We should trade Cousins ASAP

[City of Trees]

If you want draft picks then its best to trade him after the season is over to ensure that #1 pick. Risk there is maybe whoever wins the lotto will choose a cheaper Simmons+assets instead of trading for Cousins


I wouldn't mind trading Cousins for the Greek Freak.

[KF10]

I'm one of the few people that thinks Simmons is a bit overrated in relation to the hype surrounded him. He is much closer to a Odom/Antekounmpo player than a LBJ player. LBJ was a better shooter, scorer, defender, athlete, body frame, etc than Simmons at a younger age (LBJ @ 18 vs Simmons @ 19). The only thing that Simmons comes close to anything related LBJ is his passing instincts. Simmons has an advantage in terms of being ambidextrous with both hands though. LBJ was notoriously right-handed dominant when he was younger.

Simmons has zero outside game -- although he has been teasing us with his jumper recently but as long as the scouting report says Simmons is a non-factor in scoring outside the paint, his game will be predictable once he steps foot in the NBA.

Still, I think his ceiling is pretty darn high if he manages to obtain a jumper though. If so, he reminds me of a Odom/Antekounmpo hybrid. Of course, this is without Odom's vices & Simmons is bit more cleaner with his game and more cerebral than Antekounmpo too.

Would I put Cousins onto the table if it means getting Simmons in return? Assuming that Cousins' stay in Sacramento has come to an end for some reason, I say why not? Might as well rebuild and get the best asset in return (#1 pick -- Simmons). That being said, I expect more than just Simmons and ordinary fillers. Like I said earlier, Cousins is a 27 & 11 player that does a bit of everything -- score, shoot, rebound, pass, defend, draw fouls, etc. The guy still has a decent amount of potential left in his bag. He's 25 years old and still a couple of years away from his prime. So, the Kings should expect more than just Simmons and simple fillers.

[Jkam31]

If you want draft picks then its best to trade him after the season is over to ensure that #1 pick. Risk there is maybe whoever wins the lotto will choose a cheaper Simmons+assets instead of trading for Cousins


I wouldn't mind trading Cousins for the Greek Freak.

Of course it's after the season now way he's traded in a week. I still think he gives us 1 more year with a nba level coach he loves the city and playing with Rondo. I'm sure he trusts Vlade as well.

I'm one of the few people that thinks Simmons is a bit overrated in relation to the hype surrounded him. He is much closer to a Odom/Antekounmpo player than a LBJ player. LBJ was a better shooter, scorer, defender, athlete, body frame, etc than Simmons at a younger age (LBJ @ 18 vs Simmons @ 19). The only thing that Simmons comes close to anything related LBJ is his passing instincts. Simmons has an advantage in terms of being ambidextrous with both hands though. LBJ was notoriously right-handed dominant when he was younger.

Simmons has zero outside game -- although he has been teasing us with his jumper recently but as long as the scouting report says Simmons is a non-factor in scoring outside the paint, his game will be predictable once he steps foot in the NBA.

Still, I think his ceiling is pretty darn high if he manages to obtain a jumper though. If so, he reminds me of a Odom/Antekounmpo hybrid. Of course, this is without Odom's vices & Simmons is bit more cleaner with his game and more cerebral than Antekounmpo too.

Would I put Cousins onto the table if it means getting Simmons in return? Assuming that Cousins' stay in Sacramento has come to an end for some reason, I say why not? Might as well rebuild and get the best asset in return (#1 pick -- Simmons). That being said, I expect more than just Simmons and ordinary fillers. Like I said earlier, Cousins is a 27 & 11 player that does a bit of everything -- score, shoot, rebound, pass, defend, draw fouls, etc. The guy still has a decent amount of potential left in his bag. He's 25 years old and still a couple of years away from his prime. So, the Kings should expect more than just Simmons and simple fillers.

Well Boston fans think nets pick and Olynyk and freaking Rozier would make us blink. And I'm with you Simmons better be attached to Russell if delt. I'd hate to see him in LA but Simmons/Russell is a great package




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[SacKingZZZ]

If the Kings put Cousins on the table, I expect the premium back. The guy is averaging 27 & 11 and has added a 3PT shot to his game. Although, his defense has regressed a bit but we all seen how his actual level of playing defense (for Malone) really is -- very, very good. So, what do we have here? A legitimate C that can score, rebound, pass, defend, draw fouls, face-up, etc. Cousins is the poster boy of a 21st century big. He can do it all. He's only 25 years old and has a couple years in his contract left. The Kings should expect big value for Cousins.

If so, Pretty please trade him to the East... I would hate to see WCS forced to guard Cousins four times a year, or god forbid meet Cuz in the playoffs . yikes

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Well, hate it worse when he goes to a team that isn't an island unto himself and they start winning. And winning big.

