OT: Sacramento Media

[benchmobbin02]

You're missing my point. Im not saying coaching with a calm demeanor is a bad trait or anything like that. What I'm saying is George Karl has lost his identity as a head coach at 64 years old and is searching for a new one. Up to this point there is no evidence that suggests Karl will find success as a HC without "Crazy Karl"

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I don't think I was missing your point. I was addressing your point on "team personality and style of coaching". Karl has changed as time has gone on and I believe those changes and growth can benefit this team

Your take on personal growth is Wrong. It's not growth, its compromise with his body. Karl didnt wake up one day and burry Crazy Karl because he felt there was a better approach. I'd bet if Karl was presented with the opportunity to return to old form he'd take it in a heartbeat. Not all things get better with age. For a coach who relied on his voice and high energy to relate to his team, aging can really hurt their impact to relate with the players.

Steve Kerr and Jason Kidd aren't at home watching their teams play because they want a vacation. I know we watch these huge athletes run up and down the court doing amazing things with their physical gifts so it sounds like non sense to some of us when we suggest coaching is physically too harsh for an individual, but it is. Normal people have doctors notes for work with some of the most outrageous requests on limiting physical work....

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Adversity and time provide the opportunity for growth and I believe Karl has. You can disagree. We have already covered that he isn't coaching the exact same way he has in the past. I don't believe that means that he cannot or will not be a successful coach in the future. Most people that are in their 60's and were given the chance to return to their 30-40's would do it. Still doesn't mean he can't be successful. Plenty of examples of people finding even greater success as they grow older.

[City of Trees]

I'm sure Karl has grown from being a cancer survivor and has a different outlook in life.... I'm not saying old people can't succeed in life or anything like that lol.... What I'm saying is we have a good sample size on Karl without Crazy Karl which includes the draft and one full off season and its safe to say there is no successful areas to latch onto for hope. I'm drawing my conclusion that I believe his coaching style changes will keep Karl from returning to winning form with the Kings... Karl may find more success with a better constructed roster where he can just sit back and watch (kind of like he's doing now )

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[benchmobbin02]

There are no successful areas to latch on to...really...Rondo is having a career year under Karl. Omri Casspi is having a career year under Karl and WCS* was looking good under Karl. DMC has added dimensions to his game and Rudy is proving he can play the 4 reasonable well regardless of what other thought when Karl said he would.

*He was picked by Vlade btw who made it clear that it was his pick and not Karl or Viveck or Bratz.

I think a Karl definitely can lead this team to a resurgence and make a run at a playoff spot and I think a coaching change would only be a step backwards for the team and the organization.

[SacKingZZZ]

There are no successful areas to latch on to...really...Rondo is having a career year under Karl. Omri Casspi is having a career year under Karl and WCS* was looking good under Karl. DMC has added dimensions to his game and Rudy is proving he can play the 4 reasonable well regardless of what other thought when Karl said he would.

*He was picked by Vlade btw who made it clear that it was his pick and not Karl or Viveck or Bratz.

I think a Karl definitely can lead this team to a resurgence and make a run at a playoff spot and I think a coaching change would only be a step backwards for the team and the organization.

With or without a change philosophically?How much time then do you give him for results? And what kind of record are you talking about? This team won't survive losing more games than they win. They will break first.

[City of Trees]

There are no successful areas to latch on to...really...Rondo is having a career year under Karl. Omri Casspi is having a career year under Karl and WCS* was looking good under Karl. DMC has added dimensions to his game and Rudy is proving he can play the 4 reasonable well regardless of what other thought when Karl said he would.

Karl does not get credit for WCS's readiness. If anything some this board feel Karl keeps WCS on the bench far too often.

Most on here believe Cousins was a much better player last season. This off season Karl said he would take the gloves off and show his team how he really coaches. Welp, how is Cousins doing now?

