Tyreke On Trade Block

[SparksFly87]

Tyreke for Andre Iguodala

[KF10]

Tyreke for Andre Iguodala

If the Kings are dangling Reke, they should target a PG or PF. I think obtaining a SF would be easy through the draft or FA.

Reke for PG
Draft big through draft
Sign SF via FA

That should be an ideal template for the Kings imo.

[deNIEd]

Tyreke for Andre Iguodala

If the Kings are dangling Reke, they should target a PG or PF. I think obtaining a SF would be easy through the draft or FA.

Reke for PG
Draft big through draft
Sign SF via FA

That should be an ideal template for the Kings imo.

Can you name me 5 potential SF free agents that would be available in general within the next 1-3 years that are quality starting players?

[KF10]

Tyreke for Andre Iguodala

If the Kings are dangling Reke, they should target a PG or PF. I think obtaining a SF would be easy through the draft or FA.

Reke for PG
Draft big through draft
Sign SF via FA

That should be an ideal template for the Kings imo.

Can you name me 5 potential SF free agents that would be available in general within the next 1-3 years that are quality starting players?

Off of my top of my head (not sure about contract situation of player though):

- Batum
- Chandler
- Rush
- Brewer
- Lee (if you think of him as a SF)
- Howard
- Wallace
- Diaw

Obviously Batum & Chandler are the best of the bench that's available this offseason and meet your criteria.

[deNIEd]

Off of my top of my head (not sure about contract situation of player though):

- Batum
- Chandler
- Rush
- Brewer
- Lee (if you think of him as a SF)
- Howard
- Wallace
- Diaw

Obviously Batum & Chandler are the best of the bench that's available this offseason and meet your criteria.

Let's compare that to PG's
-Kirk Hinrich
-DJ Augustin
-Andre Miller
-Goran Dragic
-George Hill
-Mo Williams
-Jameer Nelson

In 2013
-Steph Curry
-Daren Collison
-Jrue Holiday
-Ty Lawson
-Brandon Jennings
-Devin Harris
-Jose Calderon
-Jeff Teague
-Jarrett Jack
-Toney Douglas

Sooo...would trading for a PG (say Rondo) and signing a SF yield the better result, or trading for a SF (say Iggy) and signing a PG yield the better result?

[KF10]

Hmm. I think Rondo is better than anyone listed for the next several years (Curry, Holiday are the closest). If the Celts entertained a Rondo-for-Reke trade, I think we have to take it.

Then, we can either choose a SF through FA (or draft). Although, I lean towards FA because bigs are a premium these days (and they are not that great in quality). So, I look for a SF in the FA and a PF via draft.

Can you imagine:

Rondo
Thornton
Batum
Lotto Big
Cousins

That would be amazing.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

We are the youngest team in the NBA without anyone on our offense that has a constant history to take pressure off of our young guys. Evans has been willing to do whatever the team has asked, he has had 2 healthy years in the NBA. I know he is willing to get better, we just have to be patent. Its time to spend some money to bring in vets that arn't just role players. Evans has always showed his desire to improve his game, we just have to give it some time.

[KF10]

We are the youngest team in the NBA without anyone on our offense that has a constant history to take pressure off of our young guys. Evans has been willing to do whatever the team has asked, he has had 2 healthy years in the NBA. I know he is willing to get better, we just have to be patent. Its time to spend some money to bring in vets that arn't just role players. Evans has always showed his desire to improve his game, we just have to give it some time.

I agree.

Personally, I hold onto Reke. But if the Celts offered Rondo for Reke, I have to stop and think HARD about it. Rondo is the type of player that can really propel this team into playoff contention (assuming we make other moves too). Reke on the other hand, he's only 22 and upside is still in his side while Rondo is pretty much what he is. If everything turns out well Reke > Rondo in the next couple of years. But that's a big if though. I really want to see what Reke can do under a full year of Smart, a good offseason, training camp etc etc. If he develops some sort of mid range game, he's an ALL star. So keeping Reke would be wise BUT if he only MARGINALLY improves, keeping Reke would be a mistake.

[longfellow44]

This is the deal i make if philly is interested.

Tyreke and hickson
For
Turner and holiday

I think it would be a pretty nice move for both teams. chilly adds an athletic finishes in hickson and gets Tyreke at the 2 guard spot with Lou Williams starting and igoudala starting at sf.
Williams
Evans
Igoudala
Brand
Hickson/hawes(injury pending)

Kings get a pg that we liked during the draft that is decent at spreading the floor and is a solid defender. And we get the right to take a chance on turner at sf. He could continue to be bad or he might turn into something.

[Call Me Geoff]

I don't get all this Iguadola talk? The guy's game depends on athleticism and he's staring 30 years old in the face. He makes a lot of money and he too can not shoot. I'd rather take a flier on Batum. Maybe Reke for Batum, Crawford and the Blazers 1st? I'd rather stay younger if dealing Reke.

[longfellow44]

while i agree that igoudala is a poor choice for us. i disagree with the idea of trading Tyreke for batum as the basis for a good trade. batum is ok but he doesn't scream star to me. i see a good role player.

If we really want datum we should consider ttrading Thompson for him and then use our draft pick to replace Thompson and then look to trade Thornton for a point guard. ultimately i think that would be a much better overall plan than trading Evans for a role playing sf even if he would he a great fit.

[VeeJay24]

If Isaiah were lotto pick, would people still be so hesitant to call him starter worthy? I haven't seen a lot reasons why some "aren't sold" on Isaiah, so I assume it's just because he was a 60th pick.