[deeps6x]

To me Beal plays really good this year.One could even argue that Wizards are starting to be more like a Beal's team instead of Wall's team this season.And WCS is center not a power forward.Having Cousins-WCS or Koufos-Cousins in the court is one of the main reasons of our stupid spacing where Cousins plays behind the 3 pts line and our 3 pts defence.
But I would agree on WCS-Cousins can be potentially a really good duo later if WCS can improve his shot(at least starts to make mid range shots in a real game like he does in the training)and if we could convince Cousins to play inside they would be legitimate in offence.Also in defence WCS needs to learn what he should do in which situations.He is a very good 1 v 1 defender but he does not have good habits for a good team defence.But he is still young and he can learn/improve all of these if he works hard enough.He has the potential.But right now I think any duo of DMC-WCS-Koufos in the court at the same time hurts both our offence and defence most of the time.Spacing is really a big issue

Raps fan here with a proposal. Some comments first. Beal's numbers this season suck, and he is always getting hurt. I love the kid when healthy, but I don't know if I can justify maxing him when he has so many problems. This is the only reason the Wiz consider shopping him. Same concerns. Gortat is old. Do ya really want him?

Cousins obviously wants to be a PF, not a C. WCS will be a great C, but isn't there yet. 3 years away? The Kings could have 2 great years of Cousins in his prime and WCS in his prime down the road. Finals contenders? Possibly if the other parts come together. If I'm a Kings fan, I'm leaning towards keeping Cousins and crossing my fingers. But if y'all are really intent on trading Cousins while his value is high... try this out:


Cousins & Casspi ($17.5M in salary), for the 2016 Knicks/Nuggets pick (likely #8-10), Raptors 2016 pick, Clippers 2017 pick, Ross, Patterson and Johnson. Ross just signed long term. Think Casspi with great D. We fixed Patterson for ya. Great D and can shoot the 3, like Ross can. James Johnson, a great team guy, PF, but lets be clear, mostly salary filler in this deal. Knicks pick could be Murray, Hield or Skal. All great future players. And a couple extra firsts for sweetener.

Or if you prefer, JV, Johnson, the Raptors and Clippers firsts for Cousins alone. Personally I'd pick the first option, the young rebuild option. Then I'd tell you to trade Gay and tank hard. It is pretty clear now that you've missed the playoffs again - don't you agree? I mean it is possible, but you are so far back now... Portland is up 5 full games, 8-2 in it's last 10 and the Kings are 2-8 in the last 10. Very little chance of the playoffs this season. If there was ever a better time to blow it up than now, while Cousins value is high (and declining as his contract comes off going forward)... this is it.


But like I said, I'd hang onto him and hope for future synergy with WCS when he bulks up.

Food for thought.

For comparison,

How many firsts were needed to land Harden? I'll tell ya. 3 firsts (Lamb #12 2014, Adams #12, 2013, and Mitch McGary #21 2014), a 2nd round pick (Alex Abrines) and Martin('s salary for filler), plus they had three other meh players (Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward) sent to Houston along with Harden. At least Houston knew they would have Harden locked up for 4 seasons, minimum. Cousins is down to 2 full plus a playoffs this season. (less value)

BTW, technically, first option above is 6 firsts for Cousins and Casspi (also both firsts).

[Kings2013]

To me Beal plays really good this year.One could even argue that Wizards are starting to be more like a Beal's team instead of Wall's team this season.And WCS is center not a power forward.Having Cousins-WCS or Koufos-Cousins in the court is one of the main reasons of our stupid spacing where Cousins plays behind the 3 pts line and our 3 pts defence.
But I would agree on WCS-Cousins can be potentially a really good duo later if WCS can improve his shot(at least starts to make mid range shots in a real game like he does in the training)and if we could convince Cousins to play inside they would be legitimate in offence.Also in defence WCS needs to learn what he should do in which situations.He is a very good 1 v 1 defender but he does not have good habits for a good team defence.But he is still young and he can learn/improve all of these if he works hard enough.He has the potential.But right now I think any duo of DMC-WCS-Koufos in the court at the same time hurts both our offence and defence most of the time.Spacing is really a big issue

Raps fan here with a proposal. Some comments first. Beal's numbers this season suck, and he is always getting hurt. I love the kid when healthy, but I don't know if I can justify maxing him when he has so many problems. This is the only reason the Wiz consider shopping him. Same concerns. Gortat is old. Do ya really want him?

Cousins obviously wants to be a PF, not a C. WCS will be a great C, but isn't there yet. 3 years away? The Kings could have 2 great years of Cousins in his prime and WCS in his prime down the road. Finals contenders? Possibly if the other parts come together. If I'm a Kings fan, I'm leaning towards keeping Cousins and crossing my fingers. But if y'all are really intent on trading Cousins while his value is high... try this out:


Cousins & Casspi ($17.5M in salary), for the 2016 Knicks/Nuggets pick (likely #8-10), Raptors 2016 pick, Clippers 2017 pick, Ross, Patterson and Johnson. Ross just signed long term. Think Casspi with great D. We fixed Patterson for ya. Great D and can shoot the 3, like Ross can. James Johnson, a great team guy, PF, but lets be clear, mostly salary filler in this deal. Knicks pick could be Murray, Hield or Skal. All great future players. And a couple extra firsts for sweetener.

