2010 Draft Redo

[joseph mamah]

Im a pistons fan and this isnt a troll thread im just curious if you guys could redo the 2010 draft would you still want to take Cousins over Monroe?

[SacTown Kings]

No doubt about it! While they put up similar numbers and Monroe is more effecient, the talent DMC has is far more than Monroe (not even close IMO). In other words as far as talent goes Monroe has all star type talent, DMC has franchise player type talent that can carry a team.

[joseph mamah]

Yeah if Cousins ever gets his head screwed on the skys the limit for him, I just didnt know if you guys are starting to get tired of his shenanigans. To me it looks like he's constantly on the verge of tears out on the court. Thats got to affect team morale, but ive only watched a few Kings games. I guess Monroe/Cousins is basically a floor/ceiling question.

[SacSanity]

I understand Monroe is a alright player and had some good good games but Cousins is far more talented. Remember than the Pistons play in the East while we have to compete with bigs in the West. Not a single GM in this league would draft Monroe over Cousins.....

[joseph mamah]

Yeah i have no delusions that Monroe is more talented than Cousins. If cuz finds a good shrink he could be the best center in the league imo. I just didnt know if his act was starting to wear thin after a couple years.

[SacTown Kings]

Ever since Smart took over as coach I cannot recall any problems with Cousin's attitude/shenanigens. He plays with a lot of emotion and sometime that gets the best of him, but I don't mind him playing that way at all. He just has to learn to not commit silly fouls that end up taking himself out of the game.

[SmellingColors]

Ever since Smart took over as coach I cannot recall any problems with Cousin's attitude/shenanigens. He plays with a lot of emotion and sometime that gets the best of him, but I don't mind him playing that way at all. He just has to learn to not commit silly fouls that end up taking himself out of the game.

[HotelVitale]

I understand Monroe is a alright player... Not a single GM in this league would draft Monroe over Cousins.....

This is going to be a boring debate if you start with the idea that Monroe is an 'alright player' who has had 'some good games.' Last year, he was 15th in the league in PER and 10th in offensive rating while playing with a lame offensive supporting cast. He can create his own shot in the high post and is a great passer. Kind of plays like Tim Duncan (of course not quite at that level).

He doesn't have the potential that Cousins does but he's already all-star level and doesn't have any of the baggage Cousins does. Would at least some GMs prefer the sure thing 22 year-old over the yet-to-put-it-together 22 year-old?

[Sacramento_King]

I understand Monroe is a alright player... Not a single GM in this league would draft Monroe over Cousins.....

This is going to be a boring debate if you start with the idea that Monroe is an 'alright player' who has had 'some good games.' Last year, he was 15th in the league in PER and 10th in offensive rating while playing with a lame offensive supporting cast. He can create his own shot in the high post and is a great passer. Kind of plays like Tim Duncan (of course not quite at that level).

He doesn't have the potential that Cousins does but he's already all-star level and doesn't have any of the baggage Cousins does. Would at least some GMs prefer the sure thing 22 year-old over the yet-to-put-it-together 22 year-old?

He's definitely a good player and has a nice well rounded game and he actually would have a been a great fit under the old Adelman teams. He has a chance to be a very good player in this league but with that being said, DMC can be a monster. He has more talent and can be awesome offensive players if it clicks. Your quote is kinda telling, Monroe is the sure thing who averaged 16 / 10 last year and Cousins has yet to put it together and averaged 18 / 11. The higher upside is in DMC but he also is more likely to kill someone then Monroe.

[HotelVitale]

Monroe is the sure thing who averaged 16 / 10 last year and Cousins has yet to put it together and averaged 18 / 11. The higher upside is in DMC but he also is more likely to kill someone then Monroe.

But that 18/11 is deceiving, right? DMC also averaged over 4 fouls per game and had a truly awful .499 true shooting percentage. Only had 4 win shares last year, too. I'd guess that's the lowest win share total of any player in the last decade who put up a line like that.

[Sacramento_King]

Monroe is the sure thing who averaged 16 / 10 last year and Cousins has yet to put it together and averaged 18 / 11. The higher upside is in DMC but he also is more likely to kill someone then Monroe.

But that 18/11 is deceiving, right? DMC also averaged over 4 fouls per game and had a truly awful .499 true shooting percentage. Only had 4 win shares last year, too. I'd guess that's the lowest win share total of any player in the last decade who put up a line like that.

I would think as he learns to stop reaching and picking up silly fouls and he starts to put back some of those offensive rebounds both those will be better. You can throw all the stats out that you want and I'd still take DMC over Monroe. It's obvious you'd rather have Monroe or just want to get someone to admit Monroe is better than Cousins and that's cool but I just think DMC has the better future. Both have great futures it seems.

[HotelVitale]

It's obvious you'd rather have Monroe or just want to get someone to admit Monroe is better than Cousins.

Not really, just think it's a more interesting discussion if you give Monroe his due. Cousins' upside is clearly higher but that wasn't the OP's question.

[The Beam King]

Coousins > Monroe and I'm a BIG FAN of Monroe.

[countrybama24]

Favors will top both of them. Two words: help defense.

[PaKwAn]

Favors will top both of them. Two words: help defense.

Thats it???

[crgreen]

Coousins > Monroe and I'm a BIG FAN of Monroe.

Monroes exceptionally low blocks stats really concerns me... 45 and 46 for a team that used to have 6'7 Ben Wallace blocking 250 a season?

[Sparky6string]

I would take Monroe over Cousins at this point, and Favors over both.