Rondo is successful because Karl lets Rondo do what he wants. If you want to chalk that up as a score for Karl then that's sad. Rondo is having a career year because Rondo is talented and doesn't have to listen to Karl call out plays.


Omri played his best ball last year and this year, I have nothing negative to counter with SO I guess you can have one positive storyline resulting from Karl.

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[benchmobbin02]

There are no successful areas to latch on to...really...Rondo is having a career year under Karl. Omri Casspi is having a career year under Karl and WCS* was looking good under Karl. DMC has added dimensions to his game and Rudy is proving he can play the 4 reasonable well regardless of what other thought when Karl said he would.

Karl does not get credit for WCS's readiness. If anything some this board feel Karl keeps WCS on the bench far too often.

Most on here believe Cousins was a much better player last season. This off season Karl said he would take the gloves off and show his team how he really coaches. Welp, how is Cousins doing now?

Rondo is successful because Karl lets Rondo do what he wants. If you want to chalk that up as a score for Karl then that's sad. Rondo is having a career year because Rondo is talented and doesn't have to listen to Karl call out plays.


Omri played his best ball last year and this year, I have nothing negative to counter with SO I guess you can have one positive storyline resulting from Karl.

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Haha okay... of course Karl gets no credit for any of the positives but all of the negatives. Karl and staff HAVE made WCS a better player than he was even in pre draft showing and it showed on the court. Karl HAS help DMC and Rondo.

You taking that stance shows this convo will go nowhere from here on out.

[City of Trees]

Haha okay... of course Karl gets no credit for any of the positives but all of the negatives.

Not true dude I gave you Casspi! You got 1-4... 1-4 hmmm sounds right up Karl's alley now a days

You taking that stance shows this convo will go nowhere from here on out.

I can be objective and will do my best


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[jeffjtk1234]

There are no successful areas to latch on to...really...Rondo is having a career year under Karl. Omri Casspi is having a career year under Karl and WCS* was looking good under Karl. DMC has added dimensions to his game and Rudy is proving he can play the 4 reasonable well regardless of what other thought when Karl said he would.

Karl does not get credit for WCS's readiness. If anything some this board feel Karl keeps WCS on the bench far too often.

Most on here believe Cousins was a much better player last season. This off season Karl said he would take the gloves off and show his team how he really coaches. Welp, how is Cousins doing now?

Rondo is successful because Karl lets Rondo do what he wants. If you want to chalk that up as a score for Karl then that's sad. Rondo is having a career year because Rondo is talented and doesn't have to listen to Karl call out plays.


Omri played his best ball last year and this year, I have nothing negative to counter with SO I guess you can have one positive storyline resulting from Karl.

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Haha okay... of course Karl gets no credit for any of the positives but all of the negatives. Karl and staff HAVE made WCS a better player than he was even in pre draft showing and it showed on the court. Karl HAS help DMC and Rondo.

You taking that stance shows this convo will go nowhere from here on out.

Do you even watch games? DMC has looked pretty bad this year. How has Karl helped him?

Karl's system is not a fit with this roster. And honestly we don't have time to keep losing games. Rondo won't resign here if we keep losing (which honestly im not sure he's the best fit moving forward, he's careless with the ball and the team looks better with collison running point).

WCS is the same player he was pre draft lol. He's a defender and not a scorer. What's changed?

I honestly am not 100% sure you watch the games. We just lost to the damn sixers and the effort and scheme were horrendous. Game in game out the effort is horrible, and the defensive scheme isn't working. They just aren't buying in.

Sometimes, these things just don't work out. He just isn't a fit for this team how it is constructed and the players just aren't buying in. Somethings got to change, and fast.

We don't have a full year to lose to the worst teams in the NBA and continue this negative vibe surrounding the team.

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, if you want to give Karl credit for Casspi then go ahead, but anyone else, yeah, no. Willie is an unknown, it's not like he's had enough games yet or the opportunity to show much of anything. I will say this, for a coach wanting to switch, he certainly didn't take advantage of it with Willie.