Or if you prefer, JV, Johnson, the Raptors and Clippers firsts for Cousins alone. Personally I'd pick the first option, the young rebuild option. Then I'd tell you to trade Gay and tank hard. It is pretty clear now that you've missed the playoffs again - don't you agree? I mean it is possible, but you are so far back now... Portland is up 5 full games, 8-2 in it's last 10 and the Kings are 2-8 in the last 10. Very little chance of the playoffs this season. If there was ever a better time to blow it up than now, while Cousins value is high (and declining as his contract comes off going forward)... this is it.


But like I said, I'd hang onto him and hope for future synergy with WCS when he bulks up.

Food for thought.

For comparison,

How many firsts were needed to land Harden? I'll tell ya. 3 firsts (Lamb #12 2014, Adams #12, 2013, and Mitch McGary #21 2014), a 2nd round pick (Alex Abrines) and Martin('s salary for filler), plus they had three other meh players (Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward) sent to Houston along with Harden. At least Houston knew they would have Harden locked up for 4 seasons, minimum. Cousins is down to 2 full plus a playoffs this season. (less value)

BTW, technically, first option above is 6 firsts for Cousins and Casspi (also both firsts).

"Think Casspi with great D". Statistically Casspi is the better defender than Ross. Not to sidetrack, I just don't like the notion going around that Omri can't d

[deeps6x]

Fair enough. I've hardly watched him this season. Also, fwiw, anyone looking at Ross' stats to get a feel for the kid won't have a clue that he was total hot trash in November and December, but has been on fire in 2016. He's been a big part of the team winning 14 of the past 16.

I still say keep Cousins, but if you have a reason to trade him, the Raptors are probably interested.

[Ponchos]

Fair enough. I've hardly watched him this season. Also, fwiw, anyone looking at Ross' stats to get a feel for the kid won't have a clue that he was total hot trash in November and December, but has been on fire in 2016. He's been a big part of the team winning 14 of the past 16.

I still say keep Cousins, but if you have a reason to trade him, the Raptors are probably interested.

I think Sac would be able to get quite a bit more than a late-lotto pick and garbage for Cousins.

[gom]

I didn't find a good place to post this, but I didn't want to start a new topic on a forum that I don't frequent all that much. Anyway, I just wanted to share this tweet from Isaiah Thomas:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Isaiah_Thomas/status/699203897944977408[/tweet]

It shows what great bonds are built between Kings teammates. Cuz must be a fine fellow to play with!

[theman]

Could Danny Ainge pry Cousins from Sacramento for say David Lee (expiring), Terry Rozier (Rondo Replacement) and boston's 2017 first? That '17 can be swapped for Brooklyn's pick (high lottery)

[Kings2013]

Could Danny Ainge pry Cousins from Sacramento for say David Lee (expiring), Terry Rozier (Rondo Replacement) and boston's 2017 first? That '17 can be swapped for Brooklyn's pick (high lottery)

No. Ridiculous offer and Cousins is going nowhere. Thanks for the thread bump

[Jkam31]

Could Danny Ainge pry Cousins from Sacramento for say David Lee (expiring), Terry Rozier (Rondo Replacement) and boston's 2017 first? That '17 can be swapped for Brooklyn's pick (high lottery)

Seems fair! That Rozier guy is getting buckets for you guys isn't he.


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[City of Trees]

Could Danny Ainge pry Cousins from Sacramento for say David Lee (expiring), Terry Rozier (Rondo Replacement) and boston's 2017 first? That '17 can be swapped for Brooklyn's pick (high lottery)

IMO not even close

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[Jkam31]

Celtic fans think that nets pick is gold. Wait till the lottery and if it's not top 3 there goes that overrated pick.


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[KF10]

Could Danny Ainge pry Cousins from Sacramento for say David Lee (expiring), Terry Rozier (Rondo Replacement) and boston's 2017 first? That '17 can be swapped for Brooklyn's pick (high lottery)

How can you say this with a straight face?

Lee is rumored to be waived if he is not traded by the deadline and many teams have considered his value at zero already. He doesn't bring anything of value on the court anymore. He is simply there to match up salaries. THAT'S IT. And what now? You really think Rozier and a pick from next year's draft is enough??

This has to be one of the more terribad offers for Cousins I've seen on this site.

At a minimum, I expect to see Smart, Bradley, KO and all of your 2016 picks. If you can't meet this criteria, the Kings are content on keeping Cousins.