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Post#81 » by Krle_12 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:48 am

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Dustin5566 wrote:I know i'm part of the minority here, but I was to actually give Jimmer some time. Let him have a SL and a true training camp. I think Jimmer will be alright. He will never be a great defender, but if he gets his confidence back and some better escape dribbling capabilities he will be alright.


Well, you are probably right since they haven' looked to add another guard but we will see since a guy like Bayless wasn't really available until now. Once again, I think you would have to say that the owners have a lot to do with that.

Last thing we need is another guard. We have more than enough already.

Even though we don't have many "true" PGs we have players who can handle the ball under pressure. IT is the obvious PG but then Tyreke will play some minutes there, T-Will is we re-sign him can also handle and create for others and even Salmons can be called upon if needed. That is more than enough ball handling and guard play. If anything, we need to thin that out a bit.
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Post#82 » by pillwenney » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:18 pm

We have a lot of guards, but they fit poorly with each other because they're all shoot-first (T-Will wasn't so much when he was here, but he historically has been) and Tyreke, Isaiah, Salmons and T-Will are all ball-dominant.

It's not an issue of needing more ballhandling. It's an issue of have more guys in there that are approaching the game to get shots for others. We have none of that on the perimeter, and that's part of the reason that our offense is often such a mess, and it's also partly why, I think at least, nobody wants to play here.
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Post#83 » by VeeJay24 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:56 pm

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Dustin5566 wrote:I know i'm part of the minority here, but I was to actually give Jimmer some time. Let him have a SL and a true training camp. I think Jimmer will be alright. He will never be a great defender, but if he gets his confidence back and some better escape dribbling capabilities he will be alright.


Well, you are probably right since they haven' looked to add another guard but we will see since a guy like Bayless wasn't really available until now. Once again, I think you would have to say that the owners have a lot to do with that.

Last thing we need is another guard. We have more than enough already.

Even though we don't have many "true" PGs we have players who can handle the ball under pressure. IT is the obvious PG but then Tyreke will play some minutes there, T-Will is we re-sign him can also handle and create for others and even Salmons can be called upon if needed. That is more than enough ball handling and guard play. If anything, we need to thin that out a bit.


But the object is to get better and Bayless is a better option than Fredette, he is bigger than IT plus he is a better shooter than IT and the best thing is he could play off the ball which means he could play in tandem with any of our guards. So if the price is right I think Bayless should be added.
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Post#84 » by VeeJay24 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:01 pm

pillwenney wrote:We have a lot of guards, but they fit poorly with each other because they're all shoot-first (T-Will wasn't so much when he was here, but he historically has been) and Tyreke, Isaiah, Salmons and T-Will are all ball-dominant.

It's not an issue of needing more ballhandling. It's an issue of have more guys in there that are approaching the game to get shots for others. We have none of that on the perimeter, and that's part of the reason that our offense is often such a mess, and it's also partly why, I think at least, nobody wants to play here.


I understand somewhat; but I think you are blowing this somewhat out of proportion and I think the team improved in this area a great deal last year under a coach they respected and listened to. The only think to do is to see if they have progress even more this year. If they have; I think only a tweak is needed, if not than a major overhaul may be needed.
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Post#85 » by Call Me Geoff » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:17 pm

Really? Bayless has been in the league 4 years now and hasn't done jack. Jimmer got 1 strike shortened season with no camp and a coaching change. KJ, Nash, Mark Price, Gary Payton and many others struggled early in their careers as well. Why people are giving up on Jimmer after part of a season is beyond me. He'll be better this year and I look forward to seeing him progress. I guarantee you when he's right NOBODY on this roster can fill it up like Jimmer.
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Post#86 » by dozencousins » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:37 pm

Well though I hope Tyreke improves bigtime of course I will Bash him & here is why !

Anyone can make the excuse of Reke's injury all they want as far as being a year off . Thats a buch of B.S. Here is why . 1st Plantar Fasciatis mainly comes from either being overweight or havinga severe injury were you get out of shape because of that injury and you can no loger do what you once could so when all of a sudden you over work your body based on its capabilities you then get issues like P.Fasciatis , shin splints , etc. and the 2nd scenerio does not apply to Tyreke.

