + Anderson

[Kingsforlife]

join me now on marcus thornton bandwagon

lol awesome

[SacKingZZZ]

Well, some around here wanted OJ Mayo and Thornton is very much in that same mold perhaps.

[408Kings]

Well, some around here wanted OJ Mayo and Thornton is very much in that same mold perhaps.

I really wanted OJ Mayo simply because he's a slightly better team player and he's just a bigger gaurd.

I still am not sure how Thornton will fit on this team when Tyreke comes back. It seems like we'll be in the same boat as when we still had K-Mart (except for the fact that K-Mart is very consistent in being in the top efficient scorers in the league). Tyreke AND Thornton are almost cut from the same mold, as in they need the ball in their hands to be at their best.

Yes, Thornton had a GREAT GREAT game yesterday, but I can't make a complete judgment til we give it more time. Wish we gave K-Mart and Reke time to see if they could gel.

Good read:
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... -of-kings/

[SacKingZZZ]

I really wanted OJ Mayo simply because he's a slightly better team player and he's just a bigger gaurd.

I still am not sure how Thornton will fit on this team when Tyreke comes back. It seems like we'll be in the same boat as when we still had K-Mart (except for the fact that K-Mart is very consistent in being in the top efficient scorers in the league). Tyreke AND Thornton are almost cut from the same mold, as in they need the ball in their hands to be at their best.

Yes, Thornton had a GREAT GREAT game yesterday, but I can't make a complete judgment til we give it more time. Wish we gave K-Mart and Reke time to see if they could gel.

Good read:
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... -of-kings/

Not really though, Thornton is the type that people have been calling for in a player to put next to Reke because he can shoot and handle the rock. Like a smaller, but stronger Kevin Martin really. How well he can fill that role is anybody's guess until we see them together. On paper it works, but as we've seen time and time during this rebuild, paper ain't everything.

One thing I really liked in that Clippers game is that when they had Mo Williams on Marcus, Marcus just backed him down like a midget and abused him time and time again. I want somebody next to Reke that will make that other team struggle on finding an answer defensively. Thornton is physical enough to make teams think twice about their lineups. Who are they going to put their PG on? If Thornton can play defense like he did since he's been here we may indeed have the perfect compliment. Many figured the Kings were going to go after him this summer anyway, hopefully Reke comes back so they can test drive this lineup and see if it does work.

[408Kings]

Like a smaller, but stronger Kevin Martin really. How well he can fill that role is anybody's guess until we see them together. On paper it works, but as we've seen time and time during this rebuild, paper ain't everything.

Then why trade Martin? Just to get rid of his salary? Martin = one of the most efficient scorers in the league.

One thing I really liked in that Clippers game is that when they had Mo Williams on Marcus, Marcus just backed him down like a midget and abused him time and time again. I want somebody next to Reke that will make that other team struggle on finding an answer defensively. Thornton is physical enough to make teams think twice about their lineups. Who are they going to put their PG on?

I really enjoyed watching him manhandle Mo. Couldn't stop him! I do like Thornton's strength, especially playing against smaller PGs, but can he guard SGs? If he can't, that negates some of the advantages of having a PG like Tyreke.

Time will tell though. Just wish we found a true to size SG so that the opposing team wouldn't be able to switch their guards on us, having their 1 guard our 1 and their 2 guard our 2. Then we would truly utilize Reke's size advantage to the full potential, on both ends of the court.

[SacKingZZZ]

Like a smaller, but stronger Kevin Martin really. How well he can fill that role is anybody's guess until we see them together. On paper it works, but as we've seen time and time during this rebuild, paper ain't everything.

Then why trade Martin? Just to get rid of his salary? Martin = one of the most efficient scorers in the league.

One thing I really liked in that Clippers game is that when they had Mo Williams on Marcus, Marcus just backed him down like a midget and abused him time and time again. I want somebody next to Reke that will make that other team struggle on finding an answer defensively. Thornton is physical enough to make teams think twice about their lineups. Who are they going to put their PG on?