Other than his height, can someone mention a real weakness in his game?

deNIEd brought up Ty Lawson, and I think that's a better comparison for his potential than Bobby Jackson or JJ Barea.

I completely agree.

I don't understand why some people can't see Isaiah as a starter, but can see Jimmer as a starter. Since he's been given playing time, has he provided us any doubts of him not being a quality starter? Have we seen any real flaws in his game or major weaknesses? I guess you could say his height, but look at Lawson...he's been fairly successful.

However, Isaiah would not be a reason I would not pull the trigger on obtaining a star PG such as Rondo.


But with the playing time he's been given, Isaiah has shown more potential of being a quality starting PG than Tyreke or Jimmer.

I agree. Because neither of them is a starting PG in the NBA either. Using them as a basis for comparison is therefore kind of pointless.

Lawson is bigger than Isaiah (enough to make some difference) and has more transcendent speed offensively. He's a one man fast break and a more dynamic playmaker.

I mean really, this has nothing to do with believing in Isaiah over all though. There's nothing wrong with being a supersub. Often the supersub is more important to the teams success than the starter at the position.

If you have Eric Snow and Bobby Jackson as your PGs, you start Eric Snow and bring Bobby Jackson off the bench? Is Bobby the better player there? Of course. Easily. But Snow is more suitable as a starting PG and Bobby is more suited as a sparkplug coming off the bench.

Looking purely at defense since he's been starting, I think we've seen some very clear problems. Stuckey, Irving and Paul all showed where his weaknesses will be. He can play with all the heart he wants. His size is still going to be an issue. Bigger PGs will more often be able to simply shoot over him and outmuscle him. If we're in some kind of 7 game series down the line against a strong PG, we'll be screwed--especially with a Thomas/Thornton/Evans starting wing rotation, because Tyreke has to guard the SF there and Thornton has to guard the SG.

As for offensive fit, it's nice that he has the outside shot, but Isaiah really isn't a pure enough PG for my liking with our group. He's the purest one we've got, but he still takes a lot of very questionable shots and we really, REALLY can't afford yet another guy that does this. Now of course, the alternatives aren't very good right now, and that's why I don't have huge problems with Isaiah starting right now. But he's still not a long term solution there.

And maybe the shot selection will fix itself with age to some extent. The real thing with Isaiah and his future as a supersub is that he just plays like one. He makes high energy plays, timely shots and sometimes takes bad shots. But over all, what he really is as a player is a boost of energy.

I remember when Bibby broke his foot at the beginning of the 02-03 season. B-Jax was moved into the starting 5 and Damon Jones was his backup. The team survived just fine, as great teams do, but they were very clearly missing something. That something wasn't Mike Bibby. It was Bobby Jackson. Bobby played just fine as a starter. Bibbyesque. The problem if the team was in some kind of a rut when he left the game, there was no pickup. The team had an amazing bench that year, but nobody brought energy like Bobby.

Some guys are made to be a sparkplug. It's not a knock on them. It's a testament to what they are. That's, IMO, just plain what Isaiah is.

Well said, Thomas is at his best for the Kings off the bench. Smart said as much when he said that this lineup is temporary. I like Smart because he does things but he explains to the players why he is doing it. He was up front with Reke and told him that this could be temporary if you develop a jumpshot but I also think this was more about getting more production from the SF position because Salmons was just awful. Reke and this coach knows what he has to work on and unless the Kings get blown away by a deal bringing a substantial veteran; not just a temperamental vet on a decline (Odoms), Reke will be afforded the time to make improvements in his jumpshots. I believe he has made mark improvements in his playmaking skills and passing. The team does not need to panic because everyone is so anxious to win; they need to stay the course.

[City of Trees]

Tyreke for Andre Iguodala

If the Kings are dangling Reke, they should target a PG or PF. I think obtaining a SF would be easy through the draft or FA.

Reke for PG
Draft big through draft
Sign SF via FA

That should be an ideal template for the Kings imo.

If we draft in this years top 6 we can easily draft Harrison Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist...

OR we dangle the 3-7 pick + Reke for #1 pick for Daaavis/filler

[Call Me Geoff]

Tyreke for Andre Iguodala

If the Kings are dangling Reke, they should target a PG or PF. I think obtaining a SF would be easy through the draft or FA.

Reke for PG
Draft big through draft
Sign SF via FA

That should be an ideal template for the Kings imo.

If we draft in this years top 6 we can easily draft Harrison Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist...

OR we dangle the 3-7 pick + Reke for #1 pick for Daaavis/filler

Gilchrist is likely going to be a top 4 pick. I don't think we'll "easily" be able to draft him. Harrison Barnes has a lot of holes in his game IMO. I don't like him in the top 8. T Rob and Gilchrist are my favorites not named Anthony Davis.
This Kings team has a ton of growing up to do. I'm not even sure where to start anymore. Hopefully a full training camp helps next year. Can someone tell me how Jimmer doesn't see more time on a last place team that's weakness is shooting?

[boogie-reke]

I'd love me some Jrue Holiday.

[rpa]

This is the deal i make if philly is interested.

Tyreke and hickson
For
Turner and holiday

I think it would be a pretty nice move for both teams. chilly adds an athletic finishes in hickson and gets Tyreke at the 2 guard spot with Lou Williams starting and igoudala starting at sf.
Williams
Evans
Igoudala
Brand
Hickson/hawes(injury pending)

Kings get a pg that we liked during the draft that is decent at spreading the floor and is a solid defender. And we get the right to take a chance on turner at sf. He could continue to be bad or he might turn into something.

Yuck; I hate Turner as a player. He's a marginal role player who can't shoot; don't we already have about 5 of those on the roster?