Tyreke's play or lack there of in terms of what he does , his injuries etc. are his fault and no one else's .
Listen I am as Die Hard of a Kings fan as anyone here but lets face it he has not improved enough as he should have . 1st he typically drives the ball to the hoop wich he can do really well at times but thats about 70% of his gmae and other teams know it ! He has issues where he is up in the air as if he will shot then when he cant shot he tries to pass and thus eithr making bad shot selections or causing turnovers . He has next to no outside shot . His free throw percentage isnt that good for players that mostly play PG, or SG . Granite he should be playing SF but he hasnt been playing that position mostly .

Finally he is a menace driving over 100 MPH causing the police to chase him . Sure that was nearly 2 years ago I believe but it goes to show his recklessness an iratic behavior . I dont want him to be another potential relly good player - star player to be a statistic of death or serious injury ALA Ricky Berry or Bobby Hurley how terrible would that be . I not only fear him ending up hurting himslf or the team now & for possible years to come . I really think we shoud trade him while he has value . He hurts himself agin he will have ZERO value . Additionaly it is more than likely as the tradeline approaches his value will decrease as teams will offer less for him because of their lack of guarantee he would resign . Get value now ! It would be even more of a shame if we for whatever reason pay him max money at the end of the season to keep him only for him to not live up to the contract then we are Royally screwed " no pun intended " Tyreke hurts us far more than he helps us .
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Post#87 » by dozencousins » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:39 pm

dozencousins wrote:Well though I hope Tyreke improves bigtime of course I will Bash him & here is why !

Anyone can make the excuse of Reke's injury all they want as far as being a year off . Thats a buch of B.S. Here is why . 1st Plantar Fasciatis mainly comes from either being overweight or having a severe injury were you get out of shape because of that injury and you can no loger do what you once could so when all of a sudden you over work your body based on its capabilities you then get issues like P.Fasciatis , shin splints , etc. and the 2nd scenerio does not apply to Tyreke.

Tyreke's play or lack there of in terms of what he does , his injuries etc. are his fault and no one else's .
Listen I am as Die Hard of a Kings fan as anyone here but lets face it he has not improved enough as he should have . 1st he typically drives the ball to the hoop wich he can do really well at times but thats about 70% of his gmae and other teams know it ! He has issues where he is up in the air as if he will shot then when he cant shot he tries to pass and thus eithr making bad shot selections or causing turnovers . He has next to no outside shot . His free throw percentage isnt that good for players that mostly play PG, or SG . Granite he should be playing SF but he hasnt been playing that position mostly .

Finally he is a menace driving over 100 MPH causing the police to chase him . Sure that was nearly 2 years ago I believe but it goes to show his recklessness an iratic behavior . I dont want him to be another potential relly good player - star player to be a statistic of death or serious injury ALA Ricky Berry or Bobby Hurley how terrible would that be . I not only fear him ending up hurting himslf or the team now & for possible years to come . I really think we shoud trade him while he has value . He hurts himself agin he will have ZERO value . Additionaly it is more than likely as the tradeline approaches his value will decrease as teams will offer less for him because of their lack of guarantee he would resign . Get value now ! It would be even more of a shame if we for whatever reason pay him max money at the end of the season to keep him only for him to not live up to the contract then we are Royally screwed " no pun intended " Tyreke hurts us far more than he helps us .
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Post#88 » by pillwenney » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:49 pm

VeeJay24 wrote:
pillwenney wrote:We have a lot of guards, but they fit poorly with each other because they're all shoot-first (T-Will wasn't so much when he was here, but he historically has been) and Tyreke, Isaiah, Salmons and T-Will are all ball-dominant.

It's not an issue of needing more ballhandling. It's an issue of have more guys in there that are approaching the game to get shots for others. We have none of that on the perimeter, and that's part of the reason that our offense is often such a mess, and it's also partly why, I think at least, nobody wants to play here.


I understand somewhat; but I think you are blowing this somewhat out of proportion and I think the team improved in this area a great deal last year under a coach they respected and listened to. The only think to do is to see if they have progress even more this year. If they have; I think only a tweak is needed, if not than a major overhaul may be needed.


The team can still b better how it is, but it's never going to really improve that much until there's order and distribution in the offense. There's nothing resembling that now.
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Post#89 » by sacking123 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:35 am

In terms of the guard argument a lot of things will shake themselves out early in the season IMO. Reke, Thornton, IT, Jimmer all have a chance to establish themselves here along with DMC/TRob.
I have to believe that 1 of them, along with someone like Garcia will be dealt for a SF.
Personally I would be on the lookout for a distributor and SF for a package of players including 2 of the guards mentioned and I have to think that Thornton is the only one that is safe ATM.
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