I really enjoyed watching him manhandle Mo. Couldn't stop him! I do like Thornton's strength, especially playing against smaller PGs, but can he guard SGs? If he can't, that negates some of the advantages of having a PG like Tyreke.

Time will tell though. Just wish we found a true to size SG so that the opposing team wouldn't be able to switch their guards on us, having their 1 guard our 1 and their 2 guard our 2. Then we would truly utilize Reke's size advantage to the full potential, on both ends of the court.

Trading Martin had a lot to do with salary I'm sure. Thornton also has that other aspect to his game, strength. I think he will have no problem guarding 2's. Now the knock on him is his D so will see if he regresses. I personally want Reke on the other teams SG, he gets lost on screens and with Thornton they might be able to switch everything.

[SacKingsPejaFan]

This "Martin and Evans didn't work" talk needs to end. They had about 20 games together. The Heat started this year at 9-8. Should they have blown it up after that, because "obviously" James, Wade, and Bosh "couldn't" work together? Take into consideration that Evans was a rookie not only adjusting to play with Martin, but adjusting to play in the NBA overall, 20 games is too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions about how Martin and Evans could co-exist.

And you guys are so quick to make canned media-fed arguments without checking your facts--the box scores are public. There are plenty of games where they were both effective at the same time. Sure their record was bad together, but their record was bad when it was just one of them too. The problem was never them, it was the rest of the roster.

My point in all of this isn't to dwell on Martin--the management goofed, end of story. It's to say that it's 100% nonsense to say Tyreke can't co-exist and flourish with a guy like Thornton. It is absurd to say a duo can't work because both "need the ball in their hands to be effective." Nobody has the ball in their hands all 48 minutes. Games are long. People pass. History, funny enough, shows this. "Ball-dominant" duos and even trios have made it work since the NBA began. More than a handful are making it work right now.

If a player can't adjust his game for the betterment of the team, that's not some problem inherent in the concept of having two guys who supposedly "need the ball in their hands to be effective." That's a player ego problem. That's why Iverson is out of the league and never won jack. That's why KG/Pierce and Shaq/Kobe worked, and now how Lebron/Wade/Bosh work. And I don't think we have any ego problems.

[408Kings]

It's to say that it's 100% nonsense to say Tyreke can't co-exist and flourish with a guy like Thornton. It is absurd to say a duo can't work because both "need the ball in their hands to be effective."

No one said they wouldn't be effective, the statement was that due to their style of play and physical attributes, they might not be utilized to their fullest potential when playing together. If you watch Thornton play and read over the scouting reports on the guy, he doesn't turn the ball over because he pretty much shoots it nearly everytime he touches it. They are most effective, not to be confused with ineffective, when they control the rock and make plays off the dribble with their size, quickness, etc.

Nobody has the ball in their hands all 48 minutes. Games are long. People pass.

And THAT's where the problem may lie when Tyreke and Thornton play together. Especially with the way Tyreke's been playing this season, not really looking to teammates as much, except for mostly bail-outs.

Marcus Thornton scouting report:
http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2011/02/2 ... ng-report/

[gold_leader64]

The blueprint of the team as it related to Landry was thrown out this summer. Landry has sucked this year because of the other bigs we've brought on board. We didn't really foresee that, so it's understandable.

This is true too, BUT you can't deny the fact that Petrie wasn't motivated at all to get "better" in this deal. Petrie just buckled to giving Landry a break at the end of the day. This deal only gives us something to chew on. HOPING Marcus pans out due to a change of scenery.

Landry made it clear he wasn't re-signing with the team, therefore GP either had the choice to let him walk (and thus let the team get no compensation), or get the best deal they could. And they got an explosive young scorer who can shoot the rock who they have a better chance at re-signing than Landry who was out the door